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Preserving Photos

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Seattle, Washington, US

I plan on purchasing my first roll of 107" roll paper and really like images that were taken of models with a gray background.  But what gray from Adorama?  Or should I just start out with white and not light the background to come up with a gray?

Just not sure what to do....images and stock numbers would really help.
Thanks in advance.

Jun 10 07 08:37 pm Link

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greentea

Posts: 78

New York, New York, US

Most the picture you see with a "grey" bg are actually white seamless paper underexposed due to the different distance between the light and the paper than the distance between the light and the model.

Jun 10 07 08:39 pm Link

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Your Expressions

Posts: 377

Waterbury, Connecticut, US

White.  You can make it gray by not having the light aimed right at it.

Jun 10 07 08:42 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

White is versatile. It also acts as a fill (which you may or may not want, and if you don't, it's a real bitch to control) and will throw some flare back into your lens. Much easier to use in many respects is grey, which is also very versatile, actually the most versatile I'd say.

Jun 10 07 08:43 pm Link

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saverio

Posts: 722

Santa Monica, California, US

thunder grey!  muchy harder to control the white to grey (new york look) as you need a large studio for distance from the lights to the subject to the bg.

Jun 10 07 08:44 pm Link

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MelissaMariePhotography

Posts: 1987

Clearwater, Florida, US

white because you can make it different colors with gels and gray by moving it back and underexposing it.

Jun 10 07 08:44 pm Link

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Preserving Photos

Posts: 244

Seattle, Washington, US

Hey Jason and Maria, does this image of yours have a white BG?

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=3134960

Jun 10 07 08:44 pm Link

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greentea

Posts: 78

New York, New York, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
Grey. It's by far the most versatile.

Versatile as in? Can you make it change all the way from white to black? I am curious since i don't own one

Jun 10 07 08:45 pm Link

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Jose Deida

Posts: 1293

Reading, Pennsylvania, US

avi is Savage Thunder Gray, No. 27

Jun 10 07 08:45 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

saverio wrote:
thunder grey!  muchy harder to control the white to grey (new york look) as you need a large studio for distance from the lights to the subject to the bg.

Ditto.

It's relatively easy to shoot that "NY look" in a large, high-ceilinged studio with a very large cyclorama. It's very, very difficult to get it on a simple roll of seamless in the sort of space that lots of people have to make do with.

Jun 10 07 08:46 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Grey.  Much more versatile.

I recommend a middle grey... as close to 50% as possible.  Try to check if it has extra blue in it before you buy it.  I know the "Calumet" branded papers have a bit of blue in the grey that I dislike.  I typically get a 43 "Smoke Grey" but might try 21 "Cloud Grey" next time.

Jun 10 07 08:46 pm Link

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Tom Huynh Loft Studio

Posts: 901

Sacramento, California, US

black, white or grey. they are the most used. then get other colors as you feel adventurous.

Jun 10 07 08:48 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

I honestly don't mean to quibble, but 50% reflectance is actually quite "white." What we usually think of as "middle grey" (as in a grey card sort of grey) is 18% grey. That's what our meters are keyed for.

Jun 10 07 08:49 pm Link

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KevinMichaelReed

Posts: 1554

New York, New York, US

DJHphoto wrote:
I plan on purchasing my first roll of 107" roll paper and really like images that were taken of models with a gray background.  But what gray from Adorama?  Or should I just start out with white and not light the background to come up with a gray?

Just not sure what to do....images and stock numbers would really help.
Thanks in advance.

I say give "Studio Grey" a try.  Depending on how you light it, you can make it gray, white or black.  I actually like the look of studio grey blown out to make white.

greentea wrote:
Most the picture you see with a "grey" bg are actually white seamless paper underexposed due to the different distance between the light and the paper than the distance between the light and the model.

Actually, for some of my work, I use a Studio Grey seamless and blow it out to make it white.

Jun 10 07 08:52 pm Link

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Rik Austin

Posts: 12164

Austin, Texas, US

I use smoke gray (#74) from Savage.  Buy it from B&H.  See my current avatar and the first picture in my port.

Jun 10 07 08:53 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
I honestly don't mean to quibble, but 50% reflectance is actually quite "white." What we usually think of as "middle grey" (as in a grey card sort of grey) is 18% grey. That's what our meters are keyed for.

I know... and I meant a relatively white grey... *points to sides of MM which are about 50% grey*... though darker might be more desirable in time with experience... I guess it depends on a couple of things.

I started with a pretty dark grey... about 10% reflectance.  The ones for the shots in my port on MM right now are that dark.  Leads to rich colors, but it's too dark for my tastes, and doesn't lend to color blending very well.

A relatively light grey will lead to bright colors and ease of blending, and with a little bit of distance (say 5') should be able to go grey easily.

Jun 10 07 09:00 pm Link

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Leo Howard

Posts: 6850

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
I honestly don't mean to quibble, but 50% reflectance is actually quite "white." What we usually think of as "middle grey" (as in a grey card sort of grey) is 18% grey. That's what our meters are keyed for.

Couldnt have said this better myself

Jun 10 07 09:00 pm Link

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Leo Howard

Posts: 6850

Phoenix, Arizona, US

White, Black and Grey are the most common colors.

With black, you can use gels to create many different colors, and you can create grey as well by lighting the bkg without gels

Jun 10 07 09:06 pm Link

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vanscottie

Posts: 1190

Winnetka, California, US

I guess I'm the only one who'll vote for Dark Blue. The dark blue works great in color and can easily look black in B+W. I'm never without a roll

Jun 10 07 09:09 pm Link

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Glen Berry

Posts: 2797

Huntington, West Virginia, US

What exactly is the "NY look" ?

Can anyone post a good example photo, or maybe a link?

thanks,
Glen

Jun 10 07 09:10 pm Link

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Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

Grey all the away. If you get a light grey, you can make it look white if, you light it up the background (paper). You make make darker by doing the opposite. Dark grey is also good. You can make it all most black if lit the right way. I've never bought white.

Jun 10 07 09:16 pm Link

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KevinMichaelReed

Posts: 1554

New York, New York, US

vanscottie wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who'll vote for Dark Blue. The dark blue works great in color and can easily look black in B+W. I'm never without a roll

I actually love Dark Blue for B&W, but for a catalog where the client wants White or Grey in COLOR it doesn't work. :-)

Jun 10 07 09:18 pm Link

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STUDIO A B

Posts: 414

New York, New York, US

studio grey thats a good choice you can ez blow it out to white or make it dark..
michek
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Jun 10 07 09:23 pm Link

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Evan Shorrock

Posts: 780

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

uhhh, grey. without a doubt.
blow it out to make it white, light it normally for various shades of grey, flag off lights for black.
add gels for color.

https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060808/07/44d87e5f410b8.jpg
Yellow gels on grey seamless, heads turned down a bit to keep it a darker deeper yellow and not make it pop too much

18+ https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1379558 18+
Shot on the same gray with flags to keep light off the background.

Grey is your friend. Just make sure it's not leaning towards one color more than another.

Jun 10 07 09:25 pm Link

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Thyronne

Posts: 1361

Huntington Beach, California, US

Is it me, or is Calumet paper the absolute worse.  It seems so thin and wrinkles so easily.  I pretty much shoot all my studio work on a white cove.

Jun 10 07 09:27 pm Link

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Evan Shorrock

Posts: 780

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

https://img3.modelmayhem.com/060129/19/43dd6c13e8f4e.jpg
https://img3.modelmayhem.com/060129/19/ … 3e8f4e.jpg
Similar gray with the tiniest bit of light on the backdrop to add some edge definition without the hairlight glow look.

Jun 10 07 09:28 pm Link

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Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

Thyronne wrote:
Is it me, or is Calumet paper the absolute worse.  It seems so thin and wrinkles so easily.  I pretty much shoot all my studio work on a white cove.

Ahh, yeah. It looks kind of lumpy,when it draps

Jun 10 07 09:29 pm Link

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jeffrey david cohn

Posts: 112

Clyde, North Carolina, US

helen keller's favorite color is--









cordouroy

Jun 10 07 09:46 pm Link

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Evan Shorrock

Posts: 780

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

you sure it isn't aqua?

Jun 10 07 09:57 pm Link

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Offf the Page

Posts: 174

Beverly Hills, California, US

White: Best look, smallest jpeg, cheapest print.

Jun 10 07 10:09 pm Link

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San Francisco Nudes

Posts: 2910

Novato, California, US

greentea wrote:

Versatile as in? Can you make it change all the way from white to black? I am curious since i don't own one

Sure, with the right lighting.  18+  https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=3136870

No light's hitting the background, doesn't really matter what's back there.

Jun 10 07 10:14 pm Link

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Bruce Talbot

Posts: 3850

Los Angeles, California, US

Be a renegade > > > > > > > > shoot on clear.



bt

Jun 10 07 10:21 pm Link

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Tom Huynh Loft Studio

Posts: 901

Sacramento, California, US

https://img7.modelmayhem.com/070519/14/464f47e022546_m.jpg

Recently, this has been my favorite. I like color.

Jun 10 07 10:23 pm Link

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Evan Shorrock

Posts: 780

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

I should add that it all depends on what you're shooting and how you light it...

blowing out grey to make it white works perfectly as long as you dont want full length shots... the light around the model would either need to be so bright it would affect how they look or if you light for them it would show grey where the paper comes out away from the background lights.

Similar problems with going black.

Its basically a question of "if using only one seamless, what best fits the bill for you/what you shoot" My guess is still that you should go with grey.

Jun 10 07 10:27 pm Link

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Love the Arts

Posts: 1040

Malibu, California, US

Grey is a great start for your 1st seemless. Lighting and gels will allow you to get different looks.

https://img3.modelmayhem.com/060313/19/44161cd9729dd_m.jpg

Jun 10 07 10:32 pm Link

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David Gabel Photography

Posts: 454

Skippack, Pennsylvania, US

*skips to bottom of thread*

White Pro/Con:

You can make it any color/It will be a pastel, washed out version of that color and it's not easy to keep light off of it in a small space.

Black Pro/Con:

You can make it any color and it will be a solid, rich version of that color/more power from lights is needed.

Gray Pro/Con:

Almost everything I see for studio fashion product photography uses gray or if you want excellent neutrality/Not sure if there is a con.

Jun 10 07 11:30 pm Link

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Groovy Pixels

Posts: 10

Columbus, Ohio, US

I purchased stone grey - but I love the white - it makes my pictures at least very bright!  I also have red, black, pink and red.

Jun 10 07 11:34 pm Link

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ghsmith1

Posts: 199

Cedar Park, Texas, US

thunder gray. practice controlling it with lights and gels. 2 2/3 stops either way and it's white or black.

Jun 10 07 11:46 pm Link

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STUDIO A B

Posts: 414

New York, New York, US

ok now put it to rest people..get a life the color is grey...okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
give it a rest now!!!!

Jun 10 07 11:49 pm Link

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FemmeArt

Posts: 880

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

super black

Jun 10 07 11:50 pm Link