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Agata Sz

Posts: 65

Irvine, California, US

...different ways to utilize.

So, as some of you know I started few topics business related.
Many of us want to be models, but reality is a lot of us need to make it on our own (freelancing).

I have been looking for this ideal crowdfunding website. Found onlyfans as similar to instagram and it seems fairly easy to navigate and make money. Problem is... subscribers will only expect and want you to post nude pics...

My concept of modeling was to create a beautiful picture, not cheaply showing ass or tits. People on onlyfans would probably not appreciate that as I see most girls just post selfies, quick nudes, etc. It is like entertaining bored men online who live in conservative countries or are married.

So there must be better way of making money. Or making use of the photos. Idea was to collaborate with photographers and do a fair share of sales. What website would you suggest to independently sell High quality images for print? I don't feel comfortable doing this onlyfans and be entertainer or do you know of and think that lingerie art studio pics will be still popular and appreciated? Even just implied nude. Full nudity while not being protected by agency just does not sound like a good idea.

I see big models making their own calendars, coffee table books etc. which is fantastic and classy idea, but they have huge socials so they can make living off it. I need a classy way to utilize modeling.

Thoughts?

Sep 29 19 05:00 pm Link

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Eros Fine Art Photo

Posts: 3097

Torrance, California, US

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? 

The main problem, is that the internet is basically an ocean filled with billions of images ranging from cute kittens to hardcore porn and everything in between.  What incentive do people have to pay for images of a model in a bikini, when all they need to do is Google the word "bikini" and click on the images tab?

I'd say the models who are making money on Onlyfans have to work really hard to control the content they put out there, because once it's placed on another site there's no way to prevent it from being copied millions of times over.  We saw that with the hacking of celebrity cloud accounts a few years back.  Didn't matter that these people never wanted those photos to be shown to the world, millions of people saw them for free and the celebrities didn't get one penny for their exposure. 

I don't think you need to be a nude model to get a following on OnlyFans, but you do need to stand out from the masses.  You need a large following on social media and regular updates.  I think the best thing for that is a mixture of professional looking photos shoots combined with some selfies and everyday activities (i.e. going out to the beach, or lunch, a club, etc).  Once you have the following, then you start to limit the amount of pro shots to your paid sites.  If you're only comfortable with bikini and lingerie, then only post those images on OnlyFan but give teasers on IG and Twitter. 

In essence, leave them wanting something more.  Even if it's just sexier images, you're likely to get some followers.  Of course, models who post nude and/or pornographic content will likely get a lot more followers; but some people just want to be fans of someone they find appealing.  A ton of celebrities don't post nude content and still have large followings, so what's to stop you from doing the same?  You have a great look, you just have to promote it frequently and aggressively to get noticed. 

I have an IG page, but I simply can't get into posting every single day.  It's too much work and I have other responsibilities that take up my time.  If you make it your job though, then you can probably build it up but it'll take some time.

Sep 29 19 05:50 pm Link

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Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22196

Santa Cruz, California, US

Yes, onlyfans is primarily popular with/viewed by adult audiences, so that would be the most profitable content to post there. Another option is Patreon, which has a broader focus on artists and creators of various categories. My understanding is that you need to work pretty hard for a profitable audience on Patreon (or onlyfans, for that matter), which includes using FB, IG, and Twitter to promote your content to potential subscribers.

Oct 02 19 03:44 pm Link

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Francisco Castro

Posts: 2629

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

If you intend to make money sharing content, you can't view the different platforms (FB, Insta, Twitter, Patreon, etc.) as separate. You need to see them as parts of a whole; the whole that is your Media footprint. One has to work hard on FB, and Instagram, and Twitter and every single free platform there is that can DRIVE AND FUNNEL TRAFFIC to your paid sites.

It's a lot of work, even for those who are already established. Before people will pay up, you  have to pre-empt the question, "What do I get in return?". What will giving you money give them that they can't get for free?

You use the other free platform to create relationships with people, and in those relationships, the value of the content in your paid sites will be being able to connect with you in ways that isn't avalilable on the free sites.

DRIVE AND FUNNEL. That's the key.

Oct 02 19 05:41 pm Link

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WB Photography

Posts: 22

San Antonio, Texas, US

I think the "why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free" argument is valid I have several subscribers to my Onlyfans page but I get so many more people messaging me for free samples.

Oct 06 19 07:09 am Link

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Shameless

Posts: 15

Los Angeles, California, US

Francisco Castro wrote:
If you intend to make money sharing content, you can't view the different platforms (FB, Insta, Twitter, Patreon, etc.) as separate. You need to see them as parts of a whole; the whole that is your Media footprint. One has to work hard on FB, and Instagram, and Twitter and every single free platform there is that can DRIVE AND FUNNEL TRAFFIC to your paid sites.

It's a lot of work, even for those who are already established. Before people will pay up, you  have to pre-empt the question, "What do I get in return?". What will giving you money give them that they can't get for free?

You use the other free platform to create relationships with people, and in those relationships, the value of the content in your paid sites will be being able to connect with you in ways that isn't avalilable on the free sites.

DRIVE AND FUNNEL. That's the key.

Could not agree more. Great simplistic explanation of how a traffic funnel works.

May 17 20 03:14 pm Link

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Shameless

Posts: 15

Los Angeles, California, US

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This is not the place to promote your other business.

May 17 20 03:21 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9777

Bellingham, Washington, US

Some thoughts.

Differentiate yourself. Don't try to compete, create your own exclusive category. Re-Invent yourself, be unique.

There are more than enough swimsuit models, be something else. Take advantage of being foreign, exotic. Play that card, just for one. Connect with your viewers, photos are static. Video can provide more connection.

Take control, become the content creator. Don't be dependent on others for content creation, you need the speed and freedom of doing that yourself. Create tension and release. If possible, be funny, very funny. At least some of the time.

Some friends of mine have grouped together to perfrom burlesque. Tragedy, comedy, insinuation, innuendo. The "reveal" means slowly going through stages of dishebille down to more or less swim suits or lingerie. They never strip, are never nude.
Once in a while one of the will slowly remove her top as she struts off the stage with her back turned to the audience. Nothing is shown, ever.
I have some photos in my port from a performance. They packed a 200+ capacity club at $12 a head, not bad. Can't do that in real life now but live streaming could work.

If you have any pets, incorporate them - especially if they can be persuaded to perfom amusing acts. People LOVE pets.

If you try to complete, you will be one in a million. Be THE ONE of a million instead, that's the goal. Cheers, SD

May 24 20 07:42 pm Link

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DTP - Photography

Posts: 76

Chesapeake, Virginia, US

WB Photography wrote:
I think the "why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free" argument is valid I have several subscribers to my Onlyfans page but I get so many more people messaging me for free samples.

Photogs can have an Onlyfans page?

May 24 20 09:00 pm Link

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AndysPrints

Posts: 533

Falls Church, Virginia, US

Agata Sz wrote:
My concept of modeling was to create a beautiful picture, not cheaply showing ass or tits. People on onlyfans would probably not appreciate that as I see most girls just post selfies, quick nudes, etc. It is like entertaining bored men online who live in conservative countries or are married.

So there must be better way of making money. Or making use of the photos. Idea was to collaborate with photographers and do a fair share of sales. What website would you suggest to independently sell High quality images for print? I don't feel comfortable doing this onlyfans and be entertainer or do you know of and think that lingerie art studio pics will be still popular and appreciated? Even just implied nude. Full nudity while not being protected by agency just does not sound like a good idea.

This is an age old problem for many photographers as well. No one wants to buy a photo of a pretty girl with clothes on. Sure, you can try and try and try but few, if any, succeed. The fact is that sex sells and part of that is nudity. There is an insatiable appetite for nudes and thank goodness. But there is also a market in non nudes. Fortunately, sexy sells in good economic times and bad.

The question is not how do I convince the public to buy something that they don’t want. The question is how do I sell them what they want and still maintain my morals, values and professional integrity?

The answer, for me, has been to focus on anonymity. Tits are tits and asses are asses. If you don’t see the models face and she doesn’t have any identifying tattoos, no one will ever know who it is. So, I essentially make money literally selling tits and ass. If you can’t beat them join them. Non nude photos in clothes can sell. Non nude photos in bikinis and lingerie can sell, if and only if you focus on cleavage and an ass in a thong or a g string.

For the last 10 years, my business model has been to give them what they want so that I can do what I want with their money. Together, the models and I have found a way to generate an income and no one will ever know that the single mom down the street is selling pictures of her ass in a thong to pay for her groceries or a recent college grad is paying her utility bills by shooting upskirt and down-blouse photos.

I’m not saying that it’s easy and I’m not saying that you will get rich but it is nice to have some extra money coming in. Shooting the content is easy. The hard part is selling your content. It takes a while to get established, build relationships and market the work but it will come. You will start out selling direct to consumer and then reach out to other content buyers but like with everything else in life, if you work hard at it, it will begin to pay off.

May 25 20 01:45 am Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 6597

Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

DTP - Photography wrote:
Photogs can have an Onlyfans page?

Yes, if You have an account You have a profile page.

Agata Sz wrote:
Thoughts?

The free accounts on Onlyfans gain large followings fast, the almighty $ is then made by selling the more provocative content.  Engaging and keeping up with demand would be, well, demanding.   

just a thought

May 25 20 03:13 am Link

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Model MoRina

Posts: 6639

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

Agata Sz wrote:
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My concept of modeling was to create a beautiful picture, not cheaply showing ass or tits. People on onlyfans would probably not appreciate that as I see most girls just post selfies, quick nudes, etc. It is like entertaining bored men online who live in conservative countries or are married.
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...... I need a classy way to utilize modeling.

Thoughts?

A lot of women, including me, are not ashamed of our bodies or our sexuality. Everyone has different comfort levels regarding modeling, and that is perfectly normal... you just shouldn't be condescending towards others who show more skin than you do. You don't raise yourself up by pulling others down.

Realistically, regardless of the quality of the image, bikini and lingerie modeling are still basically about flaunting "tits and ass" (to use your terminology.) It doesn't make you classier because you cover your nipples and vulva.

If you have the view that posting pictures is just entertaining bored/married men, I highly recommend you do more research.

May 25 20 05:31 am Link

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Dan Howell

Posts: 3562

Kerhonkson, New York, US

Agata Sz wrote:
My concept of modeling was to create a beautiful picture, not cheaply showing ass or tits. People on onlyfans would probably not appreciate that as I see most girls just post selfies, quick nudes, etc. It is like entertaining bored men online who live in conservative countries or are married.

So there must be better way of making money.

Are you asking or telling us?

I would advise that there is not, nor has there been for likely a long time, a financially viable for soft content (for lack of a better word) for either models or photographers. I think that models get confused by the number of request from photographers for this kind of content and make the assumption that there is an vibrant external commercial market for lingerie/bikini/implied/art content. The scarce high-paying projects for similar images has generally been filled by established fashion models.

I happened to know of one photographer who made a considerable amount of money shooting lingerie/bikini/implied content. How...? He was uploading them to AOL and Compuserv who, at the time, were making money by keeping users online for longer times. THAT is how long ago it seems to have been that there was a commercially viable market. Mostly there is just myths and false promises.

I would advise not participating on OnlyFans if you are not comfortable with their business model rather than trying to change it as an individual.

May 25 20 01:03 pm Link

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Outoffocus

Posts: 631

Worcester, England, United Kingdom

I remember on another site a while back a model posted in defence of only fans work. If I remember correctly the gist of it was that there was fundamentally no difference between posting pics on there and booking shoots with (male) photographers, except that with only fans she didn't have to be in the same room as them. I think she may have put it less politely than that.
What's the point of mentioning that? Well, it demonstrates a firm grip on reality. The pics have got to be sold to somebody at some point and there is really only one thing that sells, at least to a male audience. It turns out that most males don't really give a rat's arse whether the pics are good or bad, shot on a camera phone or a medium format Leica, as long as the content is what they want.

I suppose only fans  gives the guys the illusion of intimacy, and I would guess, but don't know, that models who do well out of it feed that illusion.

An interesting question is whether you could create an illusion that is unusual enough to stand out but that doesn't compromise on what material you want to produce. There was a great film a while back called, I think, American Hustle. The lead female character did a nice line in being upper class English. I know for sure there is a certain kind of man who will be fascinated by that. Hooked, in other words.
It is funny what men will go for. I am a sucker for a Southern Irish female accent. I don't even hear the men, but when a woman from Eire starts to speak I am flat out immobilised.  Have to stop what I am doing and listen.

So to answer your question, why not experiment? If there is no immediate apparent demand, work on creating it. I have had a theory for a while that the right person peddling the right illusion could get men to pay money just for showing an ankle.

Jun 04 20 03:37 pm Link

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bibianusca

Posts: 10

Neuquén, Neuquén, Argentina

Hi to everyone!

Remember that your profile in Onlyfans is not sercheable, it is just a platfrorm to sell contents, thus these can be of any kind.
You can showcase music, non nude, implied, lingerie, porn, tutorials or even live fitness workout sessions! The important is that you should let youself being known outside of Onlyfans, then the platform will give you the opportunity to offer a subscription to your fans or directly selling contents. In my personal experience with Onlyfans, as I am popular in Instagram, mainly my audience appreciate the feeling of supporting, getting to know me in the chat, and have some unique content in exchange for their support.

I have tried Patreon, many artists like it, for me an issue is that you need to upload videos to Vimeo or Youtube, thus making it a complicated process embedding from different platforms, in Onlyfans this is very easy.

Happy weekend!!!!

Jun 05 20 02:32 pm Link

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Agata Sz

Posts: 65

Irvine, California, US

Thank you all for the responses, it was very helpful!!

Jun 22 20 06:39 pm Link