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Hi. I have not yet paid a model for modelling. But i have thoughts about it. If i would pay a model for a photo session, what can i expect? Then i see through the models portfolios there often is prices as 2 hours for 150, 3 hours for 200 etc. If and when i accept to pay a model for a shoot, what kind of contract would it be? commercial or? Can i use the photos on my portfolio, sell them on stocks or for editorial purpose? I have a little hard to find out what to get if i pay. Best regards Peter Sep 27 17 09:54 am Link PH Freelance wrote: All of the things that you mention are possibilities. You need to negotiate with each individual model. Sep 27 17 10:18 am Link Everything is negotiable. I recommend obtaining a complete model release. Without a release your ability to do anything with the photos can be sharply limited. Sep 27 17 11:05 am Link If you're willing to pay, hire a professional. One who can emote well and pose well. Look at the model's portfolio. Do not pay amateurs. You WILL regret it. Sep 27 17 01:40 pm Link Your in Denmark, land of beautiful agency models. Contact an agency, dont waste your time with MM freelance models Sep 27 17 03:48 pm Link PH Freelance wrote: If you pay a professional model (whether agency, art nude, etc), you should expect communication to be a bit easier (hopefully), they show up on time, it should be easy to communicate about shoot ideas, selling images from the shoot, different types of releases (most of us have signed various kinds), etc. Sep 28 17 01:52 pm Link It's funny as photographers (most of whom are amateur and not making a living off their work) we spend all sorts of money on various pieces of equipment. Many times it's used once or twice and we never use it again. Sometimes, like me we have spent all sorts of money on many camera bags (I have 10) to find the right one, many which are well over $100+. We do this in hopes that we get a chance to make good and hopefully great images. Yet, 99% of your images you will never look at more than once ever again. Lots' of $$ spent in hopes of getting a great image, like just one...Then hopefully you print it which if done right is $25 for 8x12. So, when it comes to models there is no loss of pride or ego to hire a Model who is a big part of your success! If you are looking for some fun editorial shots or commercial spending $150-$200 for three or four hours work will be well worth it. Otherwise, there is a very good chance you spent all this money (in some cases thousands of dollars) on equipment, all this time on learning and then you are going to put someone who might or might not have the skill to be a great model. Unless you are just looking to spend four hours with a hot girl, it takes a lot more to Modeling than just a pretty face. So, negotiate and communicate and in the end you both will be happy with great images. Not just good ones. Peace. M Sep 28 17 02:05 pm Link The only thing pay guarantees is that you have that much less money. What you can do with the photos depends largely on what the model release dictates. (Although I don't know much about what you can and can't legally do with images of other people in Denmark) A higher paid model may come with more talent and a better look, but not necessarily. I've certainly been approached by many models wanting $100/hour or more who were no better than models I've paid $30/hour or even TF. When there's more money at stake people are more likely to stay committed but again this is no guarantee. Independent models simply don't face the same consequences agency models do. Really, I think it all comes down to looking at your needs, what your options are and making the best decision based on those factors. Some photographers are happy to spend a lot on a more experienced model, some are content paying less or doing TF, possibly spending more time lining up shoots as a result. Sep 29 17 07:08 am Link Ask a Danish lawyer. Legal opinions from foreign glamour photographers could lead to serious problems. Oct 01 17 08:55 am Link I like to make it simple....When I contact a model, I ask for her hourly posing fees, and if it is within my budget we proceeded to the next step scheduling.... etc...... I am an amateur and do not derive any income from the images. I think only once, years ago, a model asked me to sign a release of some kind......Paying a model makes everything much easier......I think only once I had a no show....She just plain forgot our appointment! Oct 14 17 02:33 pm Link PH Freelance wrote: I don't know how it is in Denmark but here in Germany, most models who call themselves professional are far from professional and charges way too high for what they actually can deliver. Oct 26 17 01:45 am Link I think the best advice on the legal aspects would be to seek out a Danish lawyer to outline this. As for paying a model, I have a question? Why do you feel the need to pay a model? Are you hiring for a job? Is a client putting you in charge of getting a model to showcase their product? Are you looking to monetize the photos of the shoot via fine art, stock images or some other means? In my opinion, unless it's a model you REALLY REALLY want to shoot, you shouldn't be hiring models for your portfolio. These questions would be good things to think about when you consult a lawyer when drafting up an agreement you can use. Oct 27 17 01:49 pm Link PH Freelance wrote: You're hiring and therefore you're paying. You're giving value for value. If you are spending money on a model, you need to be getting something for that. If the model's portfolio and overall work is no better than you can get from a TF model, there's one answer. Don't hire her. If on the other hand the model's work is superior to what you can get from a TF model, there's another answer; ultimately you must decide if she's worth the money. Oct 28 17 05:00 pm Link Graham Glover wrote: Well said. To build upon that base: Nov 27 17 09:07 pm Link PH Freelance wrote: When you hire a model, you should expect to capture exactly what you and the model agree upon. You should always use a model release which should include the compensation given. Your model release should state the usage of the work you create. It is, after all, an agreement between you and the model you decide to hire. Nov 28 17 12:48 am Link I dont pay models. They are needing me to create a product for them to get jobs being hired by product/design companies. Models hire photographers. Without us they would not exist. If you need to up your port dont waste your time on MM. Lookup your local modeling agency and start there. Jan 16 18 09:17 am Link It is largely up to you. If I were to pay a model I would expect a release to be signed which explains how the images would be used (portfolio, sold as stock imagery, sold to a client, etc). All of this would be communicated upfront, of course. Jan 16 18 09:43 am Link I pay a model based on her look and experience! Jan 18 18 12:13 am Link PH Freelance wrote: It depends on where you book whom. Then i see through the models portfolios there often is prices as 2 hours for 150, 3 hours for 200 etc. Everything is negotiable. When it comes to usage of images you get exactly what is agreed upon in your contract with the model or the model agency. Jan 18 18 04:13 pm Link oops. sorry. Jan 21 18 03:17 pm Link Hire a Pro if you have a project seems they can work out with Make sure you both agree in wiring what the shoot and pay consists of - you can set the perameters and see if they go with it! If a Photographer wants to create a certain body of work, especially Artistic, they should hire an experienced pro model who they can tell from Portfolio and Testimonials she will be able to create the look and poses and compelling feeling they might want. ;-) Models, especially Nudes, work for pay from photographers, or clients they pay both the model and the photographer . Personally, I admit I feel a visceral dislike immediately, for a man (and it's always a man) who makes the statement ''I DONT PAY MODELS'' Especially when he starts out with it right off the bat. I can confirm such a man is missing out on a plethora of really amazing models who would NOT pay him, nor be likely to pose for free. Feb 07 18 12:44 am Link Depends on the model how much I pay. Having said that even if shooting TF then I'll usually give them something (usually around $20 to cover their gas money and a little bit for themselves. If it's been a good shoot or I've shot with them before and I like them as a person then i'm prepared to give them a little more Mar 11 18 01:21 am Link stevierayphoto wrote: You have a page on your site trying to sell "fine art prints". Really? You didn't pay the models? They are needing me to create a product for them to get jobs being hired by product/design companies. Leaving aside your weird grammar, photographers who actually want to get hired to do model shoots need ports too. More so than models, in fact. Your site doesn't list any campaigns you've worked on. Is it possible that you don't pay models because the ONLY shoots you do are ones you sell to want-to-be models? If so, you should know that real pros do indeed shoot trade... Mar 11 18 07:46 am Link PH Freelance wrote: For goodness sake - don't ask a bunch of mostly amateur photographers who are almost entirely American a question about Danish/EU law... Find a site for Danish photographers and read what it says there. Mar 11 18 07:51 am Link Yosh Studio wrote: Have you had good experience with this? Communicating with agencies seems so much more foreign than with the models themselves Mar 11 18 04:00 pm Link PH Freelance wrote: You should expect to get a full model release. Or you may become a very melancholy Dane Mar 11 18 04:28 pm Link What can you expect ? Everything and nothing. It runs from someone who is professional, shows up as agreed, and is a dream to work with by falling into poses on their own and just knowing how to give you the look you want. That's on the good end, on the other end is someone who just stands there and thinks looking pretty is all that is needed. Money does not always mean good. I would say look carefully at their pictures. Just one problem... okay, more than one. Is the picture current ? And just how many pictures did it take to get that one great one ? I'm sure if I take 10,000 images at least a handful will be great no matter how bad a model she is. On the up side, using an agency although more expensive is more of a guarantee as they very rarely keep around a model that is bad at her job. Too many complaints from those that hire her and no one wants to work with her a second time is a sure way to get released from her agency. Mar 12 18 08:28 pm Link For a beginner, a pro model is great because (s)he will typically be much more patient than an amateur, especially a newbie. Make sure you have a very clear written agreement with her/him on what you may use the photos for - especially if the model is not a pro. You can find Danish-language model releases on the intenet. Mar 15 18 12:35 am Link Are there Danish photography groups in your area? If so, consider joining that group. Sometimes the members will join together and bring in an expert on various subjects such as you have brought up in this forum. If photography groups are not common in your area, consider starting one. As others have mentioned, standards and laws will vary from country to country and advice from people not actually living in Denmark may not be valid. Mar 24 18 05:42 pm Link I have started paying a few models. As a very poor photographer. I usually don't have very much to pay. So i normal offer a set price for the whole shoot. lately it's been 100$ a shoot. My favorite model is ok with it. and shoot normally isn't much more than a hour. I always have a model release signed so I can do anything I want with the photography. but it normally doesn't go past model mayhem Mar 27 18 07:46 am Link psmithp wrote: This. always have released signed for every shoot. Mar 27 18 07:47 am Link Abbitt Photography wrote: I agree, the only thing I can add is to check their port to see if they meet the requirements you have, not just height, weight, and other measurements but can they express the emotion/look that you are looking for. May 25 18 01:56 pm Link paying a model might get you access to models that you couldn't shoot with otherwise. what's the point of a shoot if you can't use the photos in your portfolio? if a model wants that then they have to pay me (same as one of my boudoir customers). when I pay a "pro" model (like one of the traveling ones) i have them sign the shutterstock release. when I pay an amateur model it's more like giving them gas money or tip for the shoot. for my part I don't stress much about releases anymore (unless I'm paying a pro model). Jun 04 18 11:20 am Link Carlos Occidental wrote: Truth. Jun 07 18 03:12 pm Link If you're willing to pay, hire a professional. One who can emote well and pose well. Look at the model's portfolio. Do not pay amateurs. You WILL regret it. Truth. Pros are worth their fee, amateurs MAY be. Agreed. Expect to have free reign to use the images as you please, and not to have to share any edits. But make sure that is understood and agreed in writing. I pay Nude models and also give them images for portfolio. They get a non commercial release. They can prepare a look and dress and pose as they wish ... so essentially I am providing them with a shoot for which they pay nothing, and they gain money too! But then, I have other photographers booked for shooting too. Jun 20 18 11:43 am Link I often find models believe they should be paid, but do not want to pay a photographer for a need they might have. Very one-sided situation. The problem often stems from overzealous photographers who are too goo-goo eyed to realize that this is a business, not a thrill. Jul 28 18 08:25 am Link Jeff Stanton Digital wrote: On the flip side, I see photographers who believe they should not pay models because think they're doing them a favor. The problem often stems from cheap-ass or pretentious photographers who don't realize modeling can be for business, just as with photography, and not just for thrills. Jul 28 18 10:15 am Link Isaiah Brink wrote: I agree. For example, I find that models who insist on bringing an escort will often have other atypical demands. Jul 29 18 07:25 pm Link |
