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Masciandaro Photography

Posts: 143

Westfield, New Jersey, US

Client has a concept for an exterior shot of a window of their home office. Color temp inside is set to tungsten so strobes are gelled with a CTO to warm things up. Exterior would be lit at blue hour to emphasize color contrast.

Now here's the problem. I've got a ledge at a parking garage about 100 feet away with perfect perspective. My current triggers (usually reliable at 3x the distance) can't seem to penetrate the window glass to fire off the strobes on the inside.

Since there's a chasm between the ledge where I'm shooting and the window of the office building, there's no place to locate a repeater.

Would an optical slave work any better? Rent a more powerful set of radio triggers? Forget using strobes and light it with continuous lights?

Oct 28 17 12:29 pm Link

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Mike Collins

Posts: 2880

Orlando, Florida, US

A Wein Ultra slave (optical) will more then likely work.  That damn thing is very sensitive and at quite a distance.  I remember long ago we did a commercial shoot in front of a private home.  Slaved packs with the Wein Ultras.  The strobes kept going off even though we weren't shooting.  The damn flashing strobe on top of a school bus down the street was firing them off!!  To this day I have never seen or used an optical slave that was that good. 

Yes, it this one has a household  type prong.  They make others with phone jacks.  But they also can bu used with a regular sync cord.  You can see the sync plug in the front there.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ … _3000.html

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/Wein_930_010_SSL_Ultra_Slave_3000_1311714252000_63285.jpg

Oct 28 17 12:41 pm Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

Masciandaro Photography wrote:
Now here's the problem. I've got a ledge at a parking garage about 100 feet away with perfect perspective. My current triggers (usually reliable at 3x the distance) can't seem to penetrate the window glass to fire off the strobes on the inside.

if the the window or nearby window can open, run a sync cord outside and hide the receiver on the exterior of the building. yes, the wein ultra slave will work up to 600 ft or more. it's so sensitive that line-of-sight is not required. once i hid a speedlight on lowest power under a black blanket and it still triggered the silly thing.

Oct 29 17 09:21 am Link

Photographer

Masciandaro Photography

Posts: 143

Westfield, New Jersey, US

Thanks guys... exactly what I was looking for.

Oct 30 17 10:08 am Link

Photographer

Randy Poe

Posts: 1638

Green Cove Springs, Florida, US

I am not familiar with that device so I cannot speak on it but I have tried other infrared triggers that worked very bad in some outdoor conditions.

You can get a pretty silly long range out of a cheap Yognuo trigger. Perhaps setting other triggers out of site along the path to the lights you want to have go off and you could basically run a repeater system to trigger your lights from the vantage spot.

Say a fresh trigger every 100 feet until it reaches. one behind the mail box, another behind the yard gnome ect.

30 bucks a pair.

Oct 31 17 11:40 pm Link

Photographer

Charlie Schmidt

Posts: 855

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Mike Collins wrote:
They make others with phone jacks.

I m pretty sure this was a typo...they Don't make ones with phone jacks......
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3cbb73e1-db5e-4be6-93b7-eb915f8514ef_1.c8b7f7b7042957a19eed10e582c8cfec.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

Nov 01 17 06:00 am Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

Mike Collins wrote:
They make others with phone jacks.

Charlie Schmidt wrote:
I m pretty sure this was a typo...they Don't make ones with phone jacks

not a typo, more specifically - 1/4" phone jack (also 1/4" monoplug)

the current "phone jack" is technically a RJ-11 in regulated used only since around 1980:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
some time before that, in the dark ages (and before automatic telephone switching system and "direct dialing") there was the "telephone switchboard operator" who did the switching by hand, plugging in your telephone line plug into the jack on a board of the person you were calling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchboard_operator
https://i0.wp.com/www.owlguru.com/wp-content/uploads/wpallimport/files/Switchboard-Operators-Including-Answering-Service/__(4).jpg
the boards, their plugs and jacks, used a 1/4 inch "phone plug" - hence the name:
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&k … 6mnvbj87_e

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/Wein_W930015_SSL_E_Ultra_Slave_1342470218000_63286.jpg

Nov 01 17 07:00 am Link

Photographer

Charlie Schmidt

Posts: 855

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:

Mike Collins wrote:
They make others with phone jacks.

not a typo, more specifically - 1/4" phone jack (also 1/4" monoplug)

Not a "JACK" ...but a phono "plug"

Nov 01 17 07:29 am Link

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JONATHAN RICHARD

Posts: 778

New York, New York, US

Mike Collins wrote:
They make others with phone jacks.

Charlie Schmidt wrote:
I m pretty sure this was a typo...they Don't make ones with phone jacks

Not to mention these
ADORAMA  Trigger Phone Jack

https://www.adorama.com/images/Large/mrds3.jpg

BnH- Mono Plug

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images750x750/1311714252000_63341.jpg

BnH- Minijack plug

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images750x750/1340747689000_50433.jpg

BnH Min-phone -pin

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/1304088328000_764715.jpg

FLASH ZEBRA miniphone plug

https://flashzebra.com/products/0127/0127.jpg
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Nov 01 17 07:35 am Link

Photographer

Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
the boards, their plugs and jacks, used a 1/4 inch "phone plug" - hence the name

Charlie Schmidt wrote:
Not a "JACK" ...but a phono "plug"

that is somewhat petty, simply referring to the original post

Mike Collins wrote:
They make others with phone jacks.

currently, more common for photographers to call them sync connectors in 1/4" and 1/8" (3.5mm). at any rates, it does not refer to a RJ-11 connector.

Nov 01 17 07:40 am Link

Photographer

Charlie Schmidt

Posts: 855

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
the boards, their plugs and jacks, used a 1/4 inch "phone plug" - hence the name

Charlie Schmidt wrote:
Not a "JACK" ...but a phono "plug"

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
that is somewhat petty, simply referring to the original post
currently, more common for photographers to call them sync connectors in 1/4" and 1/8" (3.5mm). at any rates, it does not refer to a RJ-11 connector.

WOAH - not trying to be petty -- was trying to be accurate - no trying to offend anyone...serious thought it was a typo...i did not understand there was confusion on you end about jacks and plugs... it is possible that someone could get the wrong idea and search for a Phone Jack?!?!

Nov 01 17 08:27 am Link

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Mike Collins

Posts: 2880

Orlando, Florida, US

LMAO!  Tomato, tamoto.  I guess it's just a carry over from the days head"phones" used the larger size plug so we/I called it a head..."phone" jack.

Nov 01 17 11:57 am Link

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Charlie Schmidt

Posts: 855

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Mike Collins wrote:
LMAO!  Tomato, tamoto.  I guess it's just a carry over from the days head"phones" used the larger size plug so we/I called it a head..."phone" jack.

that plug actually came from the "Phono"graph...and all the guys making crystal radios...interesting how that same, low tech. invention has lasted all these years.... traditionally, if it sticks out it is considered male, and a plug (plugs up the hole)....  If you stick something in it it is female and a jack.......  this may not be politically correct anymore..... 

thanks for your thoughts

Nov 01 17 01:20 pm Link

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henrybutz New York

Posts: 3923

Ronkonkoma, New York, US

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
the current "phone jack" is technically a RJ-11 in regulated used only since around 1980:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
some time before that, in the dark ages (and before automatic telephone switching system and "direct dialing") there was the "telephone switchboard operator" who did the switching by hand, plugging in your telephone line plug into the jack on a board of the person you were calling:

The "Wheel" was invented in 3500BC and is still in use today.  The age of a device does not necessarily influence its obsolescence.

(goes for headphone jacks, too)

Nov 17 17 06:00 am Link

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martin b

Posts: 2770

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

damn I haven't seen those wein slaves in quite a while.  Tiger's eyes also are great.  I used to use extension cords to get them up to the windows then put some gaffers and black wrap on it and make it face your other strobes. 

Is it still called a slave?  Tiger's eye?  Black wrap?

I was feeling offended by the thought of being called a mini male plug somehow.  haha.

Nov 17 17 06:31 am Link

Photographer

Frozen Instant Imagery

Posts: 4152

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Mike Collins wrote:
LMAO!  Tomato, tamoto.  I guess it's just a carry over from the days head"phones" used the larger size plug so we/I called it a head..."phone" jack.

If you keep reading you'll see that it's called a "phone plug" because it was used on telephone switchboards (one of the other posters included a photograph). If you ever watch black and white movies you may catch a glimpse of an operator connecting an incoming call to a particular extension by plugging a phone plug into a socket. Yes, it got reused on headphone (and electric guitars) because it was a robust connector and cheaply available (because they made a lot of them!), but the name is not derived from headphones.

Nov 19 17 11:56 am Link