Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Well I had assumed it was a combination of a deranged state of mind at the time mixed with the utter hate of seeing others having a great time all around you.  I suspected that as I could see no evidence of any other iron clad reason,, such as he converted to isis, or he had a gripe with the artist.

so why would the guy shoot into a crowd of people having the time of their lives? had to be the reason you said. there doesnt appear to be any other reason coming to the forefront

This is true... it's like 'if he couldn't be happy... no one else could either'.  This article seems to reflect his 'loner status' and declining mental health (read the 3rd paragraph).  His recent injury in Vegas took him even deeper into a painful condition.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/who-wa … li=BBnb7Kz

Select Models wrote:
Put yourself in Steven Paddock's shoes for around 2 weeks prior to the Las Vegas shooting.

You have recently been injured (factual), and needed treatment.  You were dissatified with the treatment you received, and you continue to suffer through some moderate to possibly even severe pain from this injury, blaming those in that happy world outside for your continued pain.

Are you talking about the slip/fall in a casino five years ago where he sprained his wrist? He tried to sue, but case was dismissed 3 years ago. That was at the Cosmopolitan. Why would he attack a music festival at a different property than the one he had a beef with?

That hardly seems to be a strong motive.

As for your "he was dumped by his girlfriend" theory... that doesn't make sense either. No one has said he had been dumped... in fact, she thought he was dumping her when he sent her to the Philippines and wired her $100K. Who sends a large chunk of money to someone who just dumped them?

At this point I don't have a clue what his motive might have been.

Roy Hubbard wrote:
What they said ^

Plus, how does any of this account for the extensive training he's supposed to have undergone.  No idea what his real motivation might have been, but this theory

That's exactly what I posted... 'a theory'... and like Tony stated above... no one else has came up with anything better or a concrete motive.  Do you have a link to an article showing all the extensive training 'he's supposed to' have undergone?

Robb Mann wrote:
He started buying guns only in the past year. This was a carefully planned and executed attack. This was not the impulsive act of a jilted boyfriend.

He bought some of his weapons a few days before the shooting... that looks pretty 'impulsive' to me... here's the article.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas- … re-stocks/

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
When was the shooter interviewed for this analysis?   

Oh most definitely... I had an exclusive interview with him right before the shooting.  I'm editing the footage this weekend for a YouTube release soon...     (JUST KIDDING)

Dude... come on... it's JUST a theroy...

Select Models wrote:
He bought some of his weapons a few days before the shooting... here's the article.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas- … re-stocks/

"A rifle" isn't really "some of his weapons" considering the fact that he had 12 in the room with him.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:
"A rifle" isn't really "some of his weapons" considering the fact that he had 12 in the room with him.

He actually had 23 weapons... and I have another theroy on why the scoped rifle was there... 'a marked target'... that's a person within the crowd 'targeted for assassination'... which unfortunately makes all the others killed 'colladeral damage'... but that's another theory for another time...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 … 726743001/

Select Models wrote:
He actually had 23 weapons... and I have another theroy on why the scoped rifle was there... 'a marked target'... that's a person within the crowd 'targeted for assassination'... which unfortunately makes all the others killed 'colladeral damage'... but that's another theory for another time...

Well. there's been talk recently of declassifying the final batch of the JFK assassination files. Perhaps the CIA assigned this guy to take out some key witness who was supposed to be at this concert.

We can add this to the growing list of working theories!

Lightcraft Studio wrote:

Well. there's been talk recently of declassifying the final batch of the JFK assassination files. Perhaps the CIA assigned this guy to take out some key witness who was supposed to be at this concert.

We can add this to the growing list of working theories!

WOW... yeah that theroy is quite A STRETCH of the imagination... but HEY... it's a theory...

Select Models wrote:

WOW... yeah that theroy is quite A STRETCH of the imagination... but HEY... it's a theory...

Well, it's as good as any of the others!

Baanthai wrote:
There was a rumor about a tumor
Nestled at the base of his brain.

Yep... and what do doctors give ya for conditions like that?... DRUGS!
And do drugs make you do things you don't normally do?... HELLOOOOOOOO!...
Could have definitely contributed to Mr. Paddock's 'sad condition'...

Stephen Fletcher wrote:
One thing that strikes me about him is that he has been a high stakes gambler for some time and did not go broke.  With the odds set for the House, particularly Video Poker that he played, most gamblers lose it all.  He must have been very smart and very disciplined in his gambling.  Not a compulsive gambler type  but rather a man in control of himself.  So how could he give into such an impulse to start murdering people he did not know?

You bring up many good points... BUT... that 'man in control of himself' part... well... all it takes is a strong dose of emotional and physical pain... combined with some potentally mind altering medications... then throw in some loneliness and solitude (no friends or social media for this guy - no Facebook no Instagram and definitely NO Model Mayhem - pretty much no connection to what could have been a helpful outside world)... and BAM... you have a sad guy who's altered and twisted mind got the best of him...

Select Models wrote:
Put yourself in Steven Paddock's shoes for around 2 weeks prior to the Las Vegas shooting.

You have recently been injured (factual), and needed treatment.  You were dissatified with the treatment you received, and you continue to suffer through some moderate to possibly even severe pain from this injury, blaming those in that happy world outside for your continued pain.

Your girlfriend has recently left you (factual).  She mentally abused you (his possible mindset as she claimed emotional abuse existed within the relationship) and as a result, you feel mistreated, abandoned and lonely.

Combine this severe physical pain that you feel, with the very severe mental anquish you're experiencing, and what kind of private world are you living in?  Boundless negativity and SADNESS with a capital S!


Can anyone now NOT see what the motive was?

Robb Mann wrote:
He started buying guns only in the past year. This was a carefully planned and executed attack. This was not the impulsive act of a jilted boyfriend.

That is correct!

He also booked two rooms in Chicago, months earlier, as he was scouting for more opportunities to execute his plans!

I understand the pain/abandonment explanation for being incapable of rational thought just too well (in a different way tho), but in this case..., there must be some other mental health issues playing a role.

The current situation may have solidified or amplified whatever was going on... but I don't believe that the current injury and pain of the breakup had anything to do with the initial plan development.

ZMPHOT   wrote:
You should note hews that he was using+++ amounts of  Valium to help with his anxieties ...BUT also using alcohol....those two substances do not mix well and can alter  mind states drastically when mixed............  His Dr also was reluctant to give details on his mental problems    .That's enough data to indicate how drastic his outlook on life may have been altered.

Quite possibly true... drugs... plus emotional distress... plus physical pain... plus reclusive solitude... equals 'lunatic fringe'...

AVANT GORE PRODUCTIONS wrote:

I actually agreed with what you had to say... before the forum fairies ran off with your text...

Select Models wrote:
That's exactly what I posted... 'a theory'... and like Tony stated above... no one else has came up with anything better or a concrete motive.  Do you have a link to an article showing all the extensive training 'he's supposed to' have undergone?

Sure, it's an interesting theory and I can definitely see the argument for it. It just doesn't hold up to what I've read on a few points.

I'm not knowledgeable about the subject at all, maybe one of our resident gun experts can weigh in on this article.

Roy Hubbard wrote:
Sure, it's an interesting theory and I can definitely see the argument for it. It just doesn't hold up to what I've read on a few points.

I'm not knowledgeable about the subject at all, maybe one of our resident gun experts can weigh in on this article.

Interesting article... but I find this part of the timeline TRULY INSANE:

From 10:05 to 10:15 is when all the damage was done, with no other shots fired into the crowd observed after 10:15.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the suspect's room.
11:20 p.m.: The first breach is set off and officers enter the room. They observe the suspect down on the ground and also see a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

So EIGHT officers are waiting outside the gunman's room FOR 25 MINUTES before bustin their way in?
WHY?!?!?!?... what the hell took them soooooo long to take action?  What the Hell are they out there doing in that hallway?  Discussing what they're gonna wear for Halloween?...    That baffles the hell outta me!  I didn't read anywhere about their reasoning behind such a huge delay...

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I dont believe the Jihad angle. I think the guy is too old...and too american quite frankly. I believe its generally foreign born ignorant youth who are susceptible to indoctrination by jihadism...not some old american who was pretty much living the life of a degenerate gambler.I just find it difficult to believe that this guy in the twilight of his years suddenly switched gears and became uber religious.

Totally agree... and ISIS has a LARGE web presense.  This guy showed very little interest in the internet... no IG... no FB... no Linked In... degenerate gambler who reached his pinnacle of degeneration.

Select Models wrote:
So EIGHT officers are waiting outside the gunman's room FOR 25 MINUTES before bustin their way in?
WHY?!?!?!?... what the hell took them soooooo long to take action?  What the Hell are they out there doing in that hallway?  Discussing what they're gonna wear for Halloween?...    That baffles the hell outta me!  I didn't read anywhere about their reasoning behind such a huge delay...

Maybe you shouldn't get your police tactics training from Steven Segal movies. 

Real life isn't like the movies.  You don't go busting into a room with a heavily armed gunman and think you're just going to take him out, without any threat to your own life because he's using villain bullets that will only wound your shoulder at best. 

First of all; SWAT officers aren't always on duty when barricaded situations occur.  They get called in from wherever they're at, so sometimes it takes a while before the team can get together and come up with a plan of attack.  Add in all the traffic getting into the scene, and that extends the time it takes them to get to the command post and hook up with their teams.  In this case, the elevators were shut off.  This meant these guys had to carry their gear up 32 flights of stairs.  Even in great shape, that's an exhausting climb. 

Second, there was no active shooting going on by the time they got up to the 32nd floor.  At that point, they don't know if this guy is lying in wait to ambush them when the come through the door.  They don't know if he has explosive booby traps set up behind the door.  They don't know if there's more than one heavily armed shooter.  They don't know what the guy's motives are.  They don't know if there are any hostages inside.  And, they don't know what if any other rooms on that floor or in that hotel might have another shooter waiting to shoot them from the back as they head down the hall. 

As long as there's no active firing, time is on their side.  They're going to gather all the information they can and come up with a plan that covers all possible scenarios; including taking the guy out with sniper if he pops his head up by the window.  If push comes to shove, they can cut off the electricity, air circulation vents, water, and food supply to make the guy as miserable as possible and give him more incentive to give up.

Third, Hostage/Crisis Negotiators have to make an effort to get the person to come out peacefully; if they can.  They'll call the room multiple times.  Check hotel video to see who's up there.  Find out his name and contact any family to learn more about him.  And search social media and criminal databases, to see if there's an angle they can approach him from that will get him to talk.

Fourth, they have to clear every single room on the way down the hall and on the adjacent floors.  With all the gear they're carrying, that can be exhausting work.  They might have to switch out teams in the process, so the entry team is the least fatigued when the time comes to go in. 

Lastly, they have to evacuate anyone who's in the hot zone.  If the shooter has explosives, or some sort of incendiary device, it wouldn't look too great on the evening news if hundreds more people were killed because they pushed the killer into one last destructive play. 

The guys risking their lives going into a shooter's nest have a lot more experience and training on this than all the keyboard warriors on the internet who've never even served in the military, much less ever been in a life or death situation at any point in their entire lives.   It's easy to criticize them in the comfort and safety of your home, because you have nothing to lose.  For them...not so much.

Select Models wrote:
Totally agree... and ISIS has a LARGE web presense.  This guy showed very little interest in the internet... no IG... no FB... no Linked In... degenerate gambler who reached his pinnacle of degeneration.

I agree that any ISIS connection is highly unlikely, but that's as far as I can go. I still have more questions than answers on this one.

I don't know that gambling was anything other than a pastime with him... you can't make any serious money off poker machines (unless you're the house), and it doesn't sound like he got into the bigger poker tournaments at all.

He could have been laundering money though the casinos... but we don't have any data to confirm or refute that. If he was doing that, then what was the source of the money... or was he just an "accountant" laundering money for someone else? Even if he did have a money laundering career going, that still doesn't explain what led to this.

Why so many guns in the room? Could he possibly have expected to need that many during his shooting spree? Why not just a few with a zillion rounds of ammo?

Why did he have the ingredients for explosives in his car? Was he expecting to escape and continue he spree elsewhere? Was he expecting to have help? Was that just for some other plot that he decided against?

How did someone burglarize his house before the FBI was finished with the place? Was that a random burglar coupled with massive FBI incompetence, or did someone connected need some of the evidence to disappear?

How could someone SO deranged so as to be able to do something this horrible not show any hint of rage, grudge, hatred, etc. to his family/girlfriend/associates? As far as I know no one around him has said he showed any sort of anger/hatred or warning signs based on politics, religion, business dealings, etc.

I'm hard pressed to think back to any "successful" mass murderer who didn't leave *some* sort of clues behind... writings, conversations with family/friends, someone.

People don't just suddenly wake up one day and say "hey, this group or that group wronged me... I think I'll do a mass murder to get even". Usually someone thinks they've been "wronged" and then the anger builds up over time before they reach the final stage. During that time they usually show that anger to someone.

So... I guess it's a stay tuned for more information situation.... I have no clue yet.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:
Why so many guns in the room? Could he possibly have expected to need that many during his shooting spree? Why not just a few with a zillion rounds of ammo?

Those were 50 round clips you saw on the floor in that room.  After 50 rounds get blasted thru an automatic rifle, those gun barrels get HOT BIGTIME.  Instead of trying to reload a very hot rifle, I think his mode of operation was to fire off 50 rounds, toss that HOT gun aside... pick up a much cooler pre-loaded rifle time and time again... and keep firing away.  Also... if there's ever a time that guns get ammo jammed... it happens more frequently when they are re-loaded.