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Camera Buff

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Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

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The disturbing true story of the Afghan Girl photo
https://www.facebook.com/NorthrupPhotog … 767503493/

Afghan Girl Follow-up: Corrections, sources & answers
https://www.facebook.com/NorthrupPhotog … 1511220824

Mar 12 19 06:21 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Interesting

Thanks for sharing

Mar 12 19 07:58 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Many issues wrapped up in that.  I think one is that today we see a much larger emphasis placed on people's "right" to always feel comfortable, where I think in the past there was a greater emphasis placed on principles of justice, freedom of speech, etc.  As the second video indicates, in the end the woman was happy her photo was taken and raised awareness, even though it made her uncomfortable at that time.  I think we need to be careful about judging past events by modern day standards. 

I think it's also important to keep in mind this is an area of the world where people are being stoned to death in the streets without trial, where people are having their hands cut off based on an unproven accusation of theft and where people are being beheaded for a number or reasons, these events often being staged specifically for the purpose of being recorded.  It seems to me feeling uncomfortable pales in comparison to such events.     

We can certainly find examples of people in western countries  who have felt very uncomfortable due to the presence of photojournalists.  I think balancing rights such as rights of privacy against rights like freedom of the press will long be issues worthy of debate and discussion.

Mar 12 19 08:45 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9779

Bellingham, Washington, US

Meanwhile Facebook, Google, Amazon and others are tracking your every purchase, your every visit (including medical) etc. and gathering data about you. There are surveillance cameras in retail outlets, gas stations, supermarkets, casinos, everywhere.

When I set up my phone I did not allow access to the internet and turned off every Google function I could find. I don't think you can turn the microphone off but you can keep your phone in a lower pocket instead of up by your face.
Everybody has a cell phone and if you are in proximity or somebody tags you on Facebook using their phone, that is added to the record.

My laptop microphone is turned all the way down. The camera has a small piece of tape over it. I do use the internet at home and I do get ads targeting previous purchases on there.

"They" are watching - 24-7-365. In some ways they know more about you than you do!

Mar 12 19 09:05 am Link

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kickfight

Posts: 35054

Portland, Oregon, US

Good stuff, substantial food for thought. Just more reminders that we're surrounded by information-products selling ideology. It's always been that way, but the ethical considerations are now more important than ever, because the consequences can no longer be avoided or merely dismissed.

Mar 12 19 11:49 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Abbitt Photography wrote:
Many issues wrapped up in that.  I think one is that today we see a much larger emphasis placed on people's "right" to always feel comfortable, where I think in the past there was a greater emphasis placed on principles of justice, freedom of speech, etc.  As the second video indicates, in the end the woman was happy her photo was taken and raised awareness, even though it made her uncomfortable at that time.  I think we need to be careful about judging past events by modern day standards. 

I think it's also important to keep in mind this is an area of the world where people are being stoned to death in the streets without trial, where people are having their hands cut off based on an unproven accusation of theft and where people are being beheaded for a number or reasons, these events often being staged specifically for the purpose of being recorded.  It seems to me feeling uncomfortable pales in comparison to such events.     

We can certainly find examples of people in western countries  who have felt very uncomfortable due to the presence of photojournalists.  I think balancing rights such as rights of privacy against rights like freedom of the press will long be issues worthy of debate and discussion.

2 things in response ....

Do You know that in Fundamentalist Muslim Countries that there can be harsh punishment for women who show their faces . allow themselves thier faces to be photographed and published , and associate with men who are not part of their family ?

ISIS filmed executions of  people( for various beliefs and actions they deemed wrong ) for propaganda purposes -and You may well have seen some of those videos . But there are a number of Countries in that region that publically execute people for various crimes against society .government and religion . Saudi Arablia frequently publically executes people for various crimes ( 48 public executions alone during the first 4 mos of 2018   ) I dont think such executions would qualify as " staged events specificaly for being recorded "..And I doubt that many people in the West have seen videos of these executions

Mar 12 19 01:34 pm Link

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John Silva Photography

Posts: 590

Fairfield, California, US

There are those that will take the shot and win Pulitzer Prizes....., AND there are those that will NEVER win the Pulitzer because they were TOO timid and respectful to take the shot!!!

Mar 12 19 08:56 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

John Silva Photography wrote:
There are those that will take the shot and win Pulitzer Prizes....., AND there are those that will NEVER win the Pulitzer because they were TOO timid and respectful to take the shot!!!

And there are those who take the shot . win the Pulitzer Prize and commit suicide later ( haunted by what they saw . guilt ridden for not having helped in the situation )

https://allthatsinteresting.com/kevin-carter

Mar 13 19 01:00 am Link

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Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Garry k wrote:
2 things in response ....

Do You know that in Fundamentalist Muslim Countries that there can be harsh punishment for women who show their faces . allow themselves thier faces to be photographed and published , and associate with men who are not part of their family ?

ISIS filmed executions of  people( for various beliefs and actions they deemed wrong ) for propaganda purposes -and You may well have seen some of those videos . But there are a number of Countries in that region that publically execute people for various crimes against society .government and religion . Saudi Arablia frequently publically executes people for various crimes ( 48 public executions alone during the first 4 mos of 2018   ) I dont think such executions would qualify as " staged events specificaly for being recorded "..And I doubt that many people in the West have seen videos of these executions

Yes, I realize things are different in that part of the world, but that's not my point.  My point is photojournalists cover things that are far, far worse and have far greater consequences  than someone feeling uncomfortable.   Another example is a photo journalist who films or photographs someone severely injured rather than rendering life saving assistance. 

There are countless examples of people feeling uncomfortable in front of photojournalists for a large variety of reasons, but if we are going to talk about the ethics of what photojournalists shoot, we can certainly come up with examples where the subject had consequence far more serious than feeling uncomfortable at stake.

Mar 13 19 09:54 am Link

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Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Abbitt Photography wrote:
Yes, I realize things are different in that part of the world, but that's not my point.  My point is photojournalists cover things that are far, far worse and have far greater consequences  than someone feeling uncomfortable.   Another example is a photo journalist who films or photographs someone severely injured rather than rendering life saving assistance. 

There are countless examples of people feeling uncomfortable in front of photojournalists for a large variety of reasons, but if we are going to talk about the ethics of what photojournalists shoot, we can certainly come up with examples where the subject had consequence far more serious than feeling uncomfortable at stake.

So You really think that at the time - she said having her picture taken  made her feel "uncomfortable " My guess it that she didnt speak any English and that was what the Translator told the Photographer or what the Photographer himself intrepreted

In a 2002 Interview Sharbat said she felt "angry " when the photograph was taken

And why wouldnt she ?. She was a Child Refugee who had lost family members and had to flee to strange land ....

And in the supposed sanctuary of an Islamic All Girls School - An Unknown Foreign Adult Male had barged in and wanted to take her picture

Personally If I were in the PHotographers Position - I would not have done the same

Mar 14 19 11:19 pm Link

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Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Garry k wrote:

So You really think that at the time - she said having her picture taken  made her feel "uncomfortable " My guess it that she didnt speak any English and that was what the Translator told the Photographer or what the Photographer himself intrepreted

In a 2002 Interview Sharbat said she felt "angry " when the photograph was taken

And why wouldnt she ?. She was a Child Refugee who had lost family members and had to flee to strange land ....

And in the supposed sanctuary of an Islamic All Girls School - An Unknown Foreign Adult Male had barged in and wanted to take her picture

Garry, again, I understand she was uncomfortable in the presence of the photojournalist and I never claimed it was unreasonable for her to be uncomfortable in his presence.

My points are:

1.  Once can find many, many examples of people feeling uncomfortable being photographed or filmed by photojournalists. Being recorded can make many people uncomfortable for a variety of reasons.  Sharbat is far from the only person who has felt uncomfortable, even very uncomfortable being photographed.  That this photo ended up being very popular, doesn't make her discomfort in any way unique or worse than the thousands of other people who have felt equally uncomfortable or much worse.

2.  There are many examples of photojournalists recording events which have consequences that go far beyond someone feeling uncomfortable.  I'm much more concerned for example about the ethics of a photojournalist letting someone die (by not giving aid they could) than I am about the ethics of someone feeling uncomfortable. 


Garry k wrote:
Personally If I were in the PHotographers Position - I would not have done the same

Personally, I would be a poor photojournalist for similar reasons.

Mar 16 19 11:03 am Link

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Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

People do realize that such a photo would not be allowed to be taken in the West ?

Yes National Geographic does require Personal Release Forms signed by the Subject ( if they are recognizable in the photo ) and of course with a girl of this age a Parents signature would be requred

So ?

Mar 16 19 11:16 am Link

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Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Garry k wrote:
People do realize that such a photo would not be allowed to be taken in the West ?

Yes National Geographic does require Personal Release Forms signed by the Subject ( if they are recognizable in the photo ) and of course with a girl of this age a Parents signature would be requred

So ?

Photojournalism photos used for editorial and news use typically do not require a model release. (1)  at least not in the U.S.  Magazines and other publications frequently publish photos of people and tell stories with no model release.    Pick up any news stand tabloid and you will find photo after photo of people who's photo was taken without their permission, without a release and often in ways that clearly make the subject uncomfortable.   To say this could never happen in the west, is simply not true, it happens all the time. 

1.  https://alj.artrepreneur.com/need-model-release/

"You Can Always Use Someone's Likeness in News Photography"
https://improvephotography.com/48423/model-release/

Mar 16 19 11:59 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Abbitt Photography wrote:

Photojournalism photos used for editorial and news use typically do not require a model release. (1)  at least not in the U.S.  Magazines and other publications frequently publish photos of people and tell stories with no model release.    Pick up any news stand tabloid and you will find photo after photo of people who's photo was taken without their permission, without a release and often in ways that clearly make the subject uncomfortable.   To say this could never happen in the west, is simply not true, it happens all the time. 

1.  https://alj.artrepreneur.com/need-model-release/

"You Can Always Use Someone's Likeness in News Photography"
https://improvephotography.com/48423/model-release/

Yet even the National Geographic Site speaks of the Need for Release to be signed by the Subject of the Photographer

( not so much it appears out of respect for the subject - but so that NG doesnt get sued )

https://help.nationalgeographic.com/cus … ease-form-

Mar 16 19 02:31 pm Link

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Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Garry k wrote:

Yet even the National Geographic Site speaks of the Need for Release to be signed by the Subject of the Photographer

( not so much it appears out of respect for the subject - but so that NG doesnt get sued )

https://help.nationalgeographic.com/cus … ease-form-

All that says is that people who submit photos may be asked to provide a model release form, and of course for some purposes, a model release is required.  The link does not however state that news or editorial work must have a release, and it doesn't say their photographers routinely obtain releases.   The other problem of course is you are referring to a current policy, when the photo in question was taken decades ago. 

The fact remains, many magazines and other news outlets have routinely published photos of people (including people here in the west) without obtaining a model release.  To say the instance in question is somehow unique in this regard and that would never happen in the west simply isn't true.  News outlets have often published images for people taken here in the west with no release obtained (and not required)  I know you'd like to believe she was discriminated against in some unique way in that regard, but that simply isn't the case.

Mar 16 19 05:48 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

exploited not discriminated against

And Who is the better judge of that ?

The Subject or ?

Mar 16 19 06:35 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8196

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

The ethics of journalism regarding photos is more difficult than the ethics of journalism. There seem to be plenty of examples of today's journalists and news providers disregarding ethics. Especially those that are outside of the mainstream, and some inside of the mainstream, because they lack the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability.  It is more propaganda than journalism.

"While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalis … _standards

In photojournalism, these criteria are veiled because a photograph can stand on it's own and is subject to the interpretation of the viewer who does not have the ability to parse the photo as one would a story made of words and phrases.  If a photograph captures a moment in time, does it illustrate the biases of the photographer?

There is some discussion in the OP's link about cropping a photo, resulting in a different telling of the story, but cropping a photo in and off itself, should not be an indication of a lack of ethics.  Even if I am trying to create my image, as much as possible in camera, I am still going to back out before taking the shot because the camera results in a 2x3 image and I may want the final image to be just about any other ratio, so I would need the space to accomplish that.  Also, any framing of any photo, in camera, is still a crop on the real world. 

If a journalist leaves out or embellishes or a falsifies an article, we may learn of it through conflicting reports or from additional sources. Even though the damage may already be done.   Likewise, we depend on the photojournalist to provide "the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability" when providing the context of a photo.  I think back to images from Vietnam.  The little girl after a napalm attack or the individual being executed in the street by an officer- without the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, these photos could mean nearly anything.

Mar 16 19 07:38 pm Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 924

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

If a photojournalist takes an un-orchestrated photograph of an Afghan girl wearing a veil, then this may easily be accepted as being a news picture.

However, I would hope that a photo-journalist who orchestrates the taking of a portrait photograph, would be committed to showing respect and behaving appropriately. Asking a female child, or adult, to remove their veil in order to take their portrait may impinge their subjects cultural, traditional and religious beliefs.

Mar 16 19 09:21 pm Link

Photographer

DCurtis

Posts: 796

San Cristóbal de las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico

life is uncomfortable - let's go shopping.

Apr 29 19 08:10 pm Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 10064

Santa Barbara, California, US

Camera Buff wrote:
https://photographylife.com/the-importa … hotography

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The disturbing true story of the Afghan Girl photo
https://www.facebook.com/NorthrupPhotog … 767503493/

Afghan Girl Follow-up: Corrections, sources & answers
https://www.facebook.com/NorthrupPhotog … 1511220824

I wouldn't put much faith in what Tony says. He got drilled and debunked for that display of character smearing. His second video was also lacking a proper apology if you notice.

Apr 30 19 05:44 pm Link