Makeup Art by Tamara wrote:
...foundation or the eyes?

Tamara first compliments on your commercial web portal... nicely done...  That said, do you actually think it is germane to apply eye decor over bare skin?  Seriously... Maybe if you are using creams but absolutely no way for powder... it needs a base to adhere to... thus you'll have to apply foundation to the lids first... Yes there are eye "primers" such as Urban Decay's Eyeshadow Primer Potion which can/does help with creasing... Other vendors offer similar product...

Assuming you are prepping the client's (or talent's) skin first with moisturizer/primer... after allowing the aforementioned time to soak in next color match if using a heavy cream such as RCMA or MAC full coverage... and apply from top of face down to the thru the eyes.... However do not go below there... next apply your eye decor... once you're finished complete the foundation the rest of the way down... no worries with fallout staining foundation below the eye...

Now the actually issue... If you are having serious fallout problems there maybe be several reasons...  Are you using highly pigmented powder? cheap stuff looks pretty in the container, but is a bear to build color without massive amounts... don't buy cheap color palettes... Next sadly so many folks just don't get it when it comes to loading their brush... I've found lightly stroking my kolinsky sable eyeshadow brushes in product then swirling them on the soft skin on the underside of my forearm to build/load the brush evenly works bests...  Cheap Brushes? They just don't work well... sorry but you get what you pay for... and they will generate fallout big-time...

Makeup Art by Tamara wrote:
...prefer Ben Nye Translucent Set (white) under eyes for fair skin, but will that cause a halo in photographs?

Tamara, Ben Nye Translucent is an industry standard... "Halo in photographs" is an illumination issue i.e. the tog is using hard lighting and is clueless about angle of incidence/angle of reflectance... The photographer should ALWAYS take test shots and adjust the angle of illumination (or defuse the source) if there is an issue with bounce back... It is a poor photographer who blames team members for his/her ignorance... enough said...

Makeup Art by Tamara wrote:
And what about for darker skin tones?

The market if full of darker shades of translucent... Butternut is my go to... not an issue... however I do a considerable number of women of color... absolutely love their rich warm skin tones... allows for using far more vibrant hue/chroma eye; lip and cheek decor...

 

Makeup Art by Tamara wrote:
I do not like to pull any delicate skin under eyes, and I would not want that done to me!

You're using the wrong tool... surgical tape... 3M makes nearly a  dozen different options... low adhesion being a fav here... btw I use this all the time with airbrush... no issue...

Hope this helps... and you're right every artist finds their own path here.. what works for one may or may not work for another... it's more likely the level of technical savvy, not the product/tool that makes the difference... At least in my humble estimation...

Anais Ferraguti wrote:
Hello Tamara,

I'm the foundation then eyes kind of makeup artist too (unless I know I'm gonna go a very strong eyelook wich gonna involves loose products like pigments and glitters but that's the only case) so maybe I can help.

There's several ways to prevents fallouts. The classic one consists in simply pressing a folded tissue under the model's eyes and cheeks so any fallouts would go on the tissue. But as a clumsy girl myself its not whats works best for me, plus you always have a hand busy holding the tissue so not very practical.
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Maybe tack the tissue down with two little dabs of the tape, that way the tape isn't on the delicate eye area but, further away?

Jen
p.s. I'm older and my under eye area doesn't respond well to lots of patting, primer and powder or tugging.
here is the non art profile https://www.modelmayhem.com/2196584

Makeup Art by Tamara wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm sure I'll get both sides of the coin on this one but I wrestle with this each and every time I map out a face. Do you prefer to start with the skin (foundation, concealer, etc) or the eyes? I've always been an eyes-first MUA because that is how I was taught, and I DETEST fallout. Plus, I can't seem to prevent it no matter what primer/shadow/brushes/technique I use. That said, I would love to transition to be a skin-first MUA, as I think looking at a finished complexion and brows will make for a better thought-out eye look. So, how do you skin-first MUAs prevent or catch fallout? I have seen ridiculous amount of powder placed underneath the eyes to catch fallout. Is that a good way? And if so, what powders specifically are best for doing that? Right now I prefer Ben Nye Translucent Set (white) under eyes for fair skin, but will that cause a halo in photographs? And what about for darker skin tones? Or do you not use powder, and instead go back under eyes and clean and re-conceal? I must say, I do not like stick-on eye shields or tape. I do not like to pull any delicate skin under eyes, and I would not want that done to me! Any feedback is appreciated! Thank you!

Hi Tamara!

I'm a skin-first MUA and I think the major reason why is because I like to make sure the skin prep and foundation can set in while I do the eyes on my client. I won't set my foundation with any setting powders until AFTER the eyes--just in case massive fallout occurs. But what I've found works best for me is 1.) Tapping the brush against a hard surface to get rid of any excess product, and 2.) using the "baking" method under the eyes. This is my go-to application because swiping away the powder after the eyes will always swipe away any fallout. And, if you have to reapply any eyeshadow and you've already wiped away the baking powder, a simple fan brush will do the trick to get rid of any pestering remnants. My favorite (and I mean FAVORITE) baking powder is the Laura Mercier Translucent Powder--this powder brightens up the under-eye area so delicately and works on ANY skin tone--they have different powders but what's nice about this one specifically is that it is more of a bone color and not so white. It gives a more natural look in my opinion. Good luck!!

MUAMichy