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Rayrayrose

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Los Angeles, California, US

I think Mary was right about starting a separate thread about this, in response to this thread:
https://modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=157682

So what do you guys consider appropriate on-set etiquette or "setiquette"?

Reading through my posts, it is clear my feelings on discussing sensitive issues on set: i.e. Religion, Politics...etc...

I have other views as well about inappropriate setiquette:

I don't bring tabloids to shoots, and I am very careful about what regular magazines I bring into the make-up trailer as well (i.e., if an actress was going through a divorce, I wouldn't bring in a magazine that had articles about their ex's new girlfriend.)

I don't ask talent for pictures or autographs. Working on TV/Film is a bit different because by picture wrap, everybody is taking pictures with everybody.

I never ask the talents' age. But that's a given.


What are some things that are important to the rest of the make-up artists, stylists and hairstylists out there?

Jun 28 07 06:50 pm Link

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Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

rachelrose wrote:
I think Mary was right about starting a separate thread about this, in response to this thread:
https://modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=157682

So what do you guys consider appropriate on-set etiquette or "setiquette"?

Reading through my posts, it is clear my feelings on discussing sensitive issues on set: i.e. Religion, Politics...etc...

I have other views as well about inappropriate setiquette:

I don't bring tabloids to shoots, and I am very careful about what regular magazines I bring into the make-up trailer as well (i.e., if an actress was going through a divorce, I wouldn't bring in a magazine that had articles about their ex's new girlfriend.)

I don't ask talent for pictures or autographs. Working on TV/Film is a bit different because by picture wrap, everybody is taking pictures with everybody.

I never ask the talents' age. But that's a given.


What are some things that are important to the rest of the make-up artists, stylists and hairstylists out there?

I'm far from perfect so I slip up sometimes but this what I try to do


everything you just said....and...................

I leave politics and religion alone

I leave my cell phone on vibrate (but I do forget this sometimes)

I never answer my phone when working on someone or conversing with someone (there are a few exceptions like when the client might be calling or a lost model etc)

I don't name drop and cant stand it when people do that on the job

I dont gossip on the job

I try to fade into the back ground, like a waiter in a fine resteraunt, there when you need me and invisable when you dont

I try to keep chatter to a minimum, some photographers hate chatter when they are shooting (I slip up sometimes in this department but I try to keep it down)

I dress appropriate for the job

Im on time (early usually)

I dont talk too much about my personal life, nobody cares

The most annoying thing on a shoot is when some diva artist or stylist decides she/he needs attention and starts acting out....they make everything about themselves...big turn off on a job

Jun 28 07 07:29 pm Link

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Lisa Berczel

Posts: 4132

New Castle, Pennsylvania, US

I work with a lot of exposed skin... so it is important to talk through the process and the boundries of the project.

Setting an expectation level of respect is very important to me.

Jun 28 07 08:58 pm Link

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Rebecca Liceaga

Posts: 1098

Los Angeles, California, US

It's important to make the client feel comfortable in your chair, but it's also important to "read" the client. For example, I was on set with a VERY chatty hairstylist who was visibly annoying the talent (and myself!) as I just kept quiet and did my job. Since I was friends the the crew (we had worked together on a couple of occasions) they told me as soon as the hairstylist left that the talent asked that she not return the next day. I think this shows how trying to be "Friendly" can go wrong.

I also think dressing appropriatly is another part of setiquette. You could send the wrong "vibe" by trying to "dress to impress" if it's not appropriate for the settings.

I also agree with what Rachel and Mary said about not asking personal questions (or talking about yourself, unless asked and even then...). I think when you are dealing with celebs, they just want to escape for a few moments while they are being made up. Asking probing questions will not put you on their good side.

Being respectful to all members of the crew should always be practiced. If there are any disagreements, they should be discussed with calmly as to not make "drama" for everyone else.

Arrive neat and clean! Gum, breath mints and deoderant go a long ways...

Ditto on the religion, politics, race issues, etc.

Jun 28 07 10:11 pm Link

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Michelle Heffner

Posts: 91

Columbia, Maryland, US

Excellent topic.

I would like to add that talking about how wasted you were last night or how messed up you are going to get tonight falls into this category.


~Michelle Heffner

Jun 29 07 06:46 am Link

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ganeshkarma

Posts: 684

New York, New York, US

Mary wrote:

I'm far from perfect so I slip up sometimes but this what I try to do


everything you just said....and...................

I leave politics and religion alone

I leave my cell phone on vibrate (but I do forget this sometimes)

I never answer my phone when working on someone or conversing with someone (there are a few exceptions like when the client might be calling or a lost model etc)

I don't name drop and cant stand it when people do that on the job

I dont gossip on the job

I try to fade into the back ground, like a waiter in a fine resteraunt, there when you need me and invisable when you dont

I try to keep chatter to a minimum, some photographers hate chatter when they are shooting (I slip up sometimes in this department but I try to keep it down)

I dress appropriate for the job

Im on time (early usually)

I dont talk too much about my personal life, nobody cares

The most annoying thing on a shoot is when some diva artist or stylist decides she/he needs attention and starts acting out....they make everything about themselves...big turn off on a job

I totally agree with Mary, keep away from politics and religion. We all have oppinions, but some are better to be kept private in professional enviroment.
Also, try not to act crazy (unless you can not help it with meds), insult people, act superior and rant. Our industry is a small one, you never know how many mutual collegues you have. Do not step on toes, your good name depends on it.
Now I got to go to "aspire" to Industria studios, where photographer is eagerly awaiting to photoshop my work when I am done smile

Jun 29 07 07:36 am Link

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Diana

Posts: 2373

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I agree with all already posted but will add that while it is important to keep chatter to a minimum on set, there are times when it is very helpful in the makeup room.

For instance, when working with the 'real women' for the Dove campaign, I chatted with them about all kinds of 'light' topics.  This helped them to relax and forget about being nervous prior to their shoot.  It helped to show that we were not 'uptight fashionistas' but average folk just like them.

By the time they went to set, they were relaxed and were able to be themselves in front of the camera. 

Being a chatty, 'down to earth' gal is one of the reasons I was able to land this campaign. 

Each assignment will require different 'rules' and you must understand the assignment fully by looking at the 'big picture' in order to do your job well.

As has been said many times, being a pro ma is more than just applying makeup.

Jun 29 07 09:20 am Link

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Sophie R

Posts: 1235

Paris, Île-de-France, France

I try to be in a good mood and to work on my good vibe (I'm a ranting bitch inside lol!)

Along with the deodorant and breath mints: keep your shoes on, especially when you really CAN'T AFFORD to take them off because.... erm!! You got the point. Yes, I stumbled on a stylist who actually did IT.

Jun 29 07 09:35 am Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

Don't make the talent feel like crap.

That's rule #1.

(It's amazing how often I see that one violated, too. Almost everything else is comparatively forgiveable, but this one gets you permanently in the black-ball zone.)

Jun 29 07 09:42 am Link

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Evey E

Posts: 240

North Hills, California, US

Another one is music.  Don't put music too loud.  I've been on sets where it's cranked up and it's so distracting.  I believe, like said before, when the talent is in make-up that's their time to relax or concentrate on lines, etc.  Plus, listening to the same songs for 12 hours is annoying!!!

Jun 29 07 11:12 am Link

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Melissa Rachelle

Posts: 2162

Miami, Florida, US

Sophie R wrote:
I try to be in a good mood and to work on my good vibe (I'm a ranting bitch inside lol!)

Along with the deodorant and breath mints: keep your shoes on, especially when you really CAN'T AFFORD to take them off because.... erm!! You got the point. Yes, I stumbled on a stylist who actually did IT.

I've taken my shoes off in studio shoots before.  Is this really a problem?

The thing is that I'm short.  So depending on how tall the model is I have to tiptoe to put their makeup on.  So depending on the model's height I have to carry heels to shoots with me so I can do their makeup.  So sometimes when I do hair, the model goes to a lower chair and I can take my shoes off.

Jun 29 07 12:10 pm Link

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Rhonda M

Posts: 1089

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Rebecca Liceaga wrote:
...Arrive neat and clean! Gum, breath mints and deoderant go a long ways...

This is a big one but I would steer clear of gum as it can be very distracting because alot of people tend to chew with their mouths open and even pop it so stick with the mints or breath strips. 

I'd also say don't become too comfortable on set, even if you've worked with the photographer a million times or the hairstylist a lot.  I see this a lot and I have seen it make the "newer" person on the team feel intimidated or out of the loop.

The cell phone thing is my biggest pet peeve.  I can not stand to see anyone who is on a shoot whether it be another MUA or the photographer constantly accepting calls that are not emergencies.   

I do strongly agree with Diana that the rules could easily change depending onthe clientele you are working with.  But I think most of the ones that have been covered are across the board "no-no's."

Jun 29 07 12:25 pm Link

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David Klasfeld

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New York, New York, US

All of the above, plus never answering that vibrating cellphone while you're working, no matter how important the call is, regardless of how good your relationship is with the talent/production. You never know who's watching you, and it just looks unprofessional.

And never say no to a specific makeup request from the photographer/director/producer, no matter how inappropriate it seems. In a worst case scenario, smile and nod and then do what you need to in order to make the look they want work. If something totally out of the question is requested (full body makeup in 20 minutes, special f/x, etc. in similar time constraints), let them know you'll be happy to do what they need but it will, require a, b, and c in order to achieve it - and ask if we have the time to accomplish it. It gets the message across without the immediate "No" to turn anyone off to the rest of your explanation, no matter how logical it may be.

Jun 29 07 12:27 pm Link

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MP Make-up Artistry

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Prince George, British Columbia, Canada

I think that arriving on time or early is key , arrive clean, and teeth brushes and ready to work, Turn your cell phone off, or vibrate on, and call back who ever called you when your on break or off set. Only answer it if some one is having a baby or if its the model and she is lost, ahh the power of call display.

Also try not to take over an entire table unless it have be designated just for you, I recently worked on a film with another make-up artist and she spread all of her stuff out and left me a little two foot section, and I was the one doing the sfx, so I needed just a little more space. It felt very aquard asking her if she wouldnt mind sharing more of the table with me. she did but seemed a little mad, I was early in arrival but she was there even eariler and I guess she figured she could take over the one make-up table provided.

Have what you need in your set bag , this way you dont have to keep running back and forth from the set to the make-up room. I recently worked in an old hospital and the elevator was out of order and I had to run up 3 flights of stairs. Not a big deal but if I had forgotten anything that would have sucked smile

I personally also never wear sleavless tops, I will wear t-shirts and long sleaved tops, as I dont thing anyone that I am working on really wants to see my arm pit. I also make sure that my tops are not too low or revealing, no one wants to look down my top when I am appling make-up. I like to layer up just incase so I dont expose myself.
Dress weather approprite, no one wants to hear that your wet, hot, cold or uncomfrotable. I work in flim alot and I have mastered the layered weather wardrobe.

I also wear comfortable shoes, I realyl dont care if they are in fashion or not, the worst thing is when your feet hurt. I usually wear flats or runners, or rubber boots ( depending on the location) I also bring extra socks just incase my feet get wet.

Try not to chat too much but then again some times you will be on set with other chatty people, let them talk more than you so then your not looking like the really chatty person smile

Have fun and be positive dont talk negitivly about anyone you have worked with. Keep politics and religion at home dont bring it to set.

And at the end dont forget to hand out your card to people you have just met on set smile

Jun 29 07 01:28 pm Link

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CMMakeup

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New York, New York, US

Deadly Design Make-up wrote:
Also try not to take over an entire table unless it have be designated just for you, I recently worked on a film with another make-up artist and she spread all of her stuff out and left me a little two foot section, and I was the one doing the sfx, so I needed just a little more space. It felt very aquard asking her if she wouldnt mind sharing more of the table with me. she did but seemed a little mad, I was early in arrival but she was there even eariler and I guess she figured she could take over the one make-up table provided.

I hate that!!!!!!! ugh

but i think everyone covered it all. I just emphisize the dress appropriately i've seen artist sent home because of an in-appropriate outfit. And unless someone asks your opinion (non work related)  keep it to yourself. All it takes is one bad instance and that is what you will be remembered for.

Jun 29 07 02:11 pm Link

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Cynthia ORourke

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New York, New York, US

Chris Milone wrote:
but i think everyone covered it all. I just emphisize the dress appropriately i've seen artist sent home because of an in-appropriate outfit.

Seriously?  What was s/he wearing?

*My pet peeve... don't touch things that don't belong to you. 

I once worked on a photo shoot where the Hairstylist had moved my stuff (kit and bags and what-have-you) from the room I had left them in to the new room they wanted makeup done in.  When I went to set up I couldn't find a bunch of stuff, including my brush roll/belt.  I was freaking out and trying to ask people if they knew what happened to my stuff without revealing that my freakin' brushes were missing... when I saw the hairstylist WEARING MY brush belt.  I was shaking with rage and she just had no idea how inappropriate it was to have gone into my bag and help herself to items from my kit.

I think the only thing I'm more protective of then my kit is my kid.

*Don't take sides between cast and crew.

The makeup artist has the unenviable position of being both part of the crew AND working closely with the cast.  As a makeup artist you are hired by the production and/or key mua, but you often have to work with and placate the actors in much more intimate situations than the rest of the crew will have to.  Sometimes the dynamic on set pushes you to either "take sides" with the actors or shun the actors in order to buddy up with the crew.  Basically you need to find a happy medium to keep everyone happy... generally by keeping opinions to yourself.

I guess this goes along with "don't gossip" and "watch what you say on set... you never know who it will get back to".

Jun 29 07 04:01 pm Link

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MP Make-up Artistry

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Prince George, British Columbia, Canada

Cynthia ORourke wrote:
. when I saw the hairstylist WEARING MY brush belt.  I was shaking with rage and she just had no idea how inappropriate it was to have gone into my bag and help herself to items from my kit.

ohh my god she was wearing your brush belt , I would have wripped a strip off of her for going in an using my stuff, like did she thing you wouldnt notice???
Ohh my god the nerve of some people. did you talk to her about what she did?? did you get your brush belt back??? ohh my god now this is clearly not how to act on set smile

Jun 29 07 05:13 pm Link

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Cynthia ORourke

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New York, New York, US

It was a really weird situation cause she was really more like a PA who happened to be doing hair and was using supplies provided by the photographer and wardrobe stylist... so I gave her the benefit of the doubt in assuming she thought it was part of THEIR kit.. but still I wonder why she thought she might need any of those brushes to do her job?

And I was also pissed 'cause I was running around feeling like an asshole cause I had lost my brushes and didn't want to go to the photographer or client asking "Hey have you seen my brush roll?"  I know what I would think of a photographer going around, "Hey anyone seen my camera??"  But it really did feel like an invasion of privacy, especially since my brushes were in my purse at the time, not just my set bag.  I would NEVER go into someones bag or purse unless they expressly told me, "Go into my bag and get whatever..."

Jun 29 07 05:22 pm Link

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MP Make-up Artistry

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Prince George, British Columbia, Canada

Cynthia ORourke wrote:
It was a really weird situation cause she was really more like a PA who happened to be doing hair and was using supplies provided by the photographer and wardrobe stylist... so I gave her the benefit of the doubt in assuming she thought it was part of THEIR kit.. but still I wonder why she thought she might need any of those brushes to do her job?

And I was also pissed 'cause I was running around feeling like an asshole cause I had lost my brushes and didn't want to go to the photographer or client asking "Hey have you seen my brush roll?"  I know what I would think of a photographer going around, "Hey anyone seen my camera??"  But it really did feel like an invasion of privacy, especially since my brushes were in my purse at the time, not just my set bag.  I would NEVER go into someones bag or purse unless they expressly told me, "Go into my bag and get whatever..."

weird situation.

Jun 29 07 06:33 pm Link

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Cynthia Rose

Posts: 468

New York, New York, US

I am so strict with myself and I really follow Setiquette to a T. (no gum chewing, no gossiping, dressing appropriately, being early, cleanly, and just being all around appropriate.) but yesterday I was working for a publication I frequently work for and for some reason during lunch I decide to pick up a paper and read it. I got to a part about Ann Coulter and I blurted out how much I hate that woman and went on tangent it for a bit. And then I remembered where I was and shut myself up.
Oh well. I chalk it up to temporary insanity brought about by my blinding hate for Ann Coulter. And they did just contact me today to do another shoot, so they obviously hate her too. lol.

Jun 29 07 06:34 pm Link

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CMMakeup

Posts: 1727

New York, New York, US

Cynthia ORourke wrote:

Seriously?  What was s/he wearing?

*

She was wearing a very low cut top. cleavage everywear. and a short, not mini skirt but short skirt and high heels. On a movie set no less.

Jun 29 07 06:40 pm Link

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MP Make-up Artistry

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Prince George, British Columbia, Canada

Chris Milone wrote:

She was wearing a very low cut top. cleavage everywear. and a short, not mini skirt but short skirt and high heels. On a movie set no less.

ohh my god, what was she thinking, and how the heck could that be comfortable, unless she is a stripper smile hehehehe
how could anyone thing that that is professional?????

Jun 29 07 07:18 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

Melissa Rachelle wrote:

I've taken my shoes off in studio shoots before.  Is this really a problem?

The thing is that I'm short.  So depending on how tall the model is I have to tiptoe to put their makeup on.  So depending on the model's height I have to carry heels to shoots with me so I can do their makeup.  So sometimes when I do hair, the model goes to a lower chair and I can take my shoes off.

Generally not a problem. Depends on who you're working with...

Jun 29 07 07:23 pm Link

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NinaDarguzis

Posts: 290

Los Angeles, California, US

Punctual--sometimes I'm an hour early if I've never been there before.  I'd rather be early than late.  Time is money.

Dress--obviously depending on the situation I dress appropriately.  No low cut tops or heals.  I usually have no makeup on or possibly base if it's a bad day.  Comfortable shoes.

Cell phones:  Usually on vibrate in the trailer on set usually off due to sensitive sound equipment.  I check messages periodically and never answer when with a client or talent.

As far as conversing: I'm quiet when it calls to be--if I'm in a trailer I can be as loud or chatty as I like, on set I tend to be quiet and jump in and speak up if they forget to call last looks.

Sensitive Subjects: I was alway taught by those that got me into set situations a certain code.  Makeup and Hair is their safe haven.  Talent can talk about whatever they like or just be quiet.  We simply listen, and respond in neutral.  You can have fun but when it comes to sensitive topics I simply say something like,  "Really? That's great." or "I'm sorry you feel that way."  Remember DO NOT GOSSIP.  You never know who is listening and I've seen people lose jobs for it.

That's my experience and two cents. Hope it helps. ^-^

Jun 29 07 07:39 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

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New York, New York, US

NinaDarguzis wrote:
As far as conversing: I'm quiet when it calls to be--if I'm in a trailer I can be as loud or chatty as I like, on set I tend to be quiet and jump in and speak up if they forget to call last looks.

Sensitive Subjects: I was alway taught by those that got me into set situations a certain code.  Makeup and Hair is their safe haven. (Emphasis mine) Talent can talk about whatever they like or just be quiet.  We simply listen, and respond in neutral.  You can have fun but when it comes to sensitive topics I simply say something like,  "Really? That's great." or "I'm sorry you feel that way."  Remember DO NOT GOSSIP.  You never know who is listening and I've seen people lose jobs for it.

That's my experience and two cents. Hope it helps. ^-^

Absolutely. As is the way it should be, and unfortunately some people forget this.

(You guys often spend more time with the talent than I do! And very little can save a shoot with a model now feeling extremely self-conscious or having a bad attitude because of a bad convo with make-up/hair. Some models are self-conscious or have bad attitudes anyhow, and they don't usually last long, but we're talking about the preventable cases...)

Much agreement.

Jun 29 07 08:02 pm Link

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ganeshkarma

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New York, New York, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:

Absolutely. As is the way it should be, and unfortunately some people forget this.

(You guys often spend more time with the talent than I do! And very little can save a shoot with a model now feeling extremely self-conscious or having a bad attitude because of a bad convo with make-up/hair. Some models are self-conscious or have bad attitudes anyhow, and they don't usually last long, but we're talking about the preventable cases...)

Much agreement.

Absolutley agree! Our job is to prep them for a job ahead, if we have bad attitude it will rub off.

Jun 29 07 09:07 pm Link

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Janet Harris

Posts: 367

Allen, Texas, US

Listen to instructions the given to you !!

I was working fairly steady for a glamour photographer,who decided to shoot on a weekend I would be out of town for( Grand parents 50th anniversary ).So he hired another artist for a three day weekend shoot...at the end of day one I got a panicked call...HELP!! The artist wouldn't listen and kept putting high shine on the eyes and cheeks(a little is fine,a lot is too reflective).
I had to call around and found them an artist I knew that would do what was needed...the already hired artist then had to assist,and of course was never hired again...they couldn't cancel the shoot because all the models had come in from out of town.

Jun 29 07 10:32 pm Link

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Kimberly Pletz

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Los Angeles, California, US

Melissa Rachelle wrote:

I've taken my shoes off in studio shoots before.  Is this really a problem?

The thing is that I'm short.  So depending on how tall the model is I have to tiptoe to put their makeup on.  So depending on the model's height I have to carry heels to shoots with me so I can do their makeup.  So sometimes when I do hair, the model goes to a lower chair and I can take my shoes off.

Ususally taking your shoes off is a great idea because marking up the back drop or set really pisses people off... Just make sure you wash your damn feet... roll some deoderant on them if you have an odor issue...

Jun 30 07 02:56 am Link

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Kimberly Pletz

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Los Angeles, California, US

Deadly Design Make-up wrote:

ohh my god, what was she thinking, and how the heck could that be comfortable, unless she is a stripper smile hehehehe
how could anyone thing that that is professional?????

HA HA HA... I have had assistants show up like that & I send their asses home.. They aren't there to pick up, or are they? Just in case... NOT on my clock... I had this one assistant that was talking to the DP for over an hour flirting & didnt do shit... She went home....

Jun 30 07 02:58 am Link

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Adieu

Posts: 6427

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
Don't make the talent feel like crap.

That's rule #1.

Yeah! I was getting my makeup done the other day, and the MUA said every negative thing about me I could think of (and even things I never noticed).

Well by golly, I felt like shit.

Jun 30 07 03:18 am Link

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Sophie R

Posts: 1235

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Melissa Rachelle wrote:
I've taken my shoes off in studio shoots before.  Is this really a problem?

The thing is that I'm short.  So depending on how tall the model is I have to tiptoe to put their makeup on.  So depending on the model's height I have to carry heels to shoots with me so I can do their makeup.  So sometimes when I do hair, the model goes to a lower chair and I can take my shoes off.

No!

To say things clearly, like you shouldn't forget deodorant and breath mints, you shouldn't forget to wash your feet. If your feet stink, keep them in your shoes!

Otherwise, that's just fine, I guess.

Jun 30 07 11:22 am Link

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ganeshkarma

Posts: 684

New York, New York, US

Cynthia Rose wrote:
I am so strict with myself and I really follow Setiquette to a T. (no gum chewing, no gossiping, dressing appropriately, being early, cleanly, and just being all around appropriate.) but yesterday I was working for a publication I frequently work for and for some reason during lunch I decide to pick up a paper and read it. I got to a part about Ann Coulter and I blurted out how much I hate that woman and went on tangent it for a bit. And then I remembered where I was and shut myself up.
Oh well. I chalk it up to temporary insanity brought about by my blinding hate for Ann Coulter. And they did just contact me today to do another shoot, so they obviously hate her too. lol.

I have moments like that too LOL! Not so much political any more, I have leaned my lesson, but more social or cultural. Then I realize I just broke my own rule and bite my lip. Hey we are all human, we do have talent of inserting that foot in the mouth.
Your are not alone doe eyes!

Jun 30 07 11:57 am Link

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Melissa Rachelle

Posts: 2162

Miami, Florida, US

Sophie R wrote:

No!

To say things clearly, like you shouldn't forget deodorant and breath mints, you shouldn't forget to wash your feet. If your feet stink, keep them in your shoes!

Otherwise, that's just fine, I guess.

My feet never have a smell.  If they did I'd be too embarassed to take my shoes off. 

I'm 5'3 and models are generally 5'9 and taller.  How many of you MUAs are shorties like me and have to tiptoe to do makeup? 

If I put them on a lower chair, I have to bend over and my back hurts.  If I put them on my director's chair, I have to tiptoe a bit.  I got in the habit now of just carrying a pair of comfortable heels with me just in case I need them.  Do any of you have the same problem?

I'll start another thread and ask the fashion stylists about shoes.

Jun 30 07 12:52 pm Link

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Cynthia Rose

Posts: 468

New York, New York, US

ganeshkarma wrote:
I have moments like that too LOL! Not so much political any more, I have leaned my lesson, but more social or cultural. Then I realize I just broke my own rule and bite my lip. Hey we are all human, we do have talent of inserting that foot in the mouth.
Your are not alone doe eyes!

Thanx Vik! I felt like such a dope. smile

And Melissa, I am only a tiny 5 feet tall!!! I feel your pain. I wear these sneakers with lifts in them (not spice girls sneakers, though!). But recently I started wearing converse and I've been fine. Models are sweet enough to bend over or sit down so i can touch them up. But I totally feel you on the chair situation. It's either too high or too low. lol. oh well, I'm used to just dealing with my height as a handicap and not even thinking anything of it.

Jun 30 07 01:29 pm Link

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Sophie R

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Paris, Île-de-France, France

Melissa Rachelle wrote:
My feet never have a smell.  If they did I'd be too embarassed to take my shoes off. 

I'm 5'3 and models are generally 5'9 and taller.  How many of you MUAs are shorties like me and have to tiptoe to do makeup? 

If I put them on a lower chair, I have to bend over and my back hurts.  If I put them on my director's chair, I have to tiptoe a bit.  I got in the habit now of just carrying a pair of comfortable heels with me just in case I need them.  Do any of you have the same problem?

I'll start another thread and ask the fashion stylists about shoes.

I'm 5'3 too. I have a pic of me retouching a very tall model on set. I'm the same height but that's because I'm standing on a chair!! Cracks me up!

I am much better having the model in a high chair even if I have to tiptoe a bit (not that much) but I have back problems.

Then a normal chair for hair.

Jun 30 07 01:33 pm Link

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KLF Makeup

Posts: 384

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Bumping to make this a happier place.

Jul 11 07 12:52 am Link

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ROSHAR

Posts: 3791

Los Angeles, California, US

Thanks for bumping this Karri!
The info in here is very useful for everyone.

My biggest pet peeve is when the photographer starts shooting
and the hairstylist or other makeup artist just dissapears or sits at a distance not keeping an eye out on whats going on.

Im always behind the photographer (not crowding them) so I can see what they see at their angle.

I get sooo irritated when I have to jump in and fix a strand cause the hairstylist is
sitting reading a magazine.

Jul 11 07 01:18 am Link

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ROSHAR

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Los Angeles, California, US

Cynthia Rose wrote:
I got to a part about Ann Coulter and I blurted out how much I hate that woman and went on tangent it for a bit. And then I remembered where I was and shut myself up.
Oh well. I chalk it up to temporary insanity brought about by my blinding hate for Ann Coulter. And they did just contact me today to do another shoot, so they obviously hate her too. lol.

LOL!

Dont worry Cindy- If I read that I would have forgotten where i was too!
LOL

Jul 11 07 01:21 am Link

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Cynthia Rose

Posts: 468

New York, New York, US

Roshar wrote:

LOL!

Dont worry Cindy- If I read that I would have forgotten where i was too!
LOL

Thanks Ro!!! Damn that woman! lol.

Jul 11 07 01:37 am Link

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Elizabeth Lakomsky

Posts: 2235

New York, New York, US

I did a TFP where one of the "models" (I'm using the term loosely) brought her freakin' DOG! so of course the dog wanted to be where the action is (the makeup station), while the girls were literally throwing a ball over my head as I was working on someone else.
Another thing that bothers me are photographers that think you can do hair AND makeup in 15 minutes flat...

Jul 11 07 02:03 am Link