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SayCheeZ!

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Shots fired at many casinos on the strip. 
Police and emergency crews are coming in from everywhere.
All casinos are locked down.
One suspect has been caught.

Don't go anywhere near the strip!!!

original LV Metro Police Dispatch wrote:
shots fired at mandalay bay. many reported down and many pinned including officers. confirmed multiple dead. shots coming from hotel room over officers heads. at multiple officers shot. possible 2-3 shooters. this is a mass casulty event.

Oct 01 17 11:39 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Centered around a music festival near Mandalay Bay and Four Seasons... many shot and transported to local hospitals... all flights in and out of McCarren Airport have been halted... hmm

Oct 01 17 11:49 pm Link

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FFantastique

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Orlando, Florida, US

OJ?

Oct 02 17 12:14 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Just watched a cell-phone video showing gunfire coming from a window of Mandalay Bay Hotel with well over 100 rounds fired.  Police officer interviewed after hearing the gunfire on tape said it sounded like a canister/belt-fed machine gun... with several hundred rounds fired over a period of 3-4 minutes.

Oct 02 17 12:21 am Link

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Instinct Images

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The sound of the rapid gunfire on social media posts is shocking. Hopefully the police have killed the shooter.

Just heard from the sheriff that there are in excess of 20 victims that were killed and over 100 injured. So tragic and senseless.

Oct 02 17 01:22 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Instinct Images wrote:
The sound of the rapid gunfire on social media posts is shocking. Hopefully the police have killed the shooter.

Just heard from the sheriff that there are in excess of 20 victims that were killed and over 100 injured. So tragic and senseless.

With well over 100 injured... that 'fatality figure' of 20 will unfortunately climb to a much higher number... sad

Oct 02 17 02:35 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Lone gunman identified as STEPHEN PADDOCK... 64, of Mesquite NV.  He sprayed hundreds of concert goers with gunfire in the concert area.  Casualities has now climbed to 50+ dead, over 200+ injured.  Several fatalities were police officers, who may have been the gunman's target.  He was shot by police in his room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay.

Oct 02 17 03:27 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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Winter Park, Florida, US

Fifty-eight dead and five hundred and fifteen wounded. I'm sure the number of dead will continue to rise.

Oct 02 17 09:14 am Link

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martin b

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Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

Must be big.  It broke into the news here in the philippines tonight.  I'll look for it in the morning news.  Take care America.

Oct 02 17 09:15 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

As usual, the drive-by media is getting most of the accounts wrong because in their eyes, it's way more important to report first rather than accurately.

1. There were not multiple-shootings at multiple casinos.
2. The shooter was not killed by police, he committed suicide.
3. The guns used in the shooting were illegal.
4. The guns used in the shooting were not guns that were easily modified from legal guns.
5. The guns used in the shooting were not easy to get by any stretch of the imagination.

One thing that is certain though is that politicians are now in a race to find the nearest microphone to make this political about gun-control.

Oct 02 17 09:23 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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Several fatalities were police officers, who may have been the gunman's target.

The last I heard, no police officers were killed. This is why I hate it when the media just has to report things fast rather than accurate. Two cops were hurt but are in stable condition but were not killed. They were off-duty and not in uniform. They were just concert-goers like everyone else and not targeted in any way because they were cops. The gunman was shooting fully automatic weapons in rapid-fire...there was no way he could have specifically targeted anyone from that distance in that method of shooting. He was just randomly spraying bullets into a crowd from several hundred yards away.

He was shot by police in his room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay.

He was not shot by police. He had committed suicide. He was already dead when the police found him.

Oct 02 17 09:29 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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Winter Park, Florida, US

Shot By Adam wrote:
As usual, the drive-by media is getting most of the accounts wrong because in their eyes, it's way more important to report first rather than accurately.

1. There were not multiple-shootings at multiple casinos.
2. The shooter was not killed by police, he committed suicide.
3. The guns used in the shooting were illegal.
4. The guns used in the shooting were not guns that were easily modified from legal guns.
5. The guns used in the shooting were not easy to get by any stretch of the imagination.

One thing that is certain though is that politicians are now in a race to find the nearest microphone to make this political about gun-control.

1. All of the news reporting I saw didn't say anything about multiple shootings at multiple casinos.
2. Paddock is dead by his own hand. So what? He'll never pay for the atrocity he committed.
3. The guns Paddock hauled into the hotel room are illegal. He still had access to them!
4. The guns Paddock had were guns that are not easily modified, but he still had them!
5. The guns Paddock used to shoot almost 600 people are not easy to acquire. He still had them!

The pols are rushing to microphones to give empty platitudes, like thoughts and prayers, to the families of the victims. Some consolation that is. After the empty platitudes from politicians, life will go back to "normal" and nothing will be done about civilian access to military style combat weapons, until the next mass shooting.

Oct 02 17 09:40 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
1. All of the news reporting I saw didn't say anything about multiple shootings at multiple casinos.

I've seen numerous news reports claiming that there were shootings at other locations.

3. The guns Paddock hauled into the hotel room are illegal. He still had access to them!
4. The guns Paddock had were guns that are not easily modified, but he still had them!
5. The guns Paddock used to shoot almost 600 people are not easy to acquire. He still had them!

and nothing will be done about civilian access to military style combat weapons, until the next mass shooting.

I have absolutely no clue what your point is here. The ACTUAL point is, banning things doesn't make them go away. Passing laws about things don't make them go away. The only solution is to ban all guns, knives, shovels, clubs, pointy objects, or things that scare you doesn't solve one single, solitary thing.

Oct 02 17 09:48 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

And right on cue come the Democrats who have announced a press conference in the next few hours where they will be talking about gun bans, high-capacity magazines, and the other usual rhetoric.

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel

Oct 02 17 09:53 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

It's amazing how quickly everything happened, including the police response and take down time.
Anyone that's been to the Mandalay Bay understands how long it can take to get from the parking area into a hotel room.  For the police to take the suspect down so quickly is simply amazing.

Many of my friends were either working, attending shows, and performing in shows when all at once they were all broadcasting that they were seeking shelter and reported being locked down in safe shelters.

I turned on the police radio and listened to the events unfold as they were happening.  Yes, police on other parts of the strip were reporting shots fired at other locations.  There were other police 'wiinessing' other gunmen at various hotels.  Those reports were later rescinded and thought to be echos from the Mandalay Bay guns.  The other 'gunmen' that were seen ended up being plain clothes police at other locations, and in one case a stupid civilian with a pellet gun.. 

I listened as police were warning others as they were watching an unidentified man walk down a street / corridor with a rifle.  I was surprised they didn't just shoot him.  As it turns out, the rifle man was some sort of security guard that was going to a place where people were being held and the rifle was to defend them in case they were attacked.

That's a sign of how professional our law enforcement teams are in this area.  All of the police on the radios remained calm despite the chaos surrounding them everywhere.

Ironically. the reason I posted the message on MM is because I know there were some members doing a photo shoot on the strip yesterday.  It's not like my message would have helped, I'm pretty sure they would have known, but it all happened so quickly and many of my friends that were caught up in the mess really didn't know what was happening until a long time after the event unfolded.

Oct 02 17 09:56 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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Winter Park, Florida, US

When the gunman has automatic weapons, the gunman can spread death much more quickly over a wider area. In 1966, it took Charles Whitman 96 minutes to shoot forty-nine people, killing eighteen. How long did it take for Paddock to shoot down almost 600 people? Just a few minutes?

Oct 02 17 10:11 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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SayCheeZ!  wrote:
It's amazing how quickly everything happened, including the police response and take down time.
Anyone that's been to the Mandalay Bay understands how long it can take to get from the parking area into a hotel room.  For the police to take the suspect down so quickly is simply amazing.

The police handled everything very professionally considering the circumstances. To be clear though, they did not "take him down". They already found him dead having committed suicide.

Oct 02 17 10:20 am Link

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Shot By Adam

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Oct 02 17 11:11 am Link

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rxz

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Glen Ellyn, Illinois, US

It's not the first mass shooting.  It won't be the last.  The carnage will continue.  Americans don't have the will to try to contain it.

Oct 02 17 11:17 am Link

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Robb Mann

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Baltimore, Maryland, US

A few years ago I was in vegas staying just off the strip at City Center when a late-night shooting of a rap star took place at the Aria. It was a single gunman and victim, but the police had the stip closed for about 8 hours. I cant imaging the response to this. Wish i was more local so I could give blood.

Oct 02 17 11:25 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

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Dearborn, Michigan, US

Shot By Adam wrote:
Aaaaaand right on cue...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/democ … -shooting/

They always use these terrible events to push their agenda.

Oct 02 17 11:41 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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rxz wrote:
It's not the first mass shooting.  It won't be the last.  The carnage will continue.  Americans don't have the will to try to contain it.

Thank you.

Oct 02 17 12:01 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

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Jerry Nemeth wrote:

They always use these terrible events to push their agenda.

Like the peeps here pushing their agendas ?

Oct 02 17 12:11 pm Link

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Chris Rifkin

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Tampa, Florida, US

Shot By Adam wrote:
And right on cue come the Democrats who have announced a press conference in the next few hours where they will be talking about gun bans, high-capacity magazines, and the other usual rhetoric.

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel

Except the weapons this guy had were illegal to own,buy or sell....or at the very least you had to jump through so many legal hoops that if you wanted them badly enough yiu would get it via illegal means (black market)..as was the ammo used

Meaning no law created would ever prevent a douchbag like this from obtaining weapons of this caliber  if said douchbag was hell bent on aquiting them
And there is no way one could modify a legal weapon to do the kind of carnage these did...(was alrwady debunked)

Oct 02 17 12:20 pm Link

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j francis photography

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Shot By Adam wrote:
As usual, the drive-by media is getting most of the accounts wrong because in their eyes, it's way more important to report first rather than accurately.

That's because news was never expected or required to be a profit center in the past.

Oct 02 17 12:31 pm Link

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Robb Mann

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Baltimore, Maryland, US

What weapons did this guy have? Any authoritative list? I know some kind of full-auto was used.

And please try to keep politics out of this. Pleanty of time for that later.

Oct 02 17 12:32 pm Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

This sucks. Another day in America, another "average joe" somehow manages to blow away a bunch of his fellow citizens. Everyone who knew him is shocked. Never expected him to do anything like this. It's all just one big mystery, all over again.

Move along, nothing to see here, nothing we can do about it. hmm

Oct 02 17 12:33 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Shot By Adam wrote:
The last I heard, no police officers were killed.

You stand corrected... listed among the 500+ casualities and 59 confirmed fatalities is Las Vegas Police Officer Charleston Hartfield, 34.  The complete list of fatality names is still being compiled at this time.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/route-91- … full-list/

Oct 02 17 12:36 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

When I first moved to Las Vegas (1981), machine guns were legal to buy and there were quite a few places that sold 'em. They'd advertise 'em at bus shelters, tourist magazines, and billboards.

I've been told they're still legal to purchase, but for the past 20 years or so I haven't seen the kind of advertising that once was prevalent, however there are quite a few places that rent machine guns that you can fire at their indoor range.

I'm not sure if or how much the law was changed between then and now, and I may or may not agree with the laws but it's very possible that the guns used in last nights attack were purchased in a totally legitimate and legal manner.
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Along those lines one of the machine gun rental places also has a collection of miliary surplus Hummers, Jeeps, Armored Cars, Helicopters, and Tanks on display to attract customers.  It was surprising to hear the police dispatcher notify all the officers that the company had three of the armored cars ready to go for the police to use.

Oct 02 17 01:18 pm Link

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Joe Tomasone

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Robb Mann wrote:
And please try to keep politics out of this.

As Robb said, please keep politics out of this discussion.  I know it's intertwined to a degree, but the rules are the rules.

Oct 02 17 01:38 pm Link

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Baanthai

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martin b wrote:
Must be big.  It broke into the news here in the philippines tonight.  I'll look for it in the morning news.  Take care America.

It seems the killer had a filipina girlfriend. And she's currently in the Phillipines. What's the news there about her. She knows something.

Oct 02 17 05:31 pm Link

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martin b

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Baanthai wrote:

It seems the killer had a filipina girlfriend. And she's currently in the Phillipines. What's the news there about her. She knows something.

I don't see her in the news right now.  I am mostly watching local news at work.  I will check fox news tonight.  Did she just run out of the USA?  The police didn't even question her?  Doesn't sound right.

Oct 02 17 07:02 pm Link

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Baanthai

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martin b wrote:

"I don't see her in the news right now.  I am mostly watching local news at work.  I will check fox news tonight.  Did she just run out of the USA?  The police didn't even question her?  Doesn't sound right".

Yes, she was Filipina, but also an Australian citizen. Before the murders, she may have returned to her family in the Phillipines and maybe on to Tokyo. That's what's being currently reported in the U.S. Her relationship with the killer is unclear, but she was an attractive woman who worked in casinos. I don't believe in coincidence. She knows stuff about what happened in L.V.

Oct 02 17 07:43 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

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martin b wrote:

I don't see her in the news right now.  I am mostly watching local news at work.  I will check fox news tonight.  Did she just run out of the USA?  The police didn't even question her?  Doesn't sound right.

The police found one of her i.d.'s in the gunmans room and immediately issued an all points bulletin and asked the media to assist.  A description of two vehicles that she's known to drive and the license plate numbers were immediately displayed on TV, electronic billboards, radio, and internet.  They also immdediately went to the residence she was living at in Mesquite, about 90 miles north of Las Vegas.

They made it clear that she was a person of interest and not a suspect.

Oct 02 17 08:12 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

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A recently compiled list of some of the victims (with photos)... more additions to come... sad

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/v … names.html

Oct 02 17 08:49 pm Link

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Instinct Images

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Some of my friends were there at the concert and they are extremely traumatized as you would expect. I can't imagine what they went through. Sad how one person could do so much damage to so many.

Oct 02 17 09:54 pm Link

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tony

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Condolences to any MM'ers affected by this event. The things that are happening these days...

Oct 02 17 11:49 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

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WOW... now we are in 'conspiracy mode' BIGTIME!  Here's a link showing gunfire coming from a location around the 4th floor also.  In video at link below, watch the gunfire coming out of a lower window around the 4th floor as the cab driver pulls away from the front of the hotel.  Paddock's room was on the 32nd floor.  If this is true... it looks like there's a potential shooter still on the loose... yikes

http://yournewswire.com/hotel-guest-las-vegas-shooter/

And why are there 2 broken windows pictured here... from what appears to be 2 different room locations... when only ONE shooter was identified?... hmm

https://www.10tv.com/sites/10tv.com/files/Mandalay%20Bay%20resort%20and%20casino%20Las%20Vegas%20shooting.jpg

Oct 03 17 12:28 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

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Select Models wrote:
WOW... now we are in 'conspiracy mode' BIGTIME!  Here's a link showing gunfire coming from a location around the 4th floor also.  In video at link below, watch the gunfire coming out of a lower window around the 4th floor as the cab driver pulls away from the front of the hotel.  Paddock's room was on the 32nd floor.  If this is true... it looks like there's a potential shooter still on the loose... yikes

http://yournewswire.com/hotel-guest-las-vegas-shooter/

And why are there 2 broken windows pictured here... from what appears to be 2 different room locations... when only ONE shooter was identified?... hmm

https://www.10tv.com/sites/10tv.com/files/Mandalay%20Bay%20resort%20and%20casino%20Las%20Vegas%20shooting.jpg

He had a luxury corner suite.  Both windows were in his suite.

Oct 03 17 01:02 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

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Jerry Nemeth wrote:
He had a luxury corner suite.  Both windows were in his suite.

OK... I'll buy that... and those 2 windows were both on the 32nd floor... BUT... how do you explain the gunfire coming out of this 4th floor window as the cab driver in this video is pulling away?  Checkout 'run time' 27 to 34 in this video... yikes

https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoic … 407989467/

Oct 03 17 01:07 am Link