Chris Milone wrote:
Mac ones are poopy, tried and hated. Temptu SB rocks, as well as OCC and KETT.

thanks chris. do you know which #'s of the temptu sb are most commonly used so that i can mix to match colors?

dez ortiz wrote:
temptu is suppose to be good but i havent tried it personally try camerareadycosmetics.com....

thank you.

Janice D. wrote:
thanks chris. do you know which #'s of the temptu sb are most commonly used so that i can mix to match colors?

i use #4 #5 #6 #7 and #12 almost all the time ...and i mix #2 and #3 for under they eye kinda like the YSL concealer.  get the trial pack and try them out, they look small but they last a long time, you dont use alot maybe 3-4 drops a face roughly.

Chris Milone wrote:
you dont use alot maybe 3-4 drops a face roughly.

Chris,

what am I doing wrong w/my Temptu?  I use way more than that.  I always have aprox. 6 drops of foundation + 2 drops of "extender" (244 or SB thinner) for each side of the face.  I didn't feel like the skin looked heavy... I don't have pictures of this because I am just practicing right now.  Does that sound like too much?  If I don't have that much foundation in the cup, then I can't "back bubble" and mix in the cup.

~Michelle Heffner

rachelrose wrote:
I use temptu s/b, temptu dura and aircraft.

I used to hate aircraft, but then I got used to it and now I use it all the time.

How is temptu dura does it really dry darker than the regular s/b foundations I read that somewhere.

Katrianna wrote:

How is temptu dura does it really dry darker than the regular s/b foundations I read that somewhere.

Well the Temptu Dura is alcohol based, and the Temptu SB is silicone based. I use the alcohol based stuff for light FX work (color wash over tattoo coverup, things like that). There are also a couple really cool temptu dura metallic colors that I love.

Cynthia Rose wrote:
I used MAC in school and it really discouraged me. I thought I was just terrible at airbrushing. BUT then I got an airbrush and the Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics OCC Skin foundations and now I am one damn fine airbrushin' artist, if I do say so myself!

It's all about finding what you're comfortable with. Get small starter kits and play.

Lol I'm sure your a damn fine artist! lol

Has anyone ever used Kett Hydro Proof as beauty makeup, I've been recommended against it but on their site they had a review form a MUA claiming to use it for brides, as this is my main use. Has anyone here actually ever done this? I also asked them via emailed, and they said it was fine once it wasn't for everyday use.

rachelrose wrote:

Well the Temptu Dura is alcohol based, and the Temptu SB is silicone based. I use the alcohol based stuff for light FX work (color wash over tattoo coverup, things like that). There are also a couple really cool temptu dura metallic colors that I love.

Ok great, I wanted to pick up a set of the alco/based I think I will! I'm scared to try S/B down here in my humid climate. Don't want it to end up looking too oily, as of course no one likes a oily looking face! So going with water based for the matte finish. I just wish I could find something that was smudge/water proof or transfer resistant.

Janice D. wrote:
hello fabulous mua's....
quick question and sorry if there already is a thread about this.
which airbrush foudations do you reccomend? i am using the mac ones but would like to try new ones.
thanks for your help.

janice d.

I know I always say this, but there is no such thing as a "quick question."  What do people mean by that?  That the answer won't take long??

Katrianna wrote:
Ok great, I wanted to pick up a set of the alco/based I think I will! I'm scared to try S/B down here in my humid climate. Don't want it to end up looking too oily, as of course no one likes a oily looking face! So going with water based for the matte finish. I just wish I could find something that was smudge/water proof or transfer resistant.

Just be careful if you're thinking of using alcohol based foundation colors on the face... it is not advised.

I do use a lot of alcohol based foundation in my body painting... for tattoo cover up and blocking my design onto a body by sketching or by using a darker shade for drop shadows and muscle definition.

Even the chest form in my avitar was painted with alcohol foundation...

Battledress PaintNBody wrote:

Just be careful if you're thinking of using alcohol based foundation colors on the face... it is not advised.

I do use a lot of alcohol based foundation in my body painting... for tattoo cover up and blocking my design onto a body by sketching or by using a darker shade for drop shadows and muscle definition.

Even the chest form in my avitar was painted with alcohol foundation...

Yea I was thinking this, so then why the hell would kett even say it's okay to use on your face (just not for daily use)

Doug Jantz wrote:

I know I always say this, but there is no such thing as a "quick question."  What do people mean by that?  That the answer won't take long??

Necessary?

David Klasfeld wrote:
Without being brand-specific Kat, I can tell you that alcohol-based foundation on the face isn't usually a good idea. We don't recommend using it that way on the face with our skintone Inks, unless some sort of barrier cream is applied first (thus negativing the longevity), or it's over a prosthetic appliance.

The alcohol content is less of a concern, though those with sensitive skin certainly won't enjoy it - it's removal that becomes problematic: The only thing that removes it quickly and thoroughly is alcohol, and that in itself can be very irritating. While it does breakdown eventually with soap and water (meaning over a period of days and several repeated washing), the only other thing that completely removes it is an old-fashioned oil-based cleanser, like Pond's Cold Cream, but even that takes a lot of time and effort. It's best used on the body, and should never be used in the eye area.

Point taken!

Battledress PaintNBody wrote:
David has a Holiday Special on the starter kit...
http://www.occmakeup.com/abequipment.html

Thanks, Lisa. And to answer the question above, the cost of the set actually already includes the 20% discount, and it's even applied to the equipment also, which is something we don't normally do. Feel free to contact me at [email protected] if you have any other questions.

Abi88 wrote:
dior airbrush spray foundation is great for a flawless look, it covers dark circles so you dont ned any concealer with it x

Not what was being asked.

Mary wrote:
you are in luck... there is currently a thread and a poll about this right here.

Mary, it should probably be acknowledged that the poll you're linking to is on a board that you not only sponsor with advertising, but also help to moderate. This poll in particular is only showing the popularity of brands that you sell, with Dinair and hilariously, MAC, thrown in for good measure (and we all know how you feel about them ).

Despite all that, it's nice to see that my brand, OCC, got more write-in votes than 4 of the 5 choices you allowed for in your poll. (Thanks guys!) I'm assuming this upset you on some level, because you've followed up with some pretty negative comments, specific to why you would "never carry" our brand. This was particularly unnecessary (not to mention grossly unprofessional), since you already know that distributing our products has never been an option for you.

Mary is well aware that OCC only sells its products through distributors who have brick-and-mortar stores, in addition to their online businesses. OCC maintains this policy in order to ensure the best possible customer service, prevent any concerns about conflicts of interest, and to maintain our ability to extend our professional clientele the industry discounts to which they are entitled. For a list of qualified OCC Distributors, please visit the 'Contact' page on OCCMAKEUP.COM.

Thanks!
David

Chris Milone wrote:
Mac ones are poopy, tried and hated. Temptu SB rocks, as well as OCC and KETT.

yes, its wasnt that great to be honest...it gave me a wet face look

David Klasfeld wrote:

Thanks, Lisa. And to answer the question above, the cost of the set actually already includes the 20% discount, and it's even applied to the equipment also, which is something we don't normally do. Feel free to contact me at [email protected] if you have any other questions.

thanks david. im definately going to looking into that...when does this special end?
i called ie in los angeles but they do not carry the occ airbrush starter kit...=[

Sexy Time Make Up wrote:
thanks david. im definately going to looking into that...when does this special end?
i called ie in los angeles but they do not carry the occ airbrush starter kit...=[

You're totally welcome. And sorry, the airbrush starter kit is an online exclusive, but we can ship to you without a problem. It's thru Dec. 31st. Thanks again!

Katrianna wrote:

Lol I'm sure your a damn fine artist! lol

Has anyone ever used Kett Hydro Proof as beauty makeup, I've been recommended against it but on their site they had a review form a MUA claiming to use it for brides, as this is my main use. Has anyone here actually ever done this? I also asked them via emailed, and they said it was fine once it wasn't for everyday use.

i want to know about this too

This poll in particular is only showing the popularity of brands that you sell, with Dinair and hilariously, MAC, thrown in for good measure (and we all know how you feel about them ).

David, For your information I didn't even list my own brand in the poll, I listed what I thought were the best selling brands.

Despite all that, it's nice to see that my brand, OCC, got more write-in votes than 4 of the 5 choices you allowed for in your poll. (Thanks guys!) I'm assuming this upset you on some level, because you've followed up with some pretty negative comments, specific to why you would "never carry" our brand.

Actually your brand got a total of 2 votes, however we may count a 3rd vote (if I were being really nice) you were mentioned after aircraft so I dont think that counts...Temptu got 16 votes as of today, the clear winner .... People were asked to write in anything they used that wasn't in the poll and they did. 

Mary is well aware that OCC only sells its products through distributors who have brick-and-mortar stores,

Would a private label nail polish factory qualify as a brick and mortar?

so rest assured we will not being seeing your product in any stores WITHOUT a brick and mortar right?


even with a brick and mortar I wouldn't  carry your products,  it's just not something I have an iterest in....I sell fast moving products PERIOD.  This is why I constantly take polls and ask questions....I like to carry what people want, I am not married to any one manufacturer....   I don't like to "sell" products...I like to provide products that people already want, that has been my store policy since day one...

should a product change in quality and this has happened, I drop it, should a product take up valuable realestate in my office without making visits to customers on a regular basis it goes to the womens shelter and I take it off my site.  This actually makes me very unbiased...if I don't like the quality of any product, its not in my store PERIOD.. 

How can one be more unbiased than to have no agreements with any manufacturers?  My only agreement with anyone is.... If people demand your product, I will carry it, if they don't, I won't....  It's their job to make the product desirable and my job to provide great customer service, fast shipping and a real person the customers can talk to.   

You are correct, I do not give dicounts on a regular basis...HOWEVER, I do offer free shipping and that normally makes up for the 10% to 20% typical discounts  found at other industry supply stores...Some of the brands that I carry are already discounted 20%, I don't think you have checked out my prices... Not all, but some.  Clearly  people appreciate the personal service and free shipping  because my sales are though the roof.   My formula works well for me.



You made it sound like I had a problem with Dinair....
I have no issues with Dinair, the only company I have issues with are MAC and your own.... I actually have a lot of respect for Dina and for her company I just don't feel like I have room to carry more airbrush products at this time...frankly, they just don't move quickly compared to traditional products so I have to be very choosy about what I carry.  I also like and respect all the people behind the products I carry, or I wouldnt carry their products.... I have to like the products and respect the people behind them.


Also as you can see, I do not carry all the products from every brand, I pick and choose only what I like personally and what others tell me they like. I may drop one brand tomorrow, that just frees up room to carry another brand, thats the freedom you have when you are not actually PUSHING a brand

in addition to their online businesses. OCC maintains this policy in order to ensure the best possible customer service, prevent any concerns about conflicts of interest, and to maintain our ability to extend our professional clientele the industry discounts to which they are entitled. For a list of qualified OCC Distributors, please visit the 'Contact' page on OCCMAKEUP.COM.

Thanks!
David

you're constant attacks on me have been anything but professional, i hope you treat your customers with a lot more respect.

If you were wise you would just move on, but you won't, you will come back and throw mud my way and this will go on and on and again people will tire of the bickering and I apologize to everyone but I can't let these insults stand any longer without answering , especially when they are so absurd as to question that I am a busy working artist?  wth?  people right here on this board have been given full rate jobs by me when I was just too busy to do them and this is recent, so people know better then to buy into this nonsense.

Tell me David, how many people here have you given full rate jobs to in the last 6 months because you were over booked or too busy in your store getting orders out?  I have given full rate jobs to a  few right here on this board and many others not on this board and that was only when my assistant couldn't do them, because she was booked on jobs I provided her!

I can not even fathom that I am debating that I work full time in this industry.... My work speaks for itself, I update my latest works page at least twice a month with new tear sheets...stuff I was paid full rate on (and this represents just a small portion of what I actually do) there are ZERO tests there on my latest works page... I havent tested in ages.

  I challange you do update your website with new tear sheets every few weeks. I mean tear sheets that you were paid full rate for, not playing around stuff.

Now again, I will ask for a truce and let people here get on with the Holidays without bickering....you agree to never reply to my postings and leave me and my company out of your rantings I will agree never to reply to yours and never metion your company...  I think that sounds like a good idea don't you? Lets take the high road here and STOP THE MADNESS!

Mary wrote:
Would a private label nail polish factory qualify as a brick and mortar?

No, it would qualify as a cosmetics manufacturing facility. Did you really need that explained to you? I know you're unfamiliar with them, but still, I would think that you'd be clear on the difference.   

Mary wrote:
so rest assured we will not being seeing your product in any stores WITHOUT a brick and mortar right?

Mary, you seem to have taken our decision to do business this way very personally. Let me try to explain this one more time for you: our offices, however you choose to disparage them, are our offices. It's where our product is manufactured, and then distributed either directly to our clientele or through qualified distributors. One necessary qualification is that the distributor offers our clients an advantage to buying from them that we ourselves do not - case in point, a brick and mortar location. Without one, there's no true advantage to buying through a distributor that we ourselves can't offer our clients.

Mary wrote:
You are correct, I do not give dicounts on a regular basis...HOWEVER, I do offer free shipping and that normally makes up for the 10% to 20% typical discounts  found at other industry supply stores...

Mary, just because you claim this is the case doesn't make it so. For starers we both know that Ground Shipping on a 1-3 lb package within the United States is $7.50 at the most. You've said in the past you use Priority Mail most of the time, right? That's even less ($4.60 usually). Either way, it's not a substantial savings and certainly isn't equivalent to a true professional discount.

Put simply: If someone spends $100 with a line that gives 20% off (which is standard, by the way - who in the world only gives 10%?), then they're only spending $80.00. At that amount, they're usually getting free shipping as well. Given that they're not paying for shipping regardless, the idea that one-stop-shopping is still a convenience - well that's obviously not the case either.

Again, there's just no real benefit to selling through an online-only merchant. If our customers have the option of getting their product in person through the vendor (ie. local distribution), it's another story entirely.

Mary wrote:
thats the freedom you have when you are not actually PUSHING a brand

ROFL! Yes Mary, I'm sure no one ever thinks of you as pushing product. Step outside of your own solipsism for a second or two sometime and consider how you've been making yourself look on this board, as of late. I know your usual troupe of Yes-Men reassure you to the contrary, but there's quite a world outside of them.

Mary wrote:
even with a brick and mortar I wouldn't  carry your products

So basically you're saying, "Who cares if you didn't invite me to your lousy party - I didn't want to go anyway!" Like I told you a long time ago Mary, then it's agreed - obviously neither of us fulfills the other's requirements.