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I was contacted by a model (17). She is interested in glamour, high fashion, swim wear and lingerie for her port. I've shot kids. I've shot swim wear and lingerie. But on a 17 year old.... this is definitely new territory for me. (I'm relatively new to photography as a profession... I've been a hobbyist for about a year). I told her I'd get back to her. Is this something I want to entertain at all? If so, what is the normal protocol for this? Should I insist on the presence of a parent or guardian? Is she even old enough to sign her own release? Should I tell her to come back when she's 18? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. PEACE Jun 12 07 02:38 pm Link She needs to have a legal guardian with her in order to sign the release -- a minor cannot do this. Jun 12 07 02:40 pm Link Yes, definitely have her guardians sign a release. She may not be keen on the idea, but I would be inclined to at least ask the parents to escort, or someone they trust. That way, they feel more safe about it. Jun 12 07 02:45 pm Link Pat Thielen wrote: thank you for verifying that. Jun 12 07 02:46 pm Link This pops up pretty often -- if her mom is there, and you shoot a shot of them together (just to show your lawyer later) then you might be OK. I wouldn't do it myself. Jun 12 07 02:46 pm Link Tom Rockwell wrote: thats a very very very good idea... lol Jun 12 07 02:49 pm Link The difference between a 17 yr old and an 18 yr old is about 10 years... in jail. Jun 12 07 03:09 pm Link There is a 16 yr old that is looking for hot lingerie TFP on this site. Could be a Local Sting ... EL Jun 12 07 03:13 pm Link 1. Have her parents sign the model release too 2. Make sure one of the parents are there during the shoot 3. Have an escort of your own as your witness 4. Have an MUA present too. Just in case there's a complication, someone from the industry can always give good testimony. 5. Pray there won't be any complication 6. NEVER touch the underage model in any form, not even to fix the hair. 7. Pray again Jun 12 07 03:17 pm Link wow!!!!! I think I'm gonna steer clear of this...Don't need the stress or the drama thx all PEACE Jun 12 07 03:20 pm Link I've shot a kid in swimwear: as long as you're going more for the fun/natural "day at the beach" look, there's no problems there. I'd not go anywhere NEAR the lingirie stuff though! Jun 12 07 03:21 pm Link Invenova wrote: Or just don't bother. Jun 12 07 03:21 pm Link Check with photographers that do this style of photography to see what they do and how they deal with this stuff. Myself, I am limited with what I shoot with minors. Myself, I will only shoot casual and limited swimsuit (which so far I have yet to do) with minors. As for your case, do what you feel you need to do, but be careful. Jun 12 07 03:22 pm Link 17 years old...Just wait till shes 18 if you have problems. But to be on the safe side. Yes make sure she has a parent or adult as escort. Never get a models release form an underage model especialy if she wants to do lingerie. I dont understand but its frawned on to take lingerie of and under aged girl say 17 and 16 but its ok to shoot her wearing a bikini go figure. But hey laws are laws. So unless you want to do 20 in the slammer I would take 20 min and make sure she will arrive with an adult or parent not a buddy. Magic Image Jun 12 07 03:25 pm Link Madcrow Studios wrote: i was approached recently by a 17 yr old and told him to have his parents call me. we deny any shoot if the legal guardian is not present and we require the legal guardian to be there all the time, from make up down to the photography session, front seat and we deny shoots that involves super sexy themes for a minor, it has to be fun and wholesome. We don't feel its appropriate. Jun 12 07 03:27 pm Link Pat Thielen wrote: the model contacted the photog for a shoot..why does there need to be a release? Jun 12 07 03:28 pm Link tryfokal wrote: we did this too. have them carry their I.D. posed together. Jun 12 07 03:30 pm Link WOW, Good Luck....Personally..here's my 2 cents... If it's.... Looks like FIRE Feels like FIRE Smells like FIRE Sounds like FIRE..... You're probably too late..anyways....RUN like the wind........ So..that being said...it's like you're playing with fire....you you think that you're special and won't get burned? Is there a reason that you haven't stated why you would want to do this to yourself? Is she hiring you to shoot? or is it a TFP? Did she contact you? or did you start it? Is she soooooooooooo special (looks unique or Supermodel like)? If you're unsure, why risk your reputation, your life....to this oppertunity... There are thousands of awesome models in Vegas...trust me..I've shot a few and met even more...there's just not enough time for me to fit them all in when I'm in town... I think you are best to move on..and wait till she is 18...or better yet...move on..and let some GWC do it.... Either way....best to pass on this ...unless you cann't get anyone else and in that case, you have more to worry about. I wish you all the best.... Cheers Dave Jun 12 07 03:40 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Because she is underage and cannot legally sign a model release. Jun 12 07 03:46 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Pat Thielen wrote: but it isnt necessary..she contacted the photog...the images are for her use... Jun 12 07 03:49 pm Link Yippee, yippee, we get to talk about underage models again!  Jun 12 07 03:50 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: but it isnt necessary..she contacted the photog...the images are for her use... No -- I just can't read in context today it would seem. Jun 12 07 03:51 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: Hey -- it hasn't blown up yet and I don't think this one actually will. But just in case: Jun 12 07 03:52 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Pat Thielen wrote: forgive me..that sound shitty of me... Jun 12 07 03:52 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: forgive me..that sound shitty of me... No worries -- I would have wondered the same thing had I been you. Jun 12 07 03:53 pm Link Are you crazy!? A 17 year old!!? I wouldn't shoot her at all!!! Have sex with her in the back seat of a car? You bet! But shoot her? That's just asking for trouble. I'm joking. Jun 12 07 03:55 pm Link lol thanks a lot guys... She called again a few minutes ago. I asked her to put her parent or guardian on the phone. She told me she lived with her boyfriend. I told her that a parent or guardian would have to be present. She argued that she was independent. I told her I would only work with her with a parent present. She tried to debate with me. I wished her well and hung up. What I was going to charge her simply isn't worth the trouble. Jun 12 07 04:19 pm Link MMDesign wrote: LOL Jun 12 07 04:22 pm Link tryfokal wrote: Yeah, that's good. Jun 12 07 04:23 pm Link tryfokal wrote: Perfect. This is exactly how I would have handled this. And besides, there is no reason she can't wait until she's 18 for this sort of thing. I've had underage models quickly lose interest as soon as I mention having a parent at the photo session. I only hope she doesn't take this "setback" as a reason to dupe another photographer with a fake drivers license. You never know... Jun 12 07 06:41 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: Hey!!!! I Know that Bacon. Jun 12 07 09:18 pm Link tryfokal wrote: IMO, you did the right thing. If it were just casuals and headshots and swimsuit, it would be no issue with me. Lingerie' for a teen under 18, I wont do. I dont care if she is imancipated legally, 17 is not 18. Jun 12 07 09:31 pm Link Know your local law and assume that anything you shoot will make it to your local community leaders (whoever that may be). Just use common sense, she needs a guardian there to make decisions for her, the rest is between you and local law officials. Jun 12 07 09:34 pm Link I wont even critque a gallery of anyone under 21 your asking for trouble Jun 12 07 09:36 pm Link Well this is a good one I would tell her to come back when she was 18 or to bring her parent with her to sign the contract. I would also insist on having tweo or three females there with you to make the adjustments to the model's cloths and so on. It is your back you have to watch. Better to play it safe then get into high water and not be able to get out alive. I have shot female models who were at age 15 to 17 and always had their parent at the shoot it was the only way I would do the shoot for the model. Play it safe best of luck Mike Jun 12 07 09:40 pm Link i had a 17yr old approach me on myspace (of course) like "i love your work, and i want to do a shoot with you in abandoned buildings!!" and i took about half a second to think it over... trespassing... in a dangerous abandoned building... with a minor. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?? she took my gentle rejection in stride, and maybe she'll stick around and contact me again when she's a little older. i hope so, because she's a pretty girl and has potential, but it's also not worth the trouble of explaining to parents/the police how this girl sprained her ankle when a stairwell collapsed. Jun 12 07 09:41 pm Link I wouldn't put myself in any situation like that. Personally, I would just avoid it, and tell the model to come back when she is 18. Jun 12 07 09:42 pm Link I think most topics have been covered but just to summarize. 1. A release not needed to shoot a minor. Think baby pictures and senior portraits. 2. A release signed by a parent or guardian is only needed if the photographer intends to use the images. 3. Photos of minors in a sexual context (clothed or naked) is where the problem is so lingerie photos get pretty close depending on the pose and type of lingerie. I prefer not to have a parent present at the shoot but always have a third party present like a MUA, designer, or stylist. Jun 12 07 09:46 pm Link I received an offer from a 19 year old who wanted to do some images with her best friend who is 17. I did a little research and it is very scary. Situations where the photographer was innocent (I know, they all say their innocent), he had glamour images on his computer but the images he took of the 17 yr old were not improper, but during the investigation his equipment was confiscated for six months and his reputation ruined, and he did nothing wrong except to make the mistake of photographing a 17 year old. Even if a fifth of the stories I read were true, it would be one time too many and I personally am staying far away from that situation. My 2 cents has gone up to 3 cents due to inflation, but there you have it -- Rory Jun 12 07 09:58 pm Link I'm doing my first under 18 shoot in a couple of weeks. I've explained to the model that is she's not going to bring an 18+ escort then I need to talk to her parents before the shot, so that everyone's comfortable. That I want to look out for my models and for myself too. And that she needs to get her parents to sign the release form. I explained diplomatically that if want to shoot with me, that's my policy. The model was cool with that and I'm really looking forward to the shoot.  Jun 13 07 06:05 am Link |
