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Caity B

Posts: 2977

Bangor, Maine, US

Hey guys... I know this sounds pretty dumb but I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing here before I spend $$$.

To wirelessly slave a Vivitar 285 off camera (30D if it matters), I need two pocket wizards, right?  A transmitter and receiver?   My professor kind of sped by that today in class and I forgot to talk to her afterwards to clear it up.  Do they sell them in pairs when you buy them or do you get them seperately?

Thanks in advance!

Jan 16 08 08:05 pm Link

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Jared Holder

Posts: 1608

Speightstown, Saint Peter, Barbados

Umm, I think now they just use "transceivers" which can be used as the trigger or the slave.

So you would need 2 transceivers.

Of course I don't own any so this is just a guess.

Jan 16 08 08:08 pm Link

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Michael Bates

Posts: 1554

Austin, Texas, US

The new ones are unisex....they will either be the transmitter or receiver depending on where they are hooked up.... so the one you put on the hot shoe will know it's the transmitter..and the one on your light will know it's supposed to receive smile You don't have to do anything but hook'em up smile

Michael

Jan 16 08 08:08 pm Link

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Caity B

Posts: 2977

Bangor, Maine, US

Michael Bates wrote:
The new ones are unisex....they will either be the transmitter or receiver depending on where they are hooked up.... so the one you put on the hot shoe will know it's the transmitter..and the one on your light will know it's supposed to receive smile You don't have to do anything but hook'em up smile

Michael

That's exactly what I was looking for, Thank you Michael!  big_smile

http://www.pocketwizard.com/HTML/plus2.asp

That would be the one you're talking about, correct?

Jan 16 08 08:09 pm Link

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Caity B

Posts: 2977

Bangor, Maine, US

Jared H Photography wrote:
Umm, I think now they just use "transceivers" which can be used as the trigger or the slave.

So you would need 2 transceivers.

Of course I don't own any so this is just a guess.

Thank you, Jared! big_smile

Jan 16 08 08:09 pm Link

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InnerGlow Studios

Posts: 1712

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Yes, you need two units.  If you get the Pocket Wizard Plus you'll need a transmitter and receiver; if you get the MultiMax units, you just need two -- each can be configured to act as a transmitter or receiver.  The Plus units give you four channels to work with; the more expensive MultiMax give you 32 channels -- something to think about if you'll be shooting in an environment where other wireless triggers are operating.

Jan 16 08 08:11 pm Link

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BlindMike

Posts: 9594

San Francisco, California, US

Caity B wrote:
Hey guys... I know this sounds pretty dumb but I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing here before I spend $$$.

To wirelessly slave a Vivitar 285 off camera (30D if it matters), I need two pocket wizards, right?  A transmitter and receiver?   My professor kind of sped by that today in class and I forgot to talk to her afterwards to clear it up.  Do they sell them in pairs when you buy them or do you get them seperately?

Thanks in advance!

Yup, you'll need 2. The older Plus model comes in a transmitter and receiver model (could buy them as a set or individually). The Plus II and Multimax are transceiver models (they function as both transmitter and receiver) though you still need a pair to work (buy individually).

If you're going to school for photography, you might want to check and see if you qualify for the MAC on campus program. You can get a pretty good discount on PWs -
http://www.pictureline.com/specials/pdf … 8_07-1.pdf

If not, mpex has them for $178 each (sometimes they run sales on them) -
http://www.mpex.com/browse.cfm/4,124.htm

Jan 16 08 08:13 pm Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11733

Olney, Maryland, US

Pocket Wizards = big bucks

You could use your on camera flash to trigger a Wein peanut slave.  These come in two flavours: regular and digital.  I don't know the difference and I suspect that you would have to set your camera in manual mode to avoid preflashes.

Also you could look into the "ebay triggers" by Gadget-Infinity:

http://stores.ebay.com/Gadget-Infinity_ … ubZ2214405

http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/home.php

Jan 16 08 08:30 pm Link

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Mike Kelcher

Posts: 13322

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

I'll just about guarantee that you'll be happier with a Micro Sync from Tamrac. It's not a big mammoth device like a pocket wizard. It's a little smaller than a pack of gum.

https://www.microsyncdigital.com/images/products1.jpg


More info  ----->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/index.cfm

Even more info --->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/products.cfm

Jan 16 08 08:38 pm Link

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Enon Orez

Posts: 141

Miami, Florida, US

I use a Vivitar 285HV off camera, (Nikon D80), with the Ebay Gadget-Infinity triggers, (less than $20.00). No problems so far.

Jan 16 08 08:49 pm Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11733

Olney, Maryland, US

I don't know about Canons but for the price of two PWs I could buy a dedicated Nikon flash and have some change left over.  My camera will control the flash wirelessly and I'll have TTL to boot.

Jan 16 08 08:50 pm Link

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robert christopher

Posts: 2706

Snohomish, Washington, US

elenchrome (sp?) has a new radio trigger system that is priced pretty well

Jan 17 08 12:00 am Link

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Caity B

Posts: 2977

Bangor, Maine, US

I really appreciate all the suggestions, everyone, thank you so much for trying to help, but I'm really set and sold on the PocketWizards, it's a brand I know and trust, it's what my class is using to learn with, and I want to be able to learn with the class and understand the demo.

But really, thank you all, my question has been answered.

smile

Jan 17 08 12:06 am Link

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Jeffrey Engel

Posts: 22327

Waltham, Massachusetts, US

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
I'll just about guarantee that you'll be happier with a Micro Sync from Tamrac. It's not a big mammoth device like a pocket wizard. It's a little smaller than a pack of gum.

https://www.microsyncdigital.com/images/products1.jpg


More info  ----->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/index.cfm

Even more info --->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/products.cfm

I heard those are good.

But can it do 1600 feet and go through walls? wink  heheh

I literally did that last month in North Carolina, setting up a house shot on one hill, shot from another, I had strobes placed around the house, contacting assistant via cell phone. Shot the house and grounds with my 70-210mm at night. It was so cool!

This is what Pocket Wizard is famous for... their reliability at great distances and through objects. That's why so many don't mess around and just go straight to PW.

Jan 17 08 12:43 am Link

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Red House Pacific

Posts: 277

Chula Vista, California, US

You may also need the little cable that goes from the PW to the 285.
If you do decide to get the PW, let me know.  I may have an extra cable I can give you.  Should save you about $20.

Jan 17 08 03:10 am Link

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Cliff from NJ

Posts: 1430

Clinton, New Jersey, US

Caity B wrote:
I really appreciate all the suggestions, everyone, thank you so much for trying to help, but I'm really set and sold on the PocketWizards, it's a brand I know and trust, it's what my class is using to learn with, and I want to be able to learn with the class and understand the demo.

But really, thank you all, my question has been answered.

smile

Correct decision. The only complaint about PW is the price. They outperform everything else and are the industry standard, by far.

Jan 17 08 08:39 am Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Mark Salo wrote:
I don't know about Canons but for the price of two PWs I could buy a dedicated Nikon flash and have some change left over.  My camera will control the flash wirelessly and I'll have TTL to boot.

System is optical/IR with maximum range of 30 feet, less outdoors in bright light.

Pre-flash from camera will make some models blink just in time for the exposing flash.

TTL is great for some situations, but manually-metered flash give much more control.

Non-TTL flashes cost 1/3 to 1/4 as much as TTL, leaving money for PW's and additional flashes.

Jan 17 08 08:45 am Link

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Scott Aitken

Posts: 3587

Seattle, Washington, US

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
I'll just about guarantee that you'll be happier with a Micro Sync from Tamrac. It's not a big mammoth device like a pocket wizard. It's a little smaller than a pack of gum.

The Micro Sync is a nifty looking device, but I have found it completely unreliable in my studio. Both the transmitter and the receiver fell apart numerous times and had to be replaced under warranty. And if it breaks that easily and that often in my studio, I can't imagine taking it on location. We finally tossed it and bought Pocket Wizards.

Jan 17 08 12:19 pm Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
I'll just about guarantee that you'll be happier with a Micro Sync from Tamrac. It's not a big mammoth device like a pocket wizard. It's a little smaller than a pack of gum.

https://www.microsyncdigital.com/images/products1.jpg


More info  ----->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/index.cfm

Even more info --->  http://www.microsyncdigital.com/products.cfm

I was looking into the Microsync system but was "spooked" by the 1/180 maximum synch speed, which is important to me because I am doing a lot of outdoor off-camera flash shooting (avatar is a recent example).

Also of concern was the 100 foot range. Range estimates are usually based on rosy scenarios, and I assume that the practical range will be a fraction of that.

The PW 1600 foot range = Lots of headroom.

I ended up getting PW Plus II's because of the 1/250 synch speed.

Jan 17 08 12:30 pm Link

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Special Ed

Posts: 3545

New York, New York, US

Mark Salo wrote:
Pocket Wizards = big bucks

You could use your on camera flash to trigger a Wein peanut slave.  These come in two flavours: regular and digital.  I don't know the difference and I suspect that you would have to set your camera in manual mode to avoid preflashes.

Also you could look into the "ebay triggers" by Gadget-Infinity:

http://stores.ebay.com/Gadget-Infinity_ … ubZ2214405

http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/home.php

Sure, if the flash was strong enough to set the slave off. In bright daylight it won't. and, if it did, it's probably casting light onto the model in which case it's a bad idea for controling your setup. If you are shooting indoors, it will cast light and shadows in places you probably don't want. Also, if you are shooting with the camera turned to vertical, your lens is instantly blocking the flash if your slave/light combo is on your right. This will also not work if the slave/light is needed to be around a corner or at a significant distance from your camera.

But ummm, other than that, I guess it will work hmm

Oh, and you should be shooting in manual when working with strobes anyway!

Jan 17 08 12:49 pm Link