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Photography Is Me
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San Diego, California, US
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help.
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J C ModeFotografie
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Los Angeles, California, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help. Eh?
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MurphyMurphy Studios
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Denver, Colorado, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help. Are you asking about a studio strobe or a hot light? Or, are you asking about using an off-camera flash vs. a studio strobe?
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James Andrew Imagery
Posts: 6713
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Photography Is Me wrote:
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help. If you can get sufficient power for your particular aperture and shutter speed combination requirements, then feel free to use a tungsten source. If you need a fast shutter and fairly stopped down aperture, then its unlikely that tungsten source will be sufficient - go with a flash.
If you go with a flash you are going to attract attention - if thats not desirable then its another consideration. Do you have power available for either in the location?
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Mr Anthony
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Vancouver, Washington, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help. How would you power the studio light? What effect(s) do you want? Working distances? Lenses? There's too many variables to give you a meaningful answer.
Perhaps you need to change your screen name to Learning Photography is Me.
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Worlds Of Water
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Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Try the wonders of 'available light'... it may surprise you... 
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Brandon Zackery Imagery
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Charlotte, North Carolina, US
I have seen this so many times.
Photographer doesn't know any better so photographer ask questions. But questions were too broad and so photographer gets grilled by forum members. Photographer doesn't learn anything. Forum members high five each other and laugh.
Lesson learned, when asking questions like that, try and provided as much detail as possible. Many of the members here are dick heads who couldn't defend themselves if they got into it with the Girl Scouts but, they have much knowledge on the subject and will usually answer your question if the variables are presented.
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Photography Is Me
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San Diego, California, US
I understand how the forum peeps are. I expect some kind of hate coming from them every so often. I asked this question because I had a photographer take a picture of me and a friend outside the Beauty Bar in SD at night and he had this light that he used that light up everything, the image looked like it was daylight outside. He had it hooked to a battery and I want something like that but dont know if the cost would be higher or lower then a couple SB-600's./sb-800's.
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Leo Howard
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Phoenix, Arizona, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I understand how the forum peeps are. I expect some kind of hate coming from them every so often. I asked this question because I had a photographer take a picture of me and a friend outside the Beauty Bar in SD at night and he had this light that he used that light up everything, the image looked like it was daylight outside. He had it hooked to a battery and I want something like that but dont know if the cost would be higher or lower then a couple SB-600's./sb-800's. Just a suggestion, but why don't you ask your friend what it was he used, since that is the effect you want, and then find out how much it costs.
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Sorry, I misread that, somehow I thought it was your friend that made the photo. . .
Do you now who the photographer was? can you contact him/her and ask what they used?
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JM Dean
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Cary, North Carolina, US
What type of light? What type of battery? Still a lot to be known here before your question can be answered. Just telling us a light and battery does not give us a clue what he was actually using. As far as I know he may have had a boat light attached to a car battery.
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3rdeyemedia us
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Los Angeles, California, US
I use Alien Bees AB800 studio strobes with a small vagabon battery pack. I was suprised to find out I could actullay run a 150watt modeling light of the VB 150. I had AB00 no umbrella set to track and was only using about 1/3 power just enough modeling light to autofocus in dark tunnel. I could have used wireless ettl system but those things never work right and can be more expensive than stodio lights. Model in Tunnel lit with strobe PatrickWheaton.com Photgraphy
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BCCPDX
Posts: 267
Portland, Oregon, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I expect some kind of hate coming from them every so often. What you're calling "hate" sounds a lot more like frustration.
Extreme example:
"I want to take photographs. What kind of camera should I get?"
You see how hard it is to answer that question?
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Carl Evans
Posts: 86
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Gunpowder in a flash pan is great. You also get a good smoke effect if you shoot enough frames.
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Carl Evans
Posts: 86
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
How good are those vagabond batteries? I was wondering if you could just use a car inverter and a car battery. (I'm serious. Not trying to be a smartass.)
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GHG Photography
Posts: 398
Birmingham, Alabama, US
Carl Evans wrote:
How good are those vagabond batteries? I was wondering if you could just use a car inverter and a car battery. (I'm serious. Not trying to be a smartass.) Don't know the best answer to your question about vagabonds, but I do know they make some SERIOUSLY high powered inverters. A friend of mine owns a car stereo shop and they managed to get one that powered an entire DJ setup out of a Tahoe. Subs, scratch table and all.
You'd also have to consider draw, amps, etc. before making a decision like that, so I'm not making a suggestion, just a statement.
-T
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3rdeyemedia us
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Los Angeles, California, US
Carl Evans wrote:
How good are those vagabond batteries? I was wondering if you could just use a car inverter and a car battery. (I'm serious. Not trying to be a smartass.) I already tried that, the AB800 on car inverted it either flipped the inverter breaker or blew the cigarette lighter fuse. The Vagabon has much more power and can run 4 ab800's with medium speed recycle. I still use the inverter to keep the vagabon, camera batteries and my laptop charged.
I got these little cheap $39 wire triggers/receivers with 100 ft range and shoot outdoors with strobe all the time.
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William Herbert
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Bryan, Ohio, US
bzckry foto wrote:
I have seen this so many times.
Photographer doesn't know any better so photographer ask questions. But questions were too broad and so photographer gets grilled by forum members. Photographer doesn't learn anything. Forum members high five each other and laugh.
Lesson learned, when asking questions like that, try and provided as much detail as possible. Many of the members here are dick heads who couldn't defend themselves if they got into it with the Girl Scouts but, they have much knowledge on the subject and will usually answer your question if the variables are presented. Amen. I don't bother. Better to refer to a book ......and figure it out myself.
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Veteres Vitri
Posts: 1994
MAYLENE, Alabama, US
oh i know get a fleshlight
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Carl Evans
Posts: 86
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I could just see the model and her escort/boyfriends face when you whip out the fleshlight and start shooting. Pure genious.
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3rdeyemedia us
Posts: 387
Los Angeles, California, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
a stand alone studio type light? This statement makes you sound like a novice, but your mm port shows you have experience. It looks like you are more of a natual light photographer, you might be happier with a tripod for this shoot.
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GHG Photography
Posts: 398
Birmingham, Alabama, US
minutephotos wrote:
I already tried that, the AB800 on car inverted it either flipped the inverter breaker or blew the cigarette lighter fuse. You'd have to get one that didn't run off a cigarette lighter, more like a direct connection to the battery. Cig. lighter fuses are generally between 5-15 amps.
By that time, though, the cost may not even be worth it.
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3rdeyemedia us
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Los Angeles, California, US
Cecil Sharps wrote:
oh i know get a fleshlight Would that be a pen light or a battery powered type fleshlight?
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3rdeyemedia us
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Los Angeles, California, US
GHG Photography wrote:
You'd have to get one that didn't run off a cigarette lighter, more like a direct connection to the battery. Cig. lighter fuses are generally between 5-15 amps.
By that time, though, the cost may not even be worth it. Most of the time I use the Vagabon I am in places the car can't get like down on the beach with an eveing sunset in the background. I set the camera shutter speed for the background detail and use strobe to light model. Otherwise, the background would be too dark.
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
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Alpharetta, Georgia, US
minutephotos wrote:
Most of the time I use the Vagabon I am in places the car can't get like down on the beach with an eveing sunset in the background. I set the camera shutter speed for the background detail and use strobe to light model. Otherwise, the background would be too dark. Could I use a car battery or some such, and one the True Sine Wave inverters (same thing they use in Vagabond 150-300's)?
http://www.batterystuff.com/inverters/
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PerceptionZ Studio
Posts: 339
Havana, Arkansas, US
Avicdar wrote:
If you can get sufficient power for your particular aperture and shutter speed combination requirements, then feel free to use a tungsten source. If you need a fast shutter and fairly stopped down aperture, then its unlikely that tungsten source will be sufficient - go with a flash.
If you go with a flash you are going to attract attention - if thats not desirable then its another consideration. Do you have power available for either in the location? All he has to do to power it is do the same thing I do in that situation. Go to the auto parts store, buy a cheap power inverter, and plug the lights into his vehicle through the power inverter... that is, of course, if he can get a vehicle down there. If not, just use a battery and a surge protector to keep a constant voltage so not to blow out the lights...
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PerceptionZ Studio
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Havana, Arkansas, US
my bad.... didn't read all the way through the thread.... someone already discussed inverters
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BCCPDX
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Portland, Oregon, US
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Carl Evans
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Photography Is Me wrote:
I am trying to decide what would work better in this situation.
I will be photographing a model at night in an underground parking lot against a blue wall. What would work better, a couple stand alone flashes or a stand alone studio type light? Please help. Back to your question. Do what most big time photographers do. Bring both, have an assistant set them both up. Then, don't use anything but available light and make the assistant break it down.
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Mr Anthony
Posts: 1128
Vancouver, Washington, US
Carl Evans wrote:
How good are those vagabond batteries? I was wondering if you could just use a car inverter and a car battery. (I'm serious. Not trying to be a smartass.) Not to hijack the thead with an answer, but you could use a "pure sine" inverter and a car battery. You just need an inverter capable of handling the appropriate wattage. It should be a "pure sine inverter" to protect your equipment.
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Carl Evans
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Mr Anthony wrote:
Not to hijack the thead with an answer, but you could use a "pure sine" inverter and a car battery. You just need an inverter capable of handling the appropriate wattage. It should be a "pure sine inverter" to protect your equipment.
Mr. Anthony Have you done it or is this a theory?
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Mr Anthony
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Vancouver, Washington, US
Carl Evans wrote:
I could just see the model and her escort/boyfriends face when you whip out the fleshlight and start shooting. Pure genious. Pure hilarity. Here a fleshlight: http://www.fleshlight.com/main/index.php?
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Mr Anthony
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Vancouver, Washington, US
Mr Anthony wrote:
Not to hijack the thead with an answer, but you could use a "pure sine" inverter and a car battery. You just need an inverter capable of handling the appropriate wattage. It should be a "pure sine inverter" to protect your equipment.
Mr. Anthony Carl Evans wrote:
Have you done it or is this a theory? I've done it. Got a Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) battery at Fry's in Wilsonville, ordered a pure sine inverter off the Internet and used it on my SP Studio Systems Excalibur 1600's. They recharge a little slower than regular wall AC, but it does work and doesn't catch fire.
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Carl Evans
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I'd build my own fleshlight so I could choose the color balance.
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Mr Anthony
Posts: 1128
Vancouver, Washington, US
Avicdar wrote:
If you can get sufficient power for your particular aperture and shutter speed combination requirements, then feel free to use a tungsten source. If you need a fast shutter and fairly stopped down aperture, then its unlikely that tungsten source will be sufficient - go with a flash.
If you go with a flash you are going to attract attention - if thats not desirable then its another consideration. Do you have power available for either in the location? PerceptionZ Studio wrote:
All he has to do to power it is do the same thing I do in that situation. Go to the auto parts store, buy a cheap power inverter, and plug the lights into his vehicle through the power inverter... that is, of course, if he can get a vehicle down there. If not, just use a battery and a surge protector to keep a constant voltage so not to blow out the lights... Depending on the flash electronics, a cheap modified sine inverter can be very bad for the monolight. That's why the Alien Bees use a pure sine inverter.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
how about just purchasing a flashlight and your problems will be solved.
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Carl Evans
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Mr Anthony wrote:
Mr Anthony wrote:
Not to hijack the thead with an answer, but you could use a "pure sine" inverter and a car battery. You just need an inverter capable of handling the appropriate wattage. It should be a "pure sine inverter" to protect your equipment.
Mr. Anthony I've done it. Got a Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) battery at Fry's in Wilsonville, ordered a pure sine inverter off the Internet and used it on my SP Studio Systems Excalibur 1600's. They recharge a little slower than regular wall AC, but it does work and doesn't catch fire.
Mr. Anthony That's what I thought! Power is power (electricity). I just didn't want to gamble 250 bucks to see if it worked. Now I have to make one. I was thinking of using a deep cycle marine battery b/c they can handle discharging and charging better.
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Mr Anthony
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Vancouver, Washington, US
Mr Anthony wrote:
Not to hijack the thead with an answer, but you could use a "pure sine" inverter and a car battery. You just need an inverter capable of handling the appropriate wattage. It should be a "pure sine inverter" to protect your equipment.
Mr. Anthony Mr Anthony wrote:
I've done it. Got a Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) battery at Fry's in Wilsonville, ordered a pure sine inverter off the Internet and used it on my SP Studio Systems Excalibur 1600's. They recharge a little slower than regular wall AC, but it does work and doesn't catch fire.
Mr. Anthony Carl Evans wrote:
That's what I thought! Power is power (electricity). I just didn't want to gamble 250 bucks to see if it worked. Now I have to make one. I was thinking of using a deep cycle marine battery b/c they can handle discharging and charging better. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go order a product from this site:
http://www.innovatronix.com/cgi-bin/pro … /index.asp
It would be about the same price as getting a really good pure sine inverter and a good battery, maybe even less. And you get a nice housing for the whole unit.
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BlindMike
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San Francisco, California, US
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BlindMike
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San Francisco, California, US
Mr Anthony wrote:
I've done it. Got a Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) battery at Fry's in Wilsonville, ordered a pure sine inverter off the Internet and used it on my SP Studio Systems Excalibur 1600's. They recharge a little slower than regular wall AC, but it does work and doesn't catch fire.
Mr. Anthony Fry's should carry pure sine wave inverters.
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