Select Models wrote:
Anyone else dealin with this?...

Nope.  But then again, the people I hang out with are old and just barely figured out how to make phone calls.

Nice port.  Very kick ass!

Keith Moody wrote:

the people I hang out with are old and just barely figured out how to make phone calls.

Hmmmmm... OK... cool... so what's workin best for them?   Smoke signals?... Carrier Pigeons... Night-time spotlight SOS's?  Those were definitely big hits in the past few hundred years...

Select Models wrote:

Hmmmmm... OK... cool... so what's workin best for them?   Smoke signals?... Carrier Pigeons... Night-time spotlight SOS's?  Those were definitely big hits in the past few hundred years...

I use US mail.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
I use US mail.

Cool... haven't heard of any self-mailing mental disorders associated with the USPS yet... I think you're safe...

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
You wouldn't believe the amount of 'models' that try to become MM members with NOTHING but selfies... and really terrible ones at that... in their portfolio.

The MM rules state that not even one selfie is permitted.  It's amazing how so many of them will resubmit the same pictures after the profile is denied.

I guess they think that we'll be overcome by their intrinsic radiant beauty and make an exception and gladly allow them to enter the MM world.

My feeling:  "You're not a model unless someone else is taking the photo".

What's also amazing is how many of them get a pass. I won't mention the MUA & Hair Stylist profiles gaining access with a portfolio full of selfies.

Select Models wrote:
Obsessive SELFIES!... a mental disorder?

Something,  many models on fb seem to need a new profile image often and it surprises Me how many will replace a high quality image from a recent set with a new selfie.

Instagram?....well,

FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
What's also amazing is how many of them get a pass. I won't mention the MUA & Hair Stylist profiles gaining access with a portfolio full of selfies.

None of 'em get a pass.  They can have a perfect portfolio with nothing but photos that appeared on the cover of Vogue, Glamour, Playboy, and Field & Stream but the whole profile will be rejected if there's one selfie in the mix.

Now, what happens AFTER they are approved is a different story, and yes, many of 'em add crappy selfies after they're approved.

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
You wouldn't believe the amount of 'models' that try to become MM members with NOTHING but selfies... and really terrible ones at that... in their portfolio.  ...

My feeling:  "You're not a model unless someone else is taking the photo".

One of my favorite models started modeling when she turned 18.  Before then, she made self-portraits, most of which were nude.  Now, this was 15+ years ago, before smartphone photography was available, but with a tripod & a timer or a long cable release, she found a way.  So, when she started modeling for others, she was better prepared than most.

Lots of photographers, especially here on MM, treat selfies with disdain, but I feel a well-done selfie can be a work of art.  I would also point out that I've seen smartphone images that were more interesting than images made by a $10K camera.

I started learning photography back in the dark ages (i.e. before digital photography).  At my school, beginners learned the basics with a 35mm SLR and basic darkroom work.  Intermediate students used 4x5 view camera & The Zone System.  Advanced students were given a $5 all-plastic Diana camera, with a fixed focal length and maybe 4 exposure settings.  The thinking:  photography (especially "analog photography") is very technical, and students get caught up with all the technical controls they need to master.  But one typically evaluates the quality of an image on two scales -- the technical and the aesthetic.  "Serious" students focus too much on the technical, and by making them use the Diana camera, they need to focus more on the aesthetic.

So, show me good selfies -- I love them. 

Back to the thread topic -- yes, some people get overly obsessed with selfies, and yes, it can be unhealthy.

Select Models wrote:
I wouldn't argue with that finding in the least.  House on fire?... cars crashing around ya?... code blue at the hospital?... work office gettin blasted in Hurricane?... bridge colapsing in Earthquake?... incoming gunfire?... Sorry... my selfies come first..

One of the things that I'm really upset about is the amount of "#Vegas Strong" and "#Pray for Vegas" selfies that appeared after the October 1st tragedy where 58 people were killed and hundreds injured by a man shooting automatic rifles from a hotel room across the street from a country music festival.

Most of the selfie's are just another "hey, look at me... I'm pretty" instead of honoring the dead and injured victims in one of the greatest tragedies seen in America... what the whole #Vegas Strong movement is about.

I find it disgusting to say the least.



It should be THIS:




NOT THIS:

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
It should be THIS:




NOT THIS:

Word up... VEGAS... land of a Trillion selfies... nothin feeds the selfie obsession quite like this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuwfZGDWOio  "But First... Let Me Take A Selfie"

"That's so RATCHET... "That girl is sucha FAKE model... she definitely bought all her Instagram followers"!     LMAO!   
(possible Vegas club action here)

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
IMHO
A serious self portrait and a Selfie are 2 different animals

Thank you...as someone who does quite a bit of self portrait work and makes a decent amount selling it, I really dislike my photos being referred to as selfies. Especially when the camera is clear across the room anyway.

Sometimes I wonder if people just don't know this or if they're saying it to belittle self portrait work. I think the person above falls squarely in the former category though as he clearly seems to understand there are different quality levels.

I still hate when people tell me "nice selfies" about photos in my Model Society portfolio though.

Liv Sage wrote:
Thank you...as someone who does quite a bit of self portrait work and makes a decent amount selling it, I really dislike my photos being referred to as selfies. Especially when the camera is clear across the room anyway.

Sometimes I wonder if people just don't know this or if they're saying it to belittle self portrait work. I think the person above falls squarely in the former category though as he clearly seems to understand there are different quality levels.

I still hate when people tell me "nice selfies" about photos in my Model Society portfolio though.

I can understand your frustration at people lumping in your serious work in the same category as selfies
I love this photographers Self portrait work
I attended an Artist talk she gave at School of Visual arts
About as far from "Selfie" as you can get
http://time.com/3802764/the-most-intima … otherhood/
https://www.lensculture.com/articles/el … still-love

Contrast this

Liv Sage wrote:
Her work is so nice - thank you for the links!

+1

Shot By Adam wrote:
I've had models on set be more pre-occupied with selfies and IG on shoots from time to time but after a while, they eventually mellow out. I did have one model who just wouldn't stop and right as I was about to say something to her the client walked over to her, bitched her out, told her that if she couldn't put her phone down then was welcome to leave and I was laughing behind the camera for 10 minutes.

Thanks for the imput... I've seen scenario's simular to this played out by models during paid 'one on one' shoots at SM events.  They refuse to put their phones down until 'that guy holding her paycheck' complains...

Select Models wrote:

Thanks for the imput... I've seen scenario's simular to this played out by models during paid 'one on one' shoots at SM events.  They refuse to put their phones down until 'that guy holding her paycheck' complains...

That is outrageous and I would never tolerate it as a photographer or as a model.  I would want it in writing beforehand that nobody at the shoot would abuse their phones during said shoot.  I just recently got my first ever cellphone (in June), and it is only for phone calls.  I've never sent or received a text in my life, and I don't even want to start.  I'm actually proud that I have no clue regarding that whole culture.  I have one self-portrait in my portfolio that I took with my Nikon D90, and I wouldn't want anyone calling it a "selfie".  That would be an insult.

Eugenya wrote:
I just recently got my first ever cellphone (in June), and it is only for phone calls.  I've never sent or received a text in my life,

This is 2018... and this is blowing me away.  If you were to make such a statement within a group of photographers and models in Southern California, their jaws would HIT THE FLOOR!...

Select Models wrote:

This is 2018... and this is blowing me away.  If you were to make such a statement within a group of photographers and models in Southern California, their jaws would HIT THE FLOOR!...

That would make my year, to be honest.  I would take myself out for dinner if that happened to me.

Eugenya wrote:

That would make my year, to be honest.  I would take myself out for dinner if that happened to me.

OMG... LOL... well tell this story at any 'Taco Tuesday' here in SoCal... and half a dozen photographers will buy dinner for ya...

Eugenya wrote:

That is outrageous and I would never tolerate it as a photographer or as a model.  I would want it in writing beforehand that nobody at the shoot would abuse their phones during said shoot.  I just recently got my first ever cellphone (in June), and it is only for phone calls.  I've never sent or received a text in my life, and I don't even want to start.  I'm actually proud that I have no clue regarding that whole culture.  I have one self-portrait in my portfolio that I took with my Nikon D90, and I wouldn't want anyone calling it a "selfie".  That would be an insult.

I can't tell by looking which is your self portrait.  I didn't check the credits because that would be irrelevant if I can't tell by looking.  I would hope people would understand the difference between a self portrait and a selfie, however, I suspect that it is a distinction that will disappear for the masses.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:

I can't tell by looking which is your self portrait.  I didn't check the credits because that would be irrelevant if I can't tell by looking.  I would hope people would understand the difference between a self portrait and a selfie, however, I suspect that it is a distinction that will disappear for the masses.

It's the first photo on the second row.  For me, a "selfie" is a shot that is taken more casually and quickly with a cellphone camera, and is more of an "in the moment" sort of activity.  A self-portrait is a shot that a lot more thought and effort goes into and reveals part of the inner self in an artistic way.

TomFRohwer wrote:
In 2000 years archeologists will puzzle over a weird phenomenon.

That's quite a stretch.  I'm quite sure that in 2000 years... computers will be solving all the puzzles and archeologists will be non-existant...

Eugenya wrote:
I just recently got my first ever cellphone (in June), and it is only for phone calls.  I've never sent or received a text in my life,

Select Models wrote:
This is 2018... and this is blowing me away.  If you were to make such a statement within a group of photographers and models in Southern California, their jaws would HIT THE FLOOR!...

Well, I used to be on the cutting edge of technology.  I was on the Internet around 1978, before it was called the "Internet".  I was a beta tester for Quicken.  I remember how folks said that Microsoft Excel would never replace Lotus 1-2-3.  I also was a beta tester for "palmtop PC" back in the early 1990s, used for calendar, contacts, 1-2-3, notes, etc.

I still don't own a smartphone.  I'm landline all the way.

But to be honest, I'm thinking about getting a cheap one, just for Lyft / Uber and GPS directions.  I would set it up so that incoming calls (except Lyft / Uber) would go to trash.  Don't want one.

I'll still carry around my point & shoot camera, however.

Laura UnBound wrote:
someone took a new selfie in order to exhibit extreme vanity during some tragedy.

Oh that happened on a few instances IM SURE.  Some of the instagram's biggest attention whores have no shame...

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
None of 'em get a pass.

I think We both know better than that, at least I do.  I'm on the gate daily.

Select Models wrote:

That's quite a stretch.  I'm quite sure that in 2000 years... computers will be solving all the puzzles and archeologists will be non-existant...

Especially computers will not be able to understand this very special desease...

TomFRohwer wrote:
Especially computers will not be able to understand this very special desease...

Not only will they be able to understand it... but they will also be able to spell DISEASE correctly...

Select Models wrote:
I wouldn't argue with that finding in the least.  House on fire?... cars crashing around ya?... code blue at the hospital?... work office gettin blasted in Hurricane?... bridge colapsing in Earthquake?... incoming gunfire?... Sorry... my selfies come first..

I know some majorly narcisistic IG primadonnas who can't even put the cell down during paid shoots...
Anyone else dealin with this?...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/767768753 … l-disorder

I'm pretty new still and have only worked with about a hundred models, so no, haven't had that problem yet.
BUT, all my Models have been TF, so that's probably the culprit right there! When I start doing paid shoots, I'm sure the problem will start!
On the rare occasion that a model brings a friend, the friend will usually take a few cell snaps though!
It's probably just movie star syndrome in your area...., not to many movie stars here, just waitresses!!!  LoL
John

John Silva Photography wrote:
It's probably just movie star syndrome in your area...., not to many movie stars here, just waitresses!

Hate to be the bearer of bad news to ya... but this 'movie star syndrome' you speak of is rapidly taking over PLANET EARTH... not just 'my area'.  It's a teenage girl 'mindset and mentality' running rampant thru-out every high school and junior college AROUND THE WORLD... and THIS BAND has king-pinned the movement....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuwfZGDWOio