Photographer
BYS
Posts: 11614
Paris, Île-de-France, France
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
Who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
Who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
Who is suppose to choose the stylist ?
"they never answer my message
they snob me ......."
Be better and cut the crap !
"another flake ...."
Be better on your choice ! teasing bimbos love to flake !
photographers ?
it starts before a shoot to be
Blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard tears are'nt very attractive.... lmao
to make it short ,YOU deserve what you got
and you don't catch flies with vinager
and
you guys are funny
you bitch about any kind of elitism and selection on MM
at the same time about the lack of serious people
huh? you can't stop bitching in fact
give them one reason not to find something better to do ,they wont flake !
Your tears will add to all i said above:" whiner "
fucking bad marketing !
tb
Clothing Designer
nothing
Posts: 9229
Okinawa, Okinawa, Japan
Photographer
Czenkephoto
Posts: 65
London, Ontario, Canada
Photographer
GDS Photos
Posts: 3399
London, England, United Kingdom
Photographer
Gary Davis
Posts: 1829
San Diego, California, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
who is suppose to choose the stylist ? Then people ask why we automatically own the copyrights...
Photographer
Jay Bowman
Posts: 6511
Los Angeles, California, US
ixxxix wrote:
Fucking right... Well put...
Model
Envy
Posts: 11189
Nashville, Tennessee, US
ixxxix wrote:
Fucking right... You casted Vader. He was a poor performer.
Photographer
Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23492
Los Angeles, California, US
ixxxix wrote:
Fucking right... Envy wrote:
You casted Vader. He was a poor performer. You've got to be kidding me! He was the star!
It was a moment of casting brilliance on my part. Sheer genius...
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
tb I just had to shoot with a model that refused to give me the poses that I want, that wanted to do her OWN ideas because she says that it's her job.
However, I try to explain to her that I am the one who is the CD and photographer for the designer.
I told her after the shoot that I think that she is extremely difficult to shoot with and unable to give me the expressions I needed.
No matter what I said and suggested, she wanted to put her own "twist" on it... or thought that a certain pose wouldn't "go with that outfit"
I was pretty annoyed.
So... who is at fault here?
Was it pre-casting error?
Certainly not... because you couldn't know before what a disaster that model would be.
The designer wants to use her again, but I will advise him that we have enough models and won't need her.
Another model, less experienced, but prettier and someone who listens totally gave me what I wanted and put all the effort in... it was a delight.
The last model at that shoot, who observed it all is represented by NY Models (same agency as Omahyra Mota) and used to be a model at Project Runway was totally shaking her head about the behavior of that model at the shoot... AND how that model behaved towards HER...
So... BYS... my take on it is: SHIT HAPPENS!
I understand your rant, but you know... sometimes... people just got to vent about bad situations.
Model
SARAHphim RBS
Posts: 4639
Spring, Texas, US
udor wrote:
I just had to shoot with a model that refused to give me the poses that I want, that wanted to do her OWN ideas because she says that it's her job.
However, I try to explain to her that I am the one who is the CD and photographer for the designer.
I told her after the shoot that I think that she extremely difficult to shoot with and unable to give me the expressions I needed.
No matter what I said and suggested, she wanted to put her own "twist" on it... or thought that a certain pose wouldn't "go with that outfit"
I was pretty annoyed.
So... who is at fault here?
Was it pre-casting error?
Certainly not... because you couldn't know before what a disaster that model would be.
The designer wants to use her again, but I will advise him that we have enough models and won't need her.
Another model, less experienced, but prettier and someone who listens totally gave me what I wanted and put all the effort in... it was a delight.
The last model at that shoot, who observed it all is represented by NY Models (same agency as Omahyra Mota) and used to be a model at Project Runway was totally shaking her head about the behavior of that model at the shoot... AND how that model behaved towards HER...
So... BYS... my take on it is: SHIT HAPPENS!
I understand your rant, but you know... sometimes... people just got to vent about bad situations. Wow, that really sucks
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50123
San Ramon, California, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
who is suppose to choose the stylist ?
"they never answer my message
they snob me ......."
be better and cut the crap !
"another flake ...."
be better on your choice !
photographers ? it starts before a shoot to be
blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard it's not very attractive.... lmao
tb what
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
BYS wrote:
photographers ? it starts before a shoot to be
blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard it's not very attractive.... lmao
tb Btw., I would not have told this story if you didn't started this thread.
Just wanted to illustrate why some people may feel compelled to rant... 
Photographer
EdBPhotography
Posts: 7741
Torrance, California, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
who is suppose to choose the stylist ?
"they never answer my message
they snob me ......."
be better and cut the crap !
"another flake ...."
be better on your choice !
photographers ? it starts before a shoot to be
blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard it's not very attractive.... lmao
tb Thank you.
Now get back to you taxi, you have a fare waiting!
Photographer
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Posts: 5105
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
who is suppose to choose the stylist ?
"they never answer my message
they snob me ......."
be better and cut the crap !
"another flake ...."
be better on your choice !
photographers ? it starts before a shoot to be
blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard it's not very attractive.... lmao
tb Frame this shit
Model
D M M
Posts: 7910
Boston, Massachusetts, US
JSmith - Photographer wrote:
Frame this shit I know! It's effing beautiful, yeah?
Makeup Artist
StacyMakes-up
Posts: 158
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Valkyrie at RBS wrote:
Wow, that really sucks I know... worst thing is... I know her for over three years, but only from working on runway shows together... that was the first time we worked on a dedicated photoshoot. There was another incident the day before at Bryant Park (Fashion Week), where I had to straighten her out...
This Russian lady is very self serving and more interested in self promotion than doing what she is being paid for.
Photographer
Larry Brown Camera
Posts: 1081
Atlantic Beach, Florida, US
I can identify....... I had a model recently that thought she knew what the camera could see!
Insisted on doing "her thing" and resented my offering her directions!
It was a pain in the A-- / We finally ended the session "not so politely"!
She would turn the wrong way... for the composition and lighting.... and her expressions were contrived. In fact "Nothing worked for me"!
Photographer
yourphotographer
Posts: 1668
Chicago, Illinois, US
ixxxix wrote:
Fucking right... fucking a right and whatever the fuck you were talking about.
Model
- River -
Posts: 2833
Potsdam, New York, US
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Larry Brown Camera wrote:
I can identify....... I had a model recently that thought she knew what the camera could see!
Insisted on doing "her thing" and resented my offering her directions!
It was a pain in the A-- / We finally ended the session "not so politely"!
She would turn the wrong way... for the composition and lighting.... and her expressions were contrived. In fact "Nothing worked for me"! A model like that is extremely uninspiring.
Photographer
JD Merryweather
Posts: 133
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US
udor wrote:
I just had to shoot with a model that refused to give me the poses that I want, that wanted to do her OWN ideas because she says that it's her job.
However, I try to explain to her that I am the one who is the CD and photographer for the designer.
I told her after the shoot that I think that she is extremely difficult to shoot with and unable to give me the expressions I needed.
No matter what I said and suggested, she wanted to put her own "twist" on it... or thought that a certain pose wouldn't "go with that outfit"
I was pretty annoyed.
So... who is at fault here?
Was it pre-casting error?
Certainly not... because you couldn't know before what a disaster that model would be.
The designer wants to use her again, but I will advise him that we have enough models and won't need her.
Another model, less experienced, but prettier and someone who listens totally gave me what I wanted and put all the effort in... it was a delight.
The last model at that shoot, who observed it all is represented by NY Models (same agency as Omahyra Mota) and used to be a model at Project Runway was totally shaking her head about the behavior of that model at the shoot... AND how that model behaved towards HER...
So... BYS... my take on it is: SHIT HAPPENS!
I understand your rant, but you know... sometimes... people just got to vent about bad situations. Maybe there needs to me a "handler" sub-industry created. This person would be able to coax the talent into behaving properly or just use a cattle prod. This would create a nice "buffer" to indemnify the liability.
All it would take is a nod from the photographer and "zap"!!!
In turn if a photographer gets out of hand - they could be zapped too.
It could also be a way for MUAs to branch out and generate additional cash flow.
"Oh Behave!!" would have a whole new meaning!!
Model
Rachel McFarlann
Posts: 137
Des Moines, Iowa, US
JD_Merryweather wrote:
Maybe there needs to me a "handler" sub-industry created. This person would be able to coax the talent into behaving properly or just use a cattle prod. This would create a nice "buffer" to indemnify the liability.
All it would take is a nod from the photographer and "zap"!!!
In turn if a photographer gets out of hand - they could be zapped too.
It could also be a way for MUAs to branch out and generate additional cash flow.
"Oh Behave!!" would have a whole new meaning!! Right on, JD! Let's start a focus group. I volunteer as the first test subject.
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50123
San Ramon, California, US
Larry Brown Camera wrote:
I can identify....... I had a model recently that thought she knew what the camera could see!
Insisted on doing "her thing" and resented my offering her directions!
It was a pain in the A-- / We finally ended the session "not so politely"!
She would turn the wrong way... for the composition and lighting.... and her expressions were contrived. In fact "Nothing worked for me"! whenever I feel this its becouse the model lacks respect and the images reflect that. Ive had a great concept a great set and a great model turn into shit becouse the model could or would not follow instruction and had that what the fuck am I doing here look on her face half the time
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
photographers - own your shit
Model
natalie claire
Posts: 159
Los Angeles, California, US
BYS wrote:
"the model was unable to pose, she did'nt have any ideas "
who cast her ?
"the mua fuck up the all shoot"
who hire this mua ?
"the wardrobe stylist was a pain in the ass fashion victim"
who is suppose to choose the stylist ?
"they never answer my message
they snob me ......."
be better and cut the crap !
"another flake ...."
be better on your choice !
photographers ? it starts before a shoot to be
blame yourself for bad castings , bad pre castings and cut the tears
it's not a forum it's a "tears compilation"
and i heard tears are'nt very attractive.... lmao
tb Ok i'm a little young and new to all this but my take on it is this, if you hire me and are paying me, i do what you want...smile, frown, growl, crawl, whatever (oh EXCEPT that thing where the photographer tells me to squeeze my arms together to make my cleavage pop, i hate that!!)...
if you ask me for a *collaboration* then i expect to work with you and come up with ideas and poses together. Like a marriage, only creepier!
Easy stuff.. this is NOT rocket science...
Interview all the cast before the shoot ... mua, hair, wardrobe, caterer, janitor, stripper pole cleaner-guy, thong-snapper, reflector holder, parking valet... whomever you need to work well with. You want good images? You have to hire good people!
Mr. BYS do all your shoots come out perfect? (they seem to be perfect!)
and if they do is it because you take a lot of time and effort into casting?
Photographer
BYS
Posts: 11614
Paris, Île-de-France, France
natalie claire wrote:
Ok i'm a little young and new to all this but my take on it is this, if you hire me and are paying me, i do what you want...smile, frown, growl, crawl, whatever (oh EXCEPT that thing where the photographer tells me to squeeze my arms together to make my cleavage pop, i hate that!!)...
if you ask me for a *collaboration* then i expect to work with you and come up with ideas and poses together. Like a marriage, only creepier!
Easy stuff.. this is NOT rocket science...
Interview all the cast before the shoot ... mua, hair, wardrobe, caterer, janitor, stripper pole cleaner-guy, thong-snapper, reflector holder, parking valet... whomever you need to work well with. You want good images? You have to hire good people!
Mr. BYS do all your shoots come out perfect? (they seem to be perfect!)
and if they do is it because you take a lot of time and effort into casting? miss natalie the answer is yes
i spend much more time on making a shoot ready to be "shoot" than to shoot it
ty for your clever questions as usual
tb
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50123
San Ramon, California, US
preperation for a shoot can take days or even weeks and can be the differance between ok images and great images
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Update on the model from above: The designer trusts my judgment and she won't be shooting with us anymore. Next two weekends will be a whole bunch of shoots and one in Massachusetts in a large estate...  Advise to models: If you are not being hired as CD/AD (creative or art director for a commercial shoot) and not being asked about your input, don't argue with the people who are paying you!
Model
LifeIsBeautiful
Posts: 814
Newark, Delaware, US
udor wrote:
I just had to shoot with a model that refused to give me the poses that I want, that wanted to do her OWN ideas because she says that it's her job.
However, I try to explain to her that I am the one who is the CD and photographer for the designer.
I told her after the shoot that I think that she is extremely difficult to shoot with and unable to give me the expressions I needed.
No matter what I said and suggested, she wanted to put her own "twist" on it... or thought that a certain pose wouldn't "go with that outfit"
I was pretty annoyed.
So... who is at fault here?
Was it pre-casting error?
Certainly not... because you couldn't know before what a disaster that model would be.
The designer wants to use her again, but I will advise him that we have enough models and won't need her.
Another model, less experienced, but prettier and someone who listens totally gave me what I wanted and put all the effort in... it was a delight.
The last model at that shoot, who observed it all is represented by NY Models (same agency as Omahyra Mota) and used to be a model at Project Runway was totally shaking her head about the behavior of that model at the shoot... AND how that model behaved towards HER...
So... BYS... my take on it is: SHIT HAPPENS!
I understand your rant, but you know... sometimes... people just got to vent about bad situations. I knew a model like that, it even drove ME nuts just watching her.
Model
Jesting Vixen
Posts: 9
Marlboro, Vermont, US
udor wrote:
Advise to models:
If you are not being hired as CD/AD (creative or art director for a commercial shoot) and not being asked about your input, don't argue with the people who are paying you!
Word! Golden Rule: Them what got's the gold makes the rule!
Photographer
SpoXemodel of Las Vegas
Posts: 1270
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Here is what I know:
Pay the model.
Pay the MUA.
Pay the stylist.
Pay the photographer.
Pay or not though,
Models think they know everything,
MUA's think they know everything,
Stylists think they know everything,
Photographers think they know everything.
The person who really knows everything...the guy/gal writing the big check. And he/she can still be a flake.
Photographer
Archived
Posts: 13509
Phoenix, Arizona, US
teasing bimbos love to flake ! ^^ haha
Photographer
geraldtay
Posts: 41
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Well, I read somewhere that it's just human nature to blame the situation (and others) when mistakes occur. But I believe since in the end since photographers are the ones getting the credit for the work (it's like how often do you hear a 'great makeup' as a comment), then when things go wrong, its only right to take the blame too. I believe that when things go wrong it's better to make it a learning opportunity for the whole team instead. Sounds Utopian, but i guess its about constantly improving and troubleshooting so that it same problem does not happen again. 
Model
Sheryll Scott
Posts: 257
Los Angeles, California, US
that made me smile lol
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