Forums > Digital Art and Retouching > Photoshop CS5 - What would you want?

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Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

So as Adobe are inevitably coding away at the next iteration of our favorite program, I'm sitting here pondering what I hope to see included in it.  I take this forum seriously as I find it to be one of the best resources around for real-world retouching advice and techniques.  Hopefully, Adobe see the same potential among us.  I've listed my dream sheet below.  What would you want to see?



- Constant edge radii for brushes - no more changing size and hardness to keep a constant edge width; let me pick from hardness or edge radius depending on what I'm doing to keep things consistent with less effort.
- Fix the High Pass and Gaussian Blur filters.
- Include this - you already sponsored it.  And please leave me the ability to directly access its smoothing operations as well.
- Include more resampling techniques - older versions used to have this, but it went by the wayside.  It's worthwhile and compared to total UI rewrites, would be a very minor effort to include for us.
- Update & improve the smart sharpen filter to offer full convolution & deconvolution operations with assistance in building custom kernels for use with it.  Integrate Richardson-Lucy as at least one variant technique.  Articles are out there with algorithms to make this efficient and incredibly valuable.
- Fully integrate Pixel Bender.  Allow PS:Extended users to compile closed-source plugins for distribution & sale.  Allow singular rendering vs. continuously updated.  Include full open-ended array and matrix support.
- Offer more tonemapping options for the HDR conversion module - even if you only include those available in pfstmo, it would be a huge step forward, though there are certainly more which could be offered (Adobe Labs project?).
- Restoration of HSB & HSL to real Image Modes where they belong.

Aug 03 09 06:47 am Link

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00siris

Posts: 19182

New York, New York, US

more filters

Aug 03 09 06:50 am Link

Retoucher

Tarazz

Posts: 142

Howell, New Jersey, US

"smooth skin" with texture preserve option, filter smile

Aug 03 09 07:06 am Link

Photographer

Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

nm

Aug 03 09 07:09 am Link

Digital Artist

Eithne Ni Anluain

Posts: 1424

Dundalk, Louth, Ireland

Better brush definements and accuracy.

Aug 03 09 07:11 am Link

Retoucher

StaciC

Posts: 3128

Swansea, Illinois, US

auto save-as (1)    for if pc crashes :'(!


tongue

Aug 03 09 07:14 am Link

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Pelle Piano

Posts: 2312

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

To be able to include vector logos, and keep them vectorized when saving as PDF. Does not work now.( not even as smart object )

Aug 03 09 07:14 am Link

Digital Artist

Eithne Ni Anluain

Posts: 1424

Dundalk, Louth, Ireland

SCRetouching wrote:
auto save-as (1)    for if pc crashes :'(!


tongue

+1! Forgot about that! Like in MS word! autosaves every 5 mins...

Aug 03 09 07:20 am Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

An integrated Action editor/debugger

Much better adjustments for the Blend If... sliders

Contrast and Vibrance brushes

Ability to have any brush effect only one color

Paint-on filters

Aug 03 09 07:50 am Link

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Image Designers

Posts: 1740

San Francisco, California, US

The abillity to save history and restore it when re-opening the file.

Aug 03 09 07:54 am Link

Photographer

MEK Photography

Posts: 6571

Westminster, Maryland, US

Fix the god damn RAM crashes...

Aug 03 09 07:58 am Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

smaller, faster, and more reliable.

Aug 03 09 07:59 am Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Though I haven't been using PS long, I think there are many things they can do to improve the product. All of what you mentioned and I'll address some of them individually below.

1. Auto-save feature to run in the background set to once each XX mins or every XX "history steps".
2. Integrated tutorial recorder in Extended.
3. "Hot-swapping" of scripts to load/unload them without having to restart Photoshop.
4. Similar with Actions...each time recording is stopped on an action, update the cache to disk so the next time PS is started, it's the same as you left it. Now, if PS crashes and you've made hundreds of actions, they don't get saved unless you manually save them to a file. But, you have to reload them from disk.
5. Editable actions. Once an action is recorded, if you want to tweak that step just a bit you can't. You have to delete it and redo that step. Integrate this within the scripting interface so scripts can update actions or pass values to them.

Sean Baker wrote:
- Constant edge radii for brushes - no more changing size and hardness to keep a constant edge width; let me pick from hardness or edge radius depending on what I'm doing to keep things consistent with less effort.

If they don't, this might be possible with scripting. I'll look into it. I agree, this frustrates me as well.

Sean Baker wrote:
- Fully integrate Pixel Bender.  Allow PS:Extended users to compile closed-source plugins for distribution & sale.  Allow singular rendering vs. continuously updated.  Include full open-ended array and matrix support.

Definitely agree here. I'd be happy making some simple filter plugins I can share with others...backward compatible to older versions also.

Sean Baker wrote:
- Offer more tonemapping options for the HDR conversion module - even if you only include those available in pfstmo, it would be a huge step forward, though there are certainly more which could be offered (Adobe Labs project?).

Yes. Along with the ability to start from already opened files instead of always reading from disk to start. Or even a single multi-layered psd/tif file.

Sean Baker wrote:
- Restoration of HSB & HSL to real Image Modes where they belong.

Yes, yes yes.

Aug 03 09 08:25 am Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Image Designers wrote:
The abillity to save history and restore it when re-opening the file.

I'd like to be able to save the history into a sidecar file either manually or automatically. This is a nice idea. smile

Aug 03 09 08:26 am Link

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CNY Glamour

Posts: 89

Utica, New York, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

I'd like to be able to save the history into a sidecar file either manually or automatically. This is a nice idea. smile

There's the "History Log" feature in the preferences.

Aug 03 09 09:17 am Link

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Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

Forgot one:

- Let me output Calculations to a new layer.

Aug 03 09 09:19 am Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

GWAC wrote:

There's the "History Log" feature in the preferences.

Yes. That's not exactly what I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about a way to reload the history into the document so you can backstep through it again. Similar to working in ACR with the sidecar files but in reverse.

Aug 03 09 09:24 am Link

Retoucher

Kevin_Connery

Posts: 3307

Fullerton, California, US

Better Action and automation handling.

If you have a lot of actions, it's a pain to access them unless you assign (a LOT) of keyboard shortcuts. A custom toolbar or similar would be nice. (Yes, the configurator helps, but it's not a full solution.)

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
5. Editable actions. Once an action is recorded, if you want to tweak that step just a bit you can't. You have to delete it and redo that step.

This part actually is there, and has been since v7. Click on the action step, and select Record Again; it opens that step with the settings that were used.

Sean Baker wrote:
- Restoration of HSB & HSL to real Image Modes where they belong.

That would be very nice. I've got kludgey actions/scripts to access the channels, but use of either HSL or HSB as real working color models would be very handy.

Aug 03 09 11:19 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

History save. That's something that I've always dreamed of from them.

Aug 03 09 11:32 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Image Designers wrote:
The abillity to save history and restore it when re-opening the file.

You beat me to it.

Aug 03 09 11:33 am Link

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nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

Mac users will probably get 64 bit.

Aug 03 09 12:01 pm Link

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netmodel

Posts: 6786

Austin, Texas, US

Image Designers wrote:
The abillity to save history and restore it when re-opening the file.

+1!

Aug 03 09 12:15 pm Link

Retoucher

Michael Brittain

Posts: 2214

Wahiawa, Hawaii, US

I'd want the abilty to adjust brush sizes in liquify the same way you do when working in the rest of the program.

Aug 03 09 12:15 pm Link

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netmodel

Posts: 6786

Austin, Texas, US

nwprophoto wrote:
Mac users will probably get 64 bit.

They will. Adobe promised 64-bit edition for Macs.

Aug 03 09 12:16 pm Link

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Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

btdsgn wrote:
I'd want the abilty to adjust brush sizes in liquify the same way you do when working in the rest of the program.

Good point.  And 5000+px limits (or no limits) for liquify brushes, GB radii, and related.

Aug 03 09 12:17 pm Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
5. Editable actions. Once an action is recorded, if you want to tweak that step just a bit you can't. You have to delete it and redo that step.

Kevin_Connery wrote:
This part actually is there, and has been since v7. Click on the action step, and select Record Again; it opens that step with the settings that were used.


Not Record Again, but actually being able to open the action and adjust values. That's what I mean by an Action Editor.

Aug 03 09 12:22 pm Link

Retoucher

Michael Brittain

Posts: 2214

Wahiawa, Hawaii, US

I'd also like to see the patch tool work on a seperate layer.

Aug 03 09 12:42 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
5. Editable actions. Once an action is recorded, if you want to tweak that step just a bit you can't. You have to delete it and redo that step.

Kevin_Connery wrote:
This part actually is there, and has been since v7. Click on the action step, and select Record Again; it opens that step with the settings that were used.

Lumigraphics wrote:
Not Record Again, but actually being able to open the action and adjust values. That's what I mean by an Action Editor.

Yes, this is what I mean. Using "Record Again" will only work if the current document is set up to be able to process that step. Example: If I have a step select a layer with the name of "Hair", and I want to change that so it selects a layer named "Hair Mask" instead, that layer has to be present in the current document or it won't let me do the Record Again.

With the Action Editor, I could just open it and change the value, then run the action. It would save a lot of time if all I want to do is rename all the layers that get set up during an action.

Aug 03 09 01:37 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Kevin_Connery wrote:
Better Action and automation handling.

If you have a lot of actions, it's a pain to access them unless you assign (a LOT) of keyboard shortcuts. A custom toolbar or similar would be nice. (Yes, the configurator helps, but it's not a full solution.)

I don't know if you've tried this, but I was frustrated with the same thing. I switch the Actions Palette to Button Mode then just click on the action I want to run or tap with my pen. It saves a lot of keyboard shortcuts and trying to remember which shortcut does what.

A bit better/more customizable interface within Button Mode would be nice, though. smile

Aug 03 09 01:41 pm Link

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MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Honestly? Drop the price a bit. I have to upgrade Creative Suites every time. Make it like the donut shop that punches your card and you get a free upgrade after three punches or so.

Aug 03 09 01:46 pm Link

Retoucher

Kevin_Connery

Posts: 3307

Fullerton, California, US

Lumigraphics wrote:
Not Record Again, but actually being able to open the action and adjust values. That's what I mean by an Action Editor.

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
With the Action Editor, I could just open it and change the value, then run the action. It would save a lot of time if all I want to do is rename all the layers that get set up during an action.

Yes, that would be much better than Record Again. Since a lot of people don't know about Record Again, though, I figured I'd mention it.


Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Kevin_Connery wrote:
Better Action and automation handling.

If you have a lot of actions, it's a pain to access them unless you assign (a LOT) of keyboard shortcuts. A custom toolbar or similar would be nice. (Yes, the configurator helps, but it's not a full solution.)

I don't know if you've tried this, but I was frustrated with the same thing. I switch the Actions Palette to Button Mode then just click on the action I want to run or tap with my pen. It saves a lot of keyboard shortcuts and trying to remember which shortcut does what.

A bit better/more customizable interface within Button Mode would be nice, though. smile

With dozens of Action sets, each with a few dozen Actions (many of which are sub-actions, and shouldn't be accessed directly), Button Mode is useless for my purposes. I tried it for a few days, but it was harder to use than the default mode.

I even tried setting up actions to set up actions--load and unload action sets based on activity--before giving up.

Aug 03 09 05:03 pm Link

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doctorontop

Posts: 429

La Condamine, La Condamine, Monaco

btdsgn wrote:
I'd also like to see the patch tool work on a separate layer.

That's a good idea in fact a lot of good ideas I also agree with  Kevin Connery regarding easier access to actions and the ability to record actions within actions would be so useful. We can but hope someone from Adobe sees all of this smile

Aug 03 09 06:32 pm Link

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Fernando L Pacheco

Posts: 942

New York, New York, US

https://www.letoii.co.uk/Comedy/Computer%20jokes/read%20bosses%20mind.jpg

Aug 03 09 06:37 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Kevin_Connery wrote:

Lumigraphics wrote:
Not Record Again, but actually being able to open the action and adjust values. That's what I mean by an Action Editor.

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
With the Action Editor, I could just open it and change the value, then run the action. It would save a lot of time if all I want to do is rename all the layers that get set up during an action.

Yes, that would be much better than Record Again. Since a lot of people don't know about Record Again, though, I figured I'd mention it.


Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Kevin_Connery wrote:
Better Action and automation handling.

If you have a lot of actions, it's a pain to access them unless you assign (a LOT) of keyboard shortcuts. A custom toolbar or similar would be nice. (Yes, the configurator helps, but it's not a full solution.)

I don't know if you've tried this, but I was frustrated with the same thing. I switch the Actions Palette to Button Mode then just click on the action I want to run or tap with my pen. It saves a lot of keyboard shortcuts and trying to remember which shortcut does what.

A bit better/more customizable interface within Button Mode would be nice, though. smile

With dozens of Action sets, each with a few dozen Actions (many of which are sub-actions, and shouldn't be accessed directly), Button Mode is useless for my purposes. I tried it for a few days, but it was harder to use than the default mode.

I even tried setting up actions to set up actions--load and unload action sets based on activity--before giving up.

lol I'm almost at that point. That's why I'd like a better interface for the Button Mode...more configurable. Maybe more of a hierarchy type setup.

My workaround for now is hitting an action that calls a script. The script reads the name of the bottom-most layer then based on that name and/or the visibility of various layers, goes to the proper action(s) to set up my next step. That cut down on a lot of actions that I needed quick access to. In my normal workflow, I cut down from 12 buttons to 1 button. I was also able to cut down the misc action buttons by about half.

At one point, I was even having each step add a blank layer and based on the opacity setting when I clicked to go to the next step, it would do different things.

Aug 03 09 06:38 pm Link

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9stitches

Posts: 476

Los Angeles, California, US

Patch tool on more than one layer would be great. I could also point out it would be nice if clone tool blend modes worked on empty layers (in Normal layer blend mode) the way everybody seems to think they already do, but I'll just get shouted down again.

Direct access of tool presets, actually make that direct access of every PS function in Configurator. Some days I'm a photo restorer, some days I'm a catalog retoucher, some days I'm a 1019 wannabe; between savable workspaces and a truly functional panel creation tool, you could have a new Photoshop every day. Yippee.

I feel like nobody at Adobe cares how much the ghost that keeps turning on the Aligned checkbox terrifies and annoys me. That's been a recorded bug since as long as I've been using PS - 5.5, I think.

Smart filters/objects are still a little clumsy; I'd like to see a more fluid integration of non-destructive editing.

Liquify Tool. Yeah, I said it, don't hate. I think it's a natural evolution to smart filters that the mesh data would be saved with the layer, like a layer mask. After Effects can do this.

I don't know if I'd want to save the history, or autosave. I see history saving turning every 250MB .psd into a 3.5GB monstrosity, that only gets worse every time it's opened. Autosave would be alright if it somehow magically saved in the background without any performance hit, and to a separate file, of course.

And all the little time-saving things I don't have time to type or even think of, because I've got 72 hours of work to do in the next 60, if I want to make my plane for vacation.

PS lots of great suggestions above, esp. Baker, Connery, btdsgn and let's not forget mmdesign's important contribution. And Pellepiano. And everybody I forgot.

PPS okay, yeah, autosave would have saved me some time in the last week, so add my vote...

PPPS Button Mode is a mess. If Configurator is the long awaited replacement and ultimate Action Savior*, I hope it grows up fast.

*my new religious superhero

Aug 03 09 11:15 pm Link

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Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

Another:

- Access to out-of-mode channels in the Apply Image and Calculations tools.  I.e., if I want to subtract Cyan out of my Red channel, let me do it.  Maybe leave it as an optional thing which needs to be enabled in the Preferences dialog, as I recognize that this will cost a bit of processing time on the front end, but I'd really like to not need duplicate my image just to get a channel I want to do something with.

Aug 05 09 08:10 am Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Fix the Fade command. You can't Undo back to it, you have to work around the inability to see how the image looked before the original filter (by setting Fade amount to zero), really it should be part of the filter itself instead of separate.

Aug 05 09 12:50 pm Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Sean Baker wrote:
Another:

- Access to out-of-mode channels in the Apply Image and Calculations tools.  I.e., if I want to subtract Cyan out of my Red channel, let me do it.  Maybe leave it as an optional thing which needs to be enabled in the Preferences dialog, as I recognize that this will cost a bit of processing time on the front end, but I'd really like to not need duplicate my image just to get a channel I want to do something with.

I'd like the extra modes in Apply Image and Calculations to be present in the Blend Mode popup. I almost never use those other commands- I'd much rather create a layer and Blend that so it can be adjusted later. This is EXACTLY the same thing, except for the limitations by a slightly different feature set between commands.

Oh and how about live/refreshable composite channels? That should be a standard adjustment layer: Composite (all layers, selected layers, current layer and below, and selectable channels.) Double-clicking should give a list of layers used for the composite (missing or renamed layers handled like broken links in InDesign- show in italic, double-click to relink.)

Aug 05 09 12:54 pm Link

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9stitches

Posts: 476

Los Angeles, California, US

Lumigraphics wrote:
Fix the Fade command. You can't Undo back to it, you have to work around the inability to see how the image looked before the original filter (by setting Fade amount to zero), really it should be part of the filter itself instead of separate.

+1 It's a drag to have to Fill From History to the state just before the event you want to fade and fade the fill...

I like your idea of incorporating it - if they somehow seamlessly incorporated it into the plugin API; every filter gets Save, Cancel, + Blend Mode and Percentage (with live preview, natch).

Aug 05 09 03:25 pm Link

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Bruce Yonce

Posts: 784

Hermitage, Tennessee, US

The ability to batch process raw files to jpegs. I've read you can do this in Lightroom but I don't have Lightroom so the ability to do so in PS would be most helpful.

Aug 10 09 12:54 pm Link