JQuest wrote:
And within three months they will be out-of-business

No, they will still be around. Nudity is still allowed. Just not actual sex. OnlyFans' biggest worry is people going back to work as businesses re-open for in person services.

Francisco Castro wrote:
No, they will still be around. Nudity is still allowed. Just not actual sex. OnlyFans' biggest worry is people going back to work as businesses re-open for in person services.

are you sure thats their worry?
how are the two related? is only fans taking away from the work force returning?
everyone wants to stay home and buy / sell sex content instead of work? haha

Francisco Castro wrote:
No, they will still be around. Nudity is still allowed. Just not actual sex. OnlyFans' biggest worry is people going back to work as businesses re-open for in person services.

I disagree, nudity is everywhere on the internet, most of the OF creators use free nudity as an incentive to drive traffic to their OF pages where users can pay to see more explicit content. The biggest earners on OF are the ones offering explicit sexual content. When they kneecap the creators that are bringing the viewers that pay want that content they'll simply leave. Porn is everywhere on the internet, people will just go elsewhere. Tumblr had a 30% drop in traffic within three months after initiating their ban on nudity in 2019 and they didn't pay any of the creators on their platform. I can't imagine too many companies can take a 30% hit to their business model and survive. You also didn't read the article, their concern is the banks and payout providers not people going back to work.

JQuest wrote:
And within three months they will be out-of-business

3 weeks.

JQuest wrote:
I disagree, nudity is everywhere on the internet, most of the OF creators use free nudity as an incentive to drive traffic to their OF pages where users can pay to see more explicit content. The biggest earners on OF are the ones offering explicit sexual content. When they kneecap the creators that are bringing the viewers that pay want that content they'll simply leave. Porn is everywhere on the internet, people will just go elsewhere. Tumblr had a 30% drop in traffic within three months after initiating their ban on nudity in 2019 and they didn't pay any of the creators on their platform. I can't imagine too many companies can take a 30% hit to their business model and survive. You also didn't read the article, their concern is the banks and payout providers not people going back to work.

I disagree. Nudity and Free Porn are already everywhere on the internet. So what is the attraction of Only Fans ? It's the interaction between Creators and Fans.

You can watch explicit sex on Pornhub but you can't chat with Brandi Banks or whoever. On Only Fans you can have conversations with creators and request custom content, not necessarily explicit content. It may not bring everyone $5000 a month, but I know many models who don't do explicit content now and still bring in  a decent amount relative to the time it takes them to create content.

Only Fans isn't paying creators, Fans do that and Only Fans takes a cut. Will total revenues to Only Fans drop? Quite possibly, but Creators will still be making the same 80% of whatever their content generates.

Red Sky Photography wrote:
On Only Fans you can have conversations with creators and request custom content, not necessarily explicit content.

haha! or at least have the illusion you are having conversations with some of them.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/forums/post … st19943489

Red Sky Photography wrote:
I disagree. Nudity and Free Porn are already everywhere on the internet. So what is the attraction of Only Fans ? It's the interaction between Creators and Fans.

You can watch explicit sex on Pornhub but you can't chat with Brandi Banks or whoever. On Only Fans you can have conversations with creators and request custom content, not necessarily explicit content. It may not bring everyone $5000 a month, but I know many models who don't do explicit content now and still bring in  a decent amount relative to the time it takes them to create content.

Only Fans isn't paying creators, Fans do that and Only Fans takes a cut. Will total revenues to Only Fans drop? Quite possibly, but Creators will still be making the same 80% of whatever their content generates.

Only Fans does pay the creators. It disperses the money they collect form fans to the creators it's a business, Fans do not directly pay creators. To assert otherwise is the same as saying grocery stores don't pay their check-out clerks the customers do or Home Depot doesn't pay their associates, the customers do. Pornhub also has similar OF creator programs. As for some models that do okay selling just nudes, I'm sure you're correct, however that is not where the bulk of money being made at only fans is going. It's going to the creators that post explicit sexual material, and those revenue streams will be lost.

Red Sky Photography wrote:
You can watch explicit sex on Pornhub but you can't chat with Brandi Banks or whoever.

why not? too awkward? or she doesnt return your messages?
did you message with:
"hey, i'm watching you right now lolololololol" and then the eggplant and water drop emojis?
maybe try a different approach.

John Jebbia  wrote:
Apparently this is being done to appease MC/Visa. I foresee a future where porn sites say the hell with Visa/MC and start accepting bitcoin only. Sorta like how the gambling sites opperate.

forget that, time to get on some next level shit John, invent the "Porncoin".
when you're filthy rich from taking that idea, dont forget to thank me by sending a private jet to pick me up so i can come party with you, and i want my face on some trivial value of virtual coin. the Porncoin Paolo Penny.
make me the Abe Lincoln of porn money.

meanwhile i will start a career as an adult film star named "Paolo Penny" that way when you introduce me to people at your party we'll have a cool story. haha

also, this is mostly unrelated, except has to do with pennies. you might enjoy it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9aM_dT5VMI

edit:
fuuuudge. "Porncoin" already exists!?! my dreams are smashed.

John Jebbia  wrote:
I suppose the silver lining is that models should start posting availability notices again..They've been severely lacking here in Arizona.

thinking the same thing

John Jebbia  wrote:
I suppose the silver lining is that models should start posting availability notices again..They've been severely lacking here in Arizona.

I'm dipping my feet back into my career even though most people are still scared of the variant. Like, our jobs straight up ended one day in 2020. We didn't start an OnlyFans instead. We have been starving since this started. Unemployment has helped but that ended for me a few months ago. Remote shooting has worked for some but it isn't sustainable.

John Jebbia  wrote:
Apparently this is being done to appease MC/Visa. I foresee a future where porn sites say the hell with Visa/MC and start accepting bitcoin only. Sorta like how the gambling sites opperate.

What happened to CCbill?  I thought that they were the cc processor for porn .. at least at one time?

Model Sarah wrote:
I'm dipping my feet back into my career even though most people are still scared of the variant. Like, our jobs straight up ended one day in 2020. We didn't start an OnlyFans instead. We have been starving since this started. Unemployment has helped but that ended for me a few months ago. Remote shooting has worked for some but it isn't sustainable.

I considered the whole remote shooting thing. These days, I'm mostly shooting YouTube content and I had a couple of videos where a podcast style soom recording would have been sufficient. In the end I decided against it because I couldn't quite come up with a hassle-free way to handle coordinating paying the tallent and getting my model release signed and sent back to me. I wanted to pay once I received the release, the models wanted to get paid immediately after the shoot. In the end, I just said F-it.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
What happened to CCbill?  I thought that they were the cc processor for porn .. at least at one time?

CC Bill is still around. But the major stumbling block for many models could be Visa/MC's "High Risk Transaction" fees. Last time I checked it was something like $750/yr to accept Visa, and $500/yr to accept MC. I'm not sure if this has changed, I last checked into it a few years ago. Also, with CCBill you have to build and maintain your own website.

The biggest benefits to Patreon/OnlyFans is that you don't have to build a website and you didn't have to pay the High Risk fees. You can focus all of your attention on creating content and promoting it instead.

A couple of interesting side notes about OnlyFans:

1. I set up an OF profile (as a content creator - not the tallent). I messaged them before I began setting it up letting them know that I would be posting content featuring multiple models and asked them if that would be a problem. They said no and just upload my ID, etc and I would be fine. First video I posted they locked the account since the person in the video didn't match the ID I uploaded. I sent them her ID and was back in business. Next video, with a different model, same thing. They zapped it. I finally said the hell with it.. it's gonna be a huge hassle if I need to go through this everytime I post content with a new model.

2. I have a friend who set up her OF and I tried signing up for it and my credit card kept getting declined. I tried 2 different cards from 2 different banks and same thing. I did some research and apparently there's quite a few banks that block OF signups. I wonder how many sales models are losing because of this.

In the end, I decided to just keep my content fairly tame and went back to Patreon. According to the Patreon rep I spoke to, the content I'm uploading is well within their guidelines. Hope it stays this way.

/End Tangent

John Jebbia  wrote:

I considered the whole remote shooting thing. These days, I'm mostly shooting YouTube content and I had a couple of videos where a podcast style soom recording would have been sufficient. In the end I decided against it because I couldn't quite come up with a hassle-free way to handle coordinating paying the tallent and getting my model release signed and sent back to me. I wanted to pay once I received the release, the models wanted to get paid immediately after the shoot. In the end, I just said F-it.

To me, it felt like a hassle. It also felt like it was devaluing my skill-set and even the person hiring me. I actually would get angry when someone wanted to do that. I still don't quite understand why shooting ended. We're never within 6 feet of each other and a lot of it was outside. I think what happened is that people were forced to prioritize things in their life and I don't think many were like; I HAVE TO SHOOT MODELS! I dunno....it sucks that something I've been doing for half of my life just stopped one day. It's quite the surreal experience.

Model Sarah wrote:
I dunno....it sucks that something I've been doing for half of my life just stopped one day. It's quite the surreal experience.

QFT!
the change was very sudden.

Model Sarah wrote:
To me, it felt like a hassle. It also felt like it was devaluing my skill-set and even the person hiring me. I actually would get angry when someone wanted to do that. I still don't quite understand why shooting ended. We're never within 6 feet of each other and a lot of it was outside. I think what happened is that people were forced to prioritize things in their life and I don't think many were like; I HAVE TO SHOOT MODELS! I dunno....it sucks that something I've been doing for half of my life just stopped one day. It's quite the surreal experience.

Many won't like this, but I actually never quit shooting all throughout... sorta. In fact, my Facebook friend count dropped dramatically because I continued posting paid casting calls and there were many who disagreed with my choice to keep working. The only thing that prevented me from shooting was an extreme lack of available models in my area. I just went and looked at my archives and I went from 47 shoots in 2019 to just 8 shoots in 2020. And those 8 shoots in 2020 were all with my regulars who I've been shooting with for years.

John Jebbia  wrote:

Many won't like this, but I actually never quit shooting all throughout... sorta. In fact, my Facebook friend count dropped dramatically because I continued posting paid casting calls and there were many who disagreed with my choice to keep working. The only thing that prevented me from shooting was an extreme lack of available models in my area. I just went and looked at my archives and I went from 47 shoots in 2019 to just 8 shoots in 2020. And those 8 shoots in 2020 were all with my regulars who I've been shooting with for years.

As long as you were being safe, I mean I don't see the problem. A LOT of the people that hired me were older, so I could understand that concern/perspective but other than that..

MarkFBraun wrote:
They've stepped back on this; it is the hub of their members' business.

Backed off for now...Never trust a Big Tech company, their entire existence is dependent on exploiting misguided peeps.

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Backed off for now...Never trust a Big Tech company, their entire existence is dependent on exploiting misguided peeps.

I agree. I'm not sure I'd want to spend a lot of time and effort into building a following only to have the rug pulled out from under me whenever they want to..

R.EYE.R wrote:
Great PR stunt generating a lot of attention it needed....

Only time will tell but I don't think so. It created a lot of negative attention, many successful members have announced they're leaving the site or no longer using it exclusively, and most members that create adult content no longer trust the platform. The news did more to help their competitors.

Model Mayhem Edu wrote:

Only time will tell but I don't think so. It created a lot of negative attention, many successful members have announced they're leaving the site or no longer using it exclusively, and most members that create adult content no longer trust the platform. The news did more to help their competitors.

Negative PR is still a PR, often referred to as Black PR.
The fact that it generated a lot of talk about site is what they needed.

R.EYE.R wrote:
Great PR stunt generating a lot of attention it needed....

Nope, not even close. The announcement will have a net negative effect even with the return of the content. The announcement was obviously forced by their bankers/processors. Numerous content creators have already rushed to other outlets. This will have a negative effect on their revenue for years to come. That is not PR.

It is also possible that they have been forced to be much tighter in their verification of content and creators even after dropping some of their content restrictions. While it might be juicy to contemplate a false-flag conspiracy, in my opinion, that is a very juvenile observation about very real-world business forces.

I will add that I have recently deleted my account on OnlyFans. After the prohibition/reinstatement I started getting messages about the content I had in my account. They were seeing my content as co-authored because it wasn't self-shot photos of myself. This struck me as odd since all of the content was shot with the intention for editorial publication with suitable IDs and model releases and in many cases accepted and published. Had never considered that a paid model shoot was co-authored.

I think what it shows is that the site has an inherent bias towards model profiles and against photographers as content creators. I would recommend all photographer-creators seriously rethink participating on OnlyFans.