Forums > Model Colloquy > Samew old question

Photographer

A-T Shay

Posts: 11

London, England, United Kingdom

Hi all,

Sorry but I'm new here and struggle to find model who wants to build their portfolio, I'm willing to shoot for free to build mine as well, any suggestions?

Thanks!

May 23 19 02:00 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11723

Olney, Maryland, US

The browse function is your friend.

May 23 19 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

Vector One Photography

Posts: 3722

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Post a casting. Browse and message all that you want to work with..be ready for 40% not to read your message, another 40% read but don't respond, 15% respond but stop after the first message, 3% start talking back and forth to arrange something but it never works out and finally the 2% that you get to shoot.

Okay, the percentages may be off but you get the general idea.

P.S. my percentages are for the U.S., let me know if the U.K. does better.

May 23 19 08:31 pm Link

Photographer

Chuckarelei

Posts: 11271

Seattle, Washington, US

Vector One Photography wrote:
Post a casting. Browse and message all that you want to work with..be ready for 40% not to read your message, another 40% read but don't respond, 15% respond but stop after the first message, 3% start talking back and forth to arrange something but it never works out and finally the 2% that you get to shoot.

Okay, the percentages may be off but you get the general idea.

P.S. my percentages are for the U.S., let me know if the U.K. does better.

What % will be flake?

May 23 19 11:31 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8179

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

As stated, browse and casting calls.  It is going to take time and patience.  If you want to work trade, concentrate on new people who really need portfolio building.  Be aware that they have joined the site to make money and may not understand they need experience and a good portfolio to generate paling jobs.

Consider supply and demand.   Some models get offers everyday to do trade shoots, including new models.  What about your work will make them want to chose you out of the many offers they get? 

Consider that they may have had multiple bad experiences with doing trade shoots.  Do you have a positive reputation on MM that gives the a comfort zone?  Some of the common complaints models have: 1) The photographer never delivered the images; 2) The photographer delivered images but not the style the model wanted from the shoot= possibly the reason she decided to work with that particular photographer in the first place;  3) The images the photographer delivered were crap; 4) She has plenty of photographs and the landlord and grocer won't accept photos of her in lieu of cash.

May 24 19 01:22 am Link

Photographer

FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 6597

Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

Post a Casting, seek talent in everyday walks of life and on social media.

Keep swinging, someone once described the process of sourcing Models as like pouring liquid through a funnel.

May 24 19 02:17 am Link

Photographer

A-T Shay

Posts: 11

London, England, United Kingdom

Thanks a lot for all your comments, all true, % is also right. Contacted about 100 people and 2 shared their numbers to set a time and location, I'll keep it up, maybe a few times per week, as there are many models around .

May 24 19 05:57 am Link

Model

Madison Mayne

Posts: 35

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Do you have any model/photographer Facebook groups where you live? In Vancouver we have several and most of it is TF. Maybe see if you have anything like that locally in your area.

May 24 19 07:57 am Link

Photographer

James Lawson Photo

Posts: 99

North Kingstown, Rhode Island, US

Finding faces and people to shoot is not hard. Use friends and family and work on what it is you are trying to create. I looked at your portofolio and I cant tell what that is? A model looking to build hers or his isnt going to know what they will get from you, because your portfolio is a bit all over the place. One or two great images in a port is a lot more of a statement than 25 random ones. I'm also going to say this, your profile description doesn't match what you have posted. You talk about international recognition, well, you cant state stuff like that without providing a source of proof. Also, you mention a studio, but none of your images look like they came from a studio. I may seem a bit critical, but if your starting out, you have to focus on basics, not where all the models are. Last, this place is model-wanna-be-need-to-make-quick-buck-mayhem. People come here thinking it's an easy way to make some money, then get inundated with requests from people producing not much more than low quality soft porn, which a very large portion of this site is. That drives alot of people away with the quickness.

Jun 10 19 04:42 pm Link

Model

Jen B

Posts: 4474

Phoenix, Arizona, US

A-T Shay wrote:
Hi all,

Sorry but I'm new here and struggle to find model who wants to build their portfolio, I'm willing to shoot for free to build mine as well, any suggestions?

Thanks!

Hello,

If you are up for a critique on your portfolio selections I'd say post in the critique forum. Granted while that could help it really won't change the model percentages likely.
Jen

Jun 11 19 05:40 am Link

Photographer

PHP-Photography

Posts: 1390

Vaasa, Ostrobothnia, Finland

Jen B wrote:
If you are up for a critique on your portfolio selections I'd say post in the critique forum.

How would critique from other photographers help ?

"Those who can't do teach".

Jun 11 19 09:01 am Link

Model

Jen B

Posts: 4474

Phoenix, Arizona, US

PHP-Photography wrote:
How would critique from other photographers help ?

"Those who can't do teach".

The critique forum is open to all but all can only critique "in" the critique forum.

If he'd like to ask what would make his portfolio more representative of what models would like to add to their ports by shooting with him, he can ask there. There may be recommendations to trim out certain pictures that are more appealing for photography sake versus model portfolios. Photographers can really give that advice too so, I'm not sure what the quote about those who can't was for. However, I figure you didn't catch what the role of asking for the critique was for here.

Jen

Jun 11 19 11:57 am Link

Photographer

PHP-Photography

Posts: 1390

Vaasa, Ostrobothnia, Finland

Jen B wrote:

However, I figure you didn't catch what the role of asking for the critique was for here.

It *might* be helpful if models give their critique but looking at the posts that ain't happening here.

Jun 11 19 12:28 pm Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9775

Bellingham, Washington, US

PHP-Photography wrote:

It *might* be helpful if models give their critique but looking at the posts that ain't happening here.

It is not allowed here, thus it does not happen. The Model Colloquy forum is not a critique forum.
If the OP wants to post in a critique forum, he may get critique from any MM member.

Simple, no?

Jun 11 19 02:21 pm Link

Photographer

PHP-Photography

Posts: 1390

Vaasa, Ostrobothnia, Finland

Shadow Dancer wrote:

It is not allowed here, thus it does not happen. The Model Colloquy forum is not a critique forum.
If the OP wants to post in a critique forum, he may get critique from any MM member.

Simple, no?

I wasn't talking about this thread.

Jun 11 19 09:44 pm Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9775

Bellingham, Washington, US

PHP-Photography wrote:

I wasn't talking about this thread.

You have a link to the thread you were talking about?
I can't be everywhere! lol

Jun 11 19 10:15 pm Link

Photographer

PHP-Photography

Posts: 1390

Vaasa, Ostrobothnia, Finland

Shadow Dancer wrote:

You have a link to the thread you were talking about?
I can't be everywhere! lol

Any thread in critique forums.

Jun 12 19 07:03 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9775

Bellingham, Washington, US

PHP-Photography wrote:

Any thread in critique forums.

Ahh... since we are speaking in generalizations then generally speaking the forums on this site (with the single possible exception of the models only forum that I have never seen) are dominated by male photographers. USA cultural "norms" expressed in the "real world". I see no hope for change to that paradigm, sadly. In fact, it has gotten much worse over the years, the early years of MM were much more fun and there was much more female participation.

It is the primary reason that the forums are such a cultural and creative wasteland.

As to those who "do" or "teach", if those who "do" had not taught me, I never would have learned much. So you are "1 for 1" on generalizations in my book.
Cheers,
Michael

Jun 12 19 09:46 am Link

Photographer

Angel House Portraits

Posts: 323

Orlando, Florida, US

Madison Mayne wrote:
Do you have any model/photographer Facebook groups where you live? In Vancouver we have several and most of it is TF. Maybe see if you have anything like that locally in your area.

I done that and its a portfolio buildup. Someone like your commanding presence would of been a blessing since its a mixed bag at those meets. Some just do not fit the profile of a model. At least what I think of. You never know what your getting. But its also a good way to practice shooting.

Jun 20 19 05:08 am Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Vector One Photography wrote:
Post a casting. Browse and message all that you want to work with..be ready for 40% not to read your message, another 40% read but don't respond, 15% respond but stop after the first message, 3% start talking back and forth to arrange something but it never works out and finally the 2% that you get to shoot.

Okay, the percentages may be off but you get the general idea.

P.S. my percentages are for the U.S., let me know if the U.K. does better.

What you say matches my experience. I guess it's some comfort to know I'm not alone.

Jun 29 19 04:31 am Link

Photographer

Kuttlefishfoto

Posts: 87

Vancouver, Washington, US

Instagram seems to be very advantageous. At least it has been for me and most of my local peers.

Jul 05 19 01:07 am Link