logannye wrote:
Hi, I did a TF shoot and then the photographer tried to charge $5 a photo and is holding them hostage on Shutterfly. He says his policy is to not release unedited photos and he won't edit for free. It will be a chilly day in you-know-where when he gets a dime from me. Is this common practice on here? 'Cause I have half a mind to delete my profile. I know I need more photos, but TF is TF. Let me know your thoughts.

You've illustrated a common problem for both models and photographers - poor communication before the shoot.

Things should be spelled out beforehand, what each party expects to receive, etc., before the session commences. Best of luck in the future.

I don't mean this as a critique of your profile, but the way your bio reads, it will be a cold day in 'you-know-where' when you get professional, respectful photographers willing to deal with your demands. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the whole thing is an instant turn-off for me.

IMHO

salvatori. wrote:
I don't mean this as a critique of your profile, but the way your bio reads, it will be a cold day in 'you-know-where' when you get professional, respectful photographers willing to deal with your demands. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the whole thing is an instant turn-off for me.

IMHO

Sure smells like an unsolicited critique to me.  Worse are the folks who followed up on this, quoting her bio.  IMHO.

Mike - Beatnik 13 Photography wrote:
Seems to me like you have  done a shoot with a photographer who is a bit on the wrong side of honest and upfront.
For me a TF is a TF - and you showed and were photographed and are therefore are deserving of images - and to give a line about not doing edits for free is crap.
What did the photographer think?  You were posing just because it was such a fine experience to be in his presence?
Sorry. The models I do TF with always get their images and they get them promptly.
And frankly i don't really think it is a problem with poor communication. It was a TF shoot.  Just to add, it is my policy not to release unedited images as well. I had one model recently request them. Not happening.  But you are entitled to at least the agreed number of images.

This.  And even if the photographer doesn't want to do edits for free, is he not editing some of the photos for his own use and he could send you those with no extra work on his part.

Looknsee Photography wrote:

Sure smells like an unsolicited critique to me.  Worse are the folks who followed up on this, quoting her bio.  IMHO.

So report me, for fuck's sake.

I see nothing wrong with a constructively critical reaction to something in a newbie's profile that has a direct connection to her rant.

Of course, I'm sure you don't see my original reply as constructive, so carry on.

O_o

logannye wrote:
Hi, I did a TF shoot and then the photographer tried to charge $5 a photo and is holding them hostage on Shutterfly. He says his policy is to not release unedited photos and he won't edit for free. It will be a chilly day in you-know-where when he gets a dime from me. Is this common practice on here? 'Cause I have half a mind to delete my profile. I know I need more photos, but TF is TF. Let me know your thoughts.

You are correct, TF is TF...

What he is doing is bait and switch and he's a prick for doing this!

It's like you are being promised a super cool tablet as a gift for free from a company... but... this tablet can only be charged with a totally customized power-cord... which you have to buy for $499...

However, let's say the deal was TF and you get 5 edited images as part of it, but each additional image would be $5... that would be another story, but giving you not one single edited photo and charging you is serious douchebagery!

logannye wrote:
the photographer tried to charge $5 a photo and is holding them hostage on Shutterfly.

Please expand on this.

KungPaoChic wrote:
I believe there are three sides to every story and I have no idea what your agreement was but if he changed the terms than that is shady. However after reading your bio I am not certain that you are easy to work with either.

A model responded to my recent casting call that had a bio that's absolutely TOXIC.
Her response was short and sweet, but the bio absolutely scared me off to the point where it took me about a month to reply.

I told the model that I couldn't meet any of the demands and conditions spelled out in her bio. She waived all of the demands.  Reluctantly I accepted but the session never happened.  When attempting to discuss basic details of the shoot each of her responses were limited to a few monosyllabic words.  I'd give a few different ideas and the replies I'd get were 'that sound good' or 'i like that'.  It was like a game of '20 Questions'.

She must think that replies cost a buck a word, because her replies were extremely limited and pointless, and it got to a point that she ended up talking about a different gig that I was involved with, but wasn't mine.  I ended the conversation without a word because the model was too confused as to what she was talking about... simply because her communications skills were horrible to say the least, and the bio was the first major clue to it.

Laura BrokenDoll wrote:
I fail to see how could be just a lack of communication

OP says the photographer wants to be paid to edit the pictures - but at the same time, he's not willing to let her have the unprocessed file. Basically, if she wants her pictures she needs to pay. And this is not how a TF* works.

No one really knows what was said or agreed upon because we weren't there.

KungPaoChic wrote:

No one really knows what was said or agreed upon because we weren't there.

... and it is very likely the OP left out some pertinent information.

Maybe there weren't any good images from the shoot and "holding the pics hostage" is the photographer's way of brushing her off (?) There could be a bunch of reasons, but we need to know more about what actually happened.

Part-time model and actress. Only paid gigs unless I contact you. If you "never pay models," please don't contact me. More photos on the way, but I will not be using this website for TFs. Thanks for understanding.

Paid? Never going to happen. And exactly what are you "charging" for?
http://www.newmodels.com/TFP.html
http://www.newmodels.com/height.html
http://www.newmodels.com/TFPlace.html

jf

logannye wrote:
Hi, I did a TF shoot and then the photographer tried to charge $5 a photo and is holding them hostage on Shutterfly. He says his policy is to not release unedited photos and he won't edit for free. It will be a chilly day in you-know-where when he gets a dime from me. Is this common practice on here? 'Cause I have half a mind to delete my profile. I know I need more photos, but TF is TF. Let me know your thoughts.

If the photographer has given you nothing at all and is wanting $5 per photo, you are entitled to feel wronged, and, in answer to your question about common practice, it is so uncommon that I have never heard of a similar case before.

If the photographer is on MM, you should contact a moderator for advice.

If you have received an agreed number of photos and the photographer is asking for an editing fee for additional photos, the photographer's position may be defensible.

As your portfolio is still rudimentary, you could post casting calls and availability notices on MM to try to expand it.

salvatori. wrote:

So report me, for fuck's sake.

I see nothing wrong with a constructively critical reaction to something in a newbie's profile that has a direct connection to her rant.

Of course, I'm sure you don't see my original reply as constructive, so carry on.

O_o

I don't think we know what has really transpired here.  We don't know why the photographer decided to charge her for $5 an edit. This could be a deceptive business practice or he had a falling out with a model who does in fact come off harsh in her bio (just my point of view).

Obviously trade means trade.  It would be great to here the other side of the story. 

I do think when you have an arrogant egotistical photographer and a model who has an inflated sense of his/her abilities you are going to have trouble.

Rob Photosby wrote:
If the photographer is on MM, you should contact a moderator for advice.
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Not a good idea.  Moderators are NOT judges, arbitrators, or counselors for personal disputes.
You'll just be wasting valuable time for nothing.


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MM wrote:
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logannye wrote:
Should I release the MM name on here, go to moderator, change my bio back?

I'm pretty sure posting the person's name is against the rules and I'm not sure if going to a mod would help but you could try.  Really though it's not like he's doing anything illegal.  One of my best friends is a good photographer and she has a terrible habit of not giving models photos if she doesn't like them on trade shoots.  Now obviously she doesn't try to extort money out of the models but either way they don't get anything out of the shoot.  This just happens sometimes, which is why it can help to check references with the people you're shooting with.

And yes change your bio back to something like 'mainly looking for paid work but open to trade shoots with quality photographers'.  Now you'll still probably get some messages from people you don't wanna shoot with but you can just choose to ignore those messages or simply send the person your rates. Just know that unless you look like Karlie Kloss it will be very very hard for an inexperienced model to get paid work right off the bat, however I do see that you're open to nudes which is where the money is, you should try to get a nice nude shot in your portfolio if you want more paid work.

logannye wrote:
I changed the bio after all this. It used to say "mainly paid gigs, open to TFs with cool concepts." I tried to word it as politely as possible. The photog was very cryptic about where the photos would be, and I signed a model release. (Won't be doing that again on TF.) I got some texts with photos of the camera screen. After asking and asking and saying I was not planning on paying anything, I got one of the poorer photos in b&w. I asked for only two of the phtots retouched or unretouched, and he said I wasn't getting anymore for free. So being screwed over like that, I changed the bio.

Should I release the MM name on here, go to moderator, change my bio back?

Many photographers won't work with you if you won't sign a model release.

Posting his name is against the rules.

Going to the Mods won't accomplish anything - they don't arbitrate private disagreements, and quite honestly, at this point it pretty much only your side of the story.

udor wrote:

You are correct, TF is TF...

What he is doing is bait and switch and he's a prick for doing this!

It's like you are being promised a super cool tablet as a gift for free from a company... but... this tablet can only be charged with a totally customized power-cord... which you have to buy for $499...

However, let's say the deal was TF and you get 5 edited images as part of it, but each additional image would be $5... that would be another story, but giving you not one single edited photo and charging you is serious douchebagery!

This!!