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"Spending time with a hot girl"
I see this phrase time and time again in the forums, usually posted by photographers or models who earn (reportedly) a goodly portion of their income from photography in one form or another and usually as some sort of negative comment about the rest of us. I'm curious--have you ever considered spending time with an intelligent woman who happens to also be rather nice to look at? This would be a more accurate description of most (though admittedly not all) of the models I've worked with and I have to say that I recommend it as an alternative. Your thoughts? Sep 29 17 03:40 pm Link Hmmmm....give me some time to think about that. But right now I'm spending time shooting a "hot girl" who doesnt talk very much  Sep 29 17 03:49 pm Link One would think that would be preferable, and also more accurate, as "spending time with hot girl" has a connotation of a kind of personality that you would probably not find in a successful model OR photographer. Ironically enough, you'd be more likely to find that personality in my day job, Supply Chain Management, which tends to attract very extroverted people with a very soft focus and not too much of a hard edge who can tell a factory owner he's completely screwed without making him feel too bad about it. Sep 29 17 04:03 pm Link I've done this many times! I enjoy the company of hot intelligent women! Sep 29 17 04:43 pm Link Well, hot is hot. It's not like I quiz them or anything. Sep 29 17 07:39 pm Link Black Z Eddie wrote: I agree, but if you can have more, why not take more? Sep 29 17 08:43 pm Link I never use the word hot t describe a woman/girl. To me it's bordering on demeaning. I prefer beautiful or gorgeous I hate the word pretty as well! Sep 30 17 12:00 am Link I simply stopped teaching in Georgia due to students paying tuition solely to be around beautifull models, they had no interest in improving their skills, but just to stand around gawking like 16 year olds. The expression "Hot girls" can be a hint at the true motivation. Sep 30 17 06:22 pm Link I prefer women being more comfortable, cooler and not so hot that they are standing around sweating all over the place... Oct 01 17 12:10 pm Link A model is a model. Be nice, respectable, accommodating, warm, but in the end the only she is with you is because you are a photographer and she is a model, nothing more. Oct 01 17 12:17 pm Link don't know about 'hot' but if they photograph well and are out of the box creative.. good stuff will happen Oct 02 17 01:15 pm Link Rays Fine Art wrote: Politically correct BS on the use of certain terms trigger some people, and/or are just envious, and/or think to be more professional and so above the other with their ideas. Rays Fine Art wrote: Model are human too, so I don't see any issue, but usually impratical for time constraints, etc. Oct 03 17 10:42 am Link A meaningful relationship might be attained between any two people who share common interest. In the case of spending time with "a hot girl" I ask them to remove all their clothes as well. Oct 04 17 07:46 am Link My thoughts: I hire model's based on their look and experience as it relates to the shoot at hand, not because of their intellect or education, although I find model's overall tend to be fairly educated. To me this about "look", not "hotness". Many models I hire for art projects are not glamour models. I often pass on "hot" models because their rates or look may not be right for my project. Oct 05 17 10:46 am Link goofus wrote: Thanks for saying this, for the most part I prefer that photographers refer to my appearance in my photographs, rather than how "hot" I am. I have been the recipient of a lot of well-intentioned remarks about my appearance during shoots, and it mostly just makes me feel uncomfortable. Maybe the photographers (or whoever is making these comments, sometimes it's passerby, studio owners, etc.) are just saying what they think they would like to hear if they were in my position, but the fact of the matter is that I'm there to be professional and get the best possible photos, not to get validated for how pretty and sexy I am. If I wanted that kind of attention, I would go to a pick up bar. Oct 11 17 01:34 pm Link Rays Fine Art wrote: All day long. :-) Oct 12 17 01:12 am Link PhotoACR wrote: Point being.. it's basically a business relationship. Oct 12 17 05:18 pm Link How about - be considerate and turn down the air conditioning then - or at least turn on a fan?? Problem solved and then back to work. :-) Oct 12 17 07:55 pm Link Last week I had lunch with a former agency fashion model I had shot with nearly a decade ago in my city . Since her brief stint as a fashion model here she had moved back to Taiwan , gotten married , had 2 children . completed a masters degree in Engineering and has been working for an International High Tech Consulting Firm Lets just say that our most recent ( 4 hr ) conversation over dimsum - was far more interesting than any conversations that i recall with her from the past ( at least in my opinion ) So interesting that we have decided to do dim sum on a monthly basis Oct 12 17 08:33 pm Link Karen Engel Photography wrote: There was a model who came into my hotel room for a shoot and turned up the heat to 83 degrees. I didn't notice this until after the shoot. Oct 12 17 08:37 pm Link -The Dave- wrote: I switched to strobes, and dumped those tungsten lights.....most models are more comfortable..... Oct 13 17 06:09 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: So much better than reviewing the images later and discovering that the model was covered with goose bumps. Oct 13 17 07:10 am Link Mark Salo wrote: The shoot was originally going to be outdoors in the desert at 5PM but it became cooler and windy. I saw that she was uncomfortable and I suggested doing the shoot at the hotel and she was very happy with that! Oct 13 17 07:54 am Link Rays Fine Art wrote: I actually show photos of models to friends and associates and point out that: Oct 14 17 04:16 pm Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: Mark Salo wrote: Jerry Nemeth wrote: Hey, Jerry, please quote the full original context. Oct 14 17 04:40 pm Link Yosh Studio wrote: HOT GIRLS??? Some of you shoot HOT GIRLS??? Oct 17 17 11:59 pm Link It is really Hard to find any kind of full package, finding a Hot Girl who is also Intelligent , I don't relate this to the fact that the model is hot or that beauty=stupidity , I relate it to lack of reading, study and discipline some how. I enjoy being in front of a Hot beautiful Female Model, but I have to be honest when I cross a Hot and Smart Female Model, oooh Man that drives me crazy. I consider myself Sapiosexual !!! Best Oct 18 17 06:08 pm Link I don't naturally refer to people as "hot," so I guess I don't understand why so many other photographers do. During the course of professionally booking a model and carrying out the shoot, I don't see any reason to comment on her looks beyond possibly saying something like "I like your look and/or your work" in the initial contact email. If you are booking her for your precious photo shoot, it is a given that you find her looks suitable for that shoot. During a shoot, the closest I get to commenting on the model's looks is to say something like "You're doing a great job" once or twice throughout the 2-hour session, and that only because I find that people in general like positive feedback when they are putting their every effort into the job you hired them for. Unless the model brings up the subject during a shoot (as happened once), there is no need for me to start thinking about or commenting on her looks or figure specifically. I have routinely been told by models that I am refreshingly professional to work with, like its not normal and somehow hard for photographers to be so. Being kind, friendly, and professional should come naturally to people engaged in a business relationship. Oct 19 17 03:06 pm Link MarkGerrardPhotography wrote: I never use the word girl to describe a woman. Oct 19 17 05:24 pm Link PhotoRealism wrote: I'm happy for you. And, them, I suppose. Oct 19 17 11:49 pm Link Me, "Damn, that's hot! Chin up, chin up, push your right knee out a little. Wow! Love it! Love it! God, that's hot!" Oct 20 17 12:25 am Link Black Z Eddie wrote:
Oct 20 17 01:47 pm Link I don't use the term hot girl but I love working with a beautiful woman!  Oct 21 17 11:25 pm Link Jeff Cole MFA ASMP wrote: I'm also in Atlanta and your post reminds me of when I started to get more emails from men wanting to "assist" during shoots than guys applying to model. I'd ask them if they had any experience with photography and they would admit that they would admit that they just wanted to see a hot naked guy. Oct 22 17 04:53 am Link Mantographer wrote: I also get the same request. They want to stand and look at nude models while I am busy photographing them! Oct 22 17 08:50 am Link My first comment is that when people talk about "intelligent women," two thoughts come to mind. The first of these is that some guys define "intelligent women" as women who agree with them. Often, these are guys who seem to show few signs of intelligence within themselves. They have no academic accomplishments. They don't seem to work in a field that would require much skill or non-academic intelligence. In any conversation, they seem unable to contribute anything requiring deep thought. When they go on a rant about appreciating an "intelligent woman," their descriptions seem to be of women who appreciate what they have to say. The second thought is that while intelligence has a certain attraction and value, I don't see intelligence as a virtue. Patience is a virtue. Kindness is a virtue. Self-control is a virtue. Wisdom is a virtue. Intelligence, like beauty, is just a tool that one can use for good or for harm. Plenty of intelligent people don't seem to like themselves or anyone else very much, and they often live pretty miserable lives. I enjoy a good conversation on some intellectual topics. In the long run, I would probably need a woman who could have those conversations in order to have a long-term relationship. I don't pretend that those conversations make either of us better than people who have more virtues. In the long run, a woman who has a pleasing appearance and is virtuous without being extraordinarily intelligent is probably a better companion than the woman who has a pleasing appearance and is very intelligent without being virtuous. I would love to have the companionship of a woman who has virtue, intelligence, and a pleasing appearance, but that's not the point of doing a shoot with a model. I've liked most of the models that I've shot, and liking them makes the shoot more fun. As an amateur, I do photography for fun, but even if I don't have good personal chemistry with a model, there's still a fun if I can learn something through the shoot. In terms of being "hot," I see many models as being beautiful without fitting my idea of "hot." Many experienced models can flip into and out of being "hot" to meet the needs of a particular shoot. Seeing a model exercise that skill in transitioning back and forth is fun. In terms of using the term "hot" to describe how things look through the camera, I look at the point of the shoot. In a shoot that is trying to produce images that fit the "hot" style, I see nothing wrong with telling the model that the look is "hot." If the shoot is trying to produce a different type of image, I wouldn't like to use the term because doing so would communicate that we weren't getting the desired effect. As I've said in many of these threads, I seem to have odd emotional responses to some things. In a different context of "hot," I used to be on the fire crew at work. I remember standing outside one of the props during training one time and feeling the heat as they lit the fire and let it get some size before we started the attack. For just a moment, I thought to myself what a rush the whole experience was. For just a moment, I let my emotions ride the slight adrenaline surge that comes from the sight, sound, and heat of the flames. As soon as we started the attack, my mind flipped over and I lost the emotions as I was trying to catch all of the technical points of putting out the fire. In photography, I often have the same sense that I should be emotionally thrilled by the situation at some level but what really dominates my mind is concern for the technical and artistic points that I need to capture. Nov 14 17 03:42 am Link Python Photos wrote: So you are either miserable or not intelligent. Nov 14 17 04:54 am Link Jules NYC wrote:
Nov 14 17 05:44 am Link When I am shooting my greatest concern is taking good images. Nov 14 17 05:46 am Link Jules NYC wrote: I guess that depends on your definition of "Plenty of." To me, "plenty of" doesn't mean a majority or even a plurality. "Plenty of" certainly doesn't mean all or even most in the contexts that I've always heard. Apparently, you've heard the expression used differently. Nov 15 17 06:20 pm Link |
Women like it when you're greedy with them I reckon.
