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Here is a great example why a model release and contract is vital for models as well as photographers: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail … dfd7c1406e Feb 20 18 03:18 pm Link A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: model release has nothing to do with this matter. Feb 20 18 03:22 pm Link Eagle Rock Photographer wrote: +1 Feb 20 18 04:20 pm Link Every shoot should use a contract. Every? I don't think that's necessary or practical. First, as folks have already pointed out, this issue has nothing to do with a model release. Second, a contract is a legally binding agreement signed by all parties concerned. Contracts written by amateurs tend to be confusing, inconsistent, incomplete, and thereby worthless. Further, any contract that goes into the detail that specifies the conditions of copyright law is likely to be dozens of pages long, which would (for me, at least) require the (expensive) vetting by an appropriate professional lawyer. Then again, I'm not likely to be photographing internationally famous superstar models. On the other hand, I think it is prudent to have an e-mail exchange that specifies & documents the expectations of both parties, and that exchange should specify what that model can & cannot do with the resulting images. Feb 20 18 04:48 pm Link Yes, I get a signed model release for anything I shoot but this case is about Intellectual Property. If there is money being exchanged or you’re doing Pro Bona then you need to draft an Estimate which needs to be signed. It states what you will deliver, what the other party can expect and how they are authorized to do with the images. Feb 20 18 06:03 pm Link This has nothing to do with contracts or releases or any such document. But let's use this thread to discuss the actual issue, which, as has been identified, is actually about copyright infringement. So, Gigi posted what appears to be a copy of Cepeda's image on her Insta. Based on Cepeda's rant on Petapixel, it seems like the image on Gigi's Insta post was actually taken from the Daily Mail, to which Cepeda had sold the pic. (BTW, the offending image appears to have been removed from her account). So my questions are these: can a celeb not post a pic that appears in a publication on her Insta? Was a lawsuit really necessary, or was her Insta post being leveraged by the photographer as a way to call attention to himself? Couldn't this guy have just posted on Gigi's Insta, saying "Hey Gigi glad you liked the photo I took of you from @DailyMail!" and be done with it? There seem to be no updates on this matter since September of last year, when his lawsuit was all over the news. Feb 20 18 06:10 pm Link kickfight wrote: except for the minor fact that she cropped out the credit and removed the copyright information before reposting it. that would trouble me. that's an intentional act. A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: and i would be laughed out of modeling agencies. have tested with many agency models, and never had them sign releases nor required contracts from any of them. things are different with internet freelance newbies. Feb 20 18 08:42 pm Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: Yes, the photo was cropped when it was posted on Instagram, but that was likely just to emphasize the part that shows the altered Adidas logo on the back of the jacket, and not just to excise the credit, which was at the very bottom of the image. Feb 20 18 11:24 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: You do realize that the email exchange constitutes the contract in the absence of anything else? Feb 21 18 10:47 am Link I was going to shoot a few selfies this morning, but trying to understand the legalize of all the contracts involved was just too overwhelming. Feb 21 18 11:06 am Link Virtual Studio wrote: I don't think so. I can send you an e-mail saying that you owe me $1,000 in exchange for some photographic advice I have given you. Is that a binding contract? If so, pay up. Feb 21 18 12:04 pm Link Just because you send an email, it doesn't make it a meeting of the minds. I owe you a grand? You owe me 20 grand. Pay up. Correspondence can serve as evidence of an agreement and what the terms of the agreement are. Feb 21 18 12:32 pm Link kickfight wrote: No they cannot just use an image without a license from the copyright owner. The DM had a license to use the image, the celeb did not. The photographer appears to have taken legal action to recover the loss of earnings (had the model licensed it correctly and all the people who then took it from her insta acc) and to re-assert his ownership of the image. kickfight wrote: Yes press photographers make their living by licensing their images to the media. I imagine she settled out of court. Feb 21 18 01:53 pm Link Darren Brade wrote: Yeah, that's the part that remains ambiguous... even if she had actually licensed it just so she could post it on her Insta, the people who screencapped it and then used the screencap to illustrate their articles would have ostensibly been in violation, because they didn't license the image. Darren Brade wrote: Sure, but in this specific case it seems that this "freelance news and celebrity photographer" was trying to supplement his "living" via lawsuit. Feb 21 18 02:36 pm Link Model releases are a contract, but what most models miss is that they have zero rights in the image. They can prevent their image from being used commercially in the US, but unless the "model release" provides them with a copyright license, they are in violation of copyright law when they repost it. My model releases all directly address copyright. If it is TFP, the contract usually gives the model a non-commercial license. If the model pays, it gives the model a commercial license. If I'm paying, the model gets a license to use images for self-promotion only (usually -- each shoot can be different). We all call the contract a "model release", but it really is a "right of publicity and copyright license", capable of giving the model a license to use the image and the photographer a license to use the model's likeness commercially. There are some really wonky cases that cross all of the wires. There was a case that came down a week or two ago saying that inline linking (so my site uses the IMG tag and grabs the image off of a third party server) is copyright infringement. There was a case a few years ago that said that an actress had a copyright in how she held her body and presented herself (that case was overturned). Because judges often don't get it and because cases can go sideways, I try to use a contract every time and broadly cover a lot of contingencies. The "model release" for nudes, of course, should also normally include 2257 record keeping information, but that is a really complex issue (unclear whether 2257 is ultimately going to be found constitutional in many situations). Feb 21 18 07:02 pm Link A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: Is it a contract if it is only signed by one party? A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: Sounds to me that you are merging a model release & a usage license together on one page. Do you sign this document, too? Feb 21 18 07:36 pm Link A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: Debatable. Some documents addressing issues of release such as permission to use forms are not written in contractual language. Even when releases are contractual, it doesnt make issues of copyright and issues of release one and the same as you have made them out to be. A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: Model releases don’t provide copyright license or usage rights. That’s not at all what model releases are about. A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: Model releases are not about copyright. A Sight Worth Seeing wrote: 2257 requirements are not a part of model release, they are driven by different legislation. Feb 22 18 07:17 pm Link DP Feb 22 18 07:17 pm Link Some photographers - even some you would think know better - meld model release language and usage license language into a single document. Not what I consider "best practices". Best to use two separate documents. Some model releases are definitely contracts. Others are not, but exactly what is required for an enforceable release that isn't a contract can vary quite a bit from state to state. In general, I recommend to my clients to use a form of model release that is a written contract, and specifically recites consideration. A properly phrased contract that recites model release language meets the legal requirements of all states in the U.S., and thus avoids needing to know what a particular state's requirements for a release are. Another major shortcoming of a model release that is not a contract is that, in many states, the model can revoke the release. The challenge of a contract is proving that the consideration was provided. A fair number of "experts" assert that this means you should only use a release, since consideration is not required. If you believe that's a good way to go, re-read the above paragraph more carefully. Not all contracts need to be signed by both parties. It is typically enough, especially with contracts that are model releases, for the release to be signed by "the party to be charged" - which is legalese for saying "the person against whom you want to enforce the contract." That is the model, thus, in general, only the model needs to sign. The foregoing is specifically limited to U.S. law. UK law has some interesting wrinkles, and German/French law has a few others. This isn't the time or place to discuss those. Nothing of the above is legal advice that any reader is permitted to rely upon. None of you are my clients, and we have no attorney-client relationship. Seek the advice of your own attorney for guidance that you can rely upon. Mar 06 18 01:10 am Link |