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is there a hair lighting secret?
What makes the hair stylists and the hair product people really happy in lighting terms? Dec 08 07 11:29 pm Link wrap around rims with no spill. 1/4 cto or 1/4 ctb if its black going more into a cooler tone image. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 08 07 11:40 pm Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: I don't know what that means. NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: Makes sense. Dec 08 07 11:49 pm Link doesn't the "wrap around rims" just mean something similar to a snoot to control the light? Dec 08 07 11:51 pm Link means you should fully envelop the hair with rimlights set as you want it, so depending on the hair shape and style and texture that may need two or 4 or 6 or 8 lights to get it all and control the spill. Show the texture without adverse lighting on the face that creates any contradicting lighting or shadows that reconture the face from the way you would like it lit for the best advantage of the model and image. Many try to light the hair and then work around the limitations it creates on lighting the face the way they want, for real work it should not be a compromise, light it correctly and you can seperate control for both. Like shooting still life and glass or diamonds doing it well in one shot is not a compromise its a good setup. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 08 07 11:56 pm Link Oh, I see. That makes sense too. Thanks again, Stephen! Dec 08 07 11:59 pm Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: Could you show us a setup in a picture format or a diagram, I understand what you are saying, but some people would like to see layouts! You are the master, show some studio samples, Please. Dec 09 07 12:00 am Link I rarely ever have any behind the scenes shots, now that I am doing dvds and video I have someone who does nothing but behind the scenes. Never needed it since I never try to redo anything, I just do it again how ever I think would work out, hopefully by the time I am doing it a second time I have learned something useful from the past. Think lots of lights with tight grids, and maybe a few blackcards if needed. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 09 07 12:17 am Link Stephen, Could one use a couple of 10 degree grids on 7" reflectors, or would there be too much spill? Dec 09 07 12:27 am Link not to add too greatly to the dimwit quotient here but what is 1/4 cto or ctb? Dec 09 07 12:33 am Link Michael Moe wrote: you could use barndoors and blackwrap, anything could control it its all in how you control it. Grids make life easier but its not needed, black cards, blackwrap, all work. Dec 09 07 12:38 am Link Jirrupin wrote: fred durst everyone... Dec 09 07 12:40 am Link Since i may have a moderator reading, is there any way that they will ad the functionality to search all your own previous posts so I can find all my own brilliant writings and copy paste them in the future until I start to realize I had no idea what I was saying when I worote them? Would make my life easier I do not usually start threads so searching for started by is mainly useless, since if I did start it I probably know what it was called. OK assuming I had a memory I would have known what it was called  Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 09 07 12:42 am Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: thank you Stephen, as always Dec 09 07 12:42 am Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: That was actually a recently added search feature until Tyler shut off all the searches Thursday to speed up the database. Not sure when it will be back. I hope soon. Note, it only searches for threads where you were the original poster. I don't think you can search for any thread you've participated in unless you do it via Google. Example Google search terms: site:modelmayhem.com "Stephen Eastwood" lighting As an alternative, there is a thread stickied at the top of the photography section here that is a list of threads where good advice has been given out. To suggest threads be included in that list, post to the suggestion thread here: https://www.modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=215361 Dec 09 07 01:25 am Link I would not say they were good threads, just included things I would be retyping so its easier to just grab the old one and copy paste Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 09 07 01:28 am Link I keep a text file on my desktop for those things. Or I add them to my blog. Dec 09 07 01:29 am Link Just tried that google search, that narrowed it down to a few million, many I probably don't want to see LOL Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com Dec 09 07 01:30 am Link Ched wrote: isn't that too organized for a photographer? Dec 09 07 01:35 am Link Brandon Vincent wrote: I just peed myself. Thanks. Dec 09 07 01:39 am Link To get a little more basic, and since I'm going to assume most people here don't have six to eight strobe heads just for the hair, :-) I'll just say that the biggest thing is to think angles. What I mean by that is that instead of simply lighting the hair, you want to see the reflected light in the hair. That's what gives it shine and is what is achieved by the rim lighting that Stephen is talking about. The light should be aimed back towards the camera, not away from it. It's possible, depending on the hair and style, to do it with one or two hair lights, although it might not show enough detail for some clients. Of the hair clients I have, they are usually more interested in a nice image and not so concerned with seeing every hair, even when the hair is dark. All that being said, I've shot ads for a hair care client with a ring flash before so there you go. Completely opposite of what I just said up there. Sometimes it's more about shape and silhouettes (used in the fashion sense) that detain and shiny hair. :-) Dec 09 07 03:19 am Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: I don't know why this forum doesn't have it, most forums do and it's a great tool. Makes it so much easier for everyone. Dec 09 07 11:18 am Link you don't need 6-8 lights just for the hair. 2 is sufficient, 3 is better. what you're trying to do is bring out the highlights. lighting placement and choice of modifiers are far more important than the number of heads you are using. Dec 09 07 03:28 pm Link Ched wrote: Being able to actually see the hair. Sean Armenta does it very well. Since images have yet to be posted, here are examples of what has been mentioned so far. NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote:
Brooks Ayola wrote: Two medium softboxes. One high over camera and one to model's left. Reflector positioned to model's right. Brooks Ayola wrote: Tru dat. Octodome high and center, reflector under chin. Background in post. Sean Armenta wrote: Ding ding ding. The post that made me dig for shots. Dec 09 07 08:31 pm Link thanks bt Jan 18 08 10:49 am Link Geeze Bruce, You are a true master in your art. Jan 18 08 12:03 pm Link Ched wrote: "Touchability" is a term Ive often heard used by stylists evaluating photographs of hair. No matter how technical this thread may be the best lighting may not make hair look soft and "touchable". Dont overdo your fan, keep yor room light soft and I also like to use a bit of dodge tool on highlights 20% to pop things a little Jan 18 08 12:20 pm Link I used a softbox to the left and a travellite w/ umbrella to the right. Tell me what you think? This was done in a nightclub before a fashion show.  Jan 18 08 04:40 pm Link Ched wrote: Although I have nothing valuable to add, I just wanted to step in and say Thank You Ched for starting this thread; and thanks to everyone else for teaching me something new that I can use later. Jan 18 08 05:31 pm Link NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote: What he said... Jan 18 08 05:35 pm Link |
