Forums > Model Colloquy > Minors working implide

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

I wish I could unpost this thread

Dec 02 07 05:27 pm Link

Dec 02 07 05:29 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Color Blind wrote:
Anyone besides me think this is just wrong?  I was just in shoutbox and a 17 year old model's avatar is an implide nude shot.  Now the shot may be visually appealing and professional quality,  shouldn't she be waiting until 18 to pose implide?

Where was she from? You DO realize that laws differ worldwide on this subject, right?

Dec 02 07 05:30 pm Link

Model

MatthewShane

Posts: 490

Johnson City, Tennessee, US

Color Blind wrote:
Anyone besides me think this is just wrong?  I was just in shoutbox and a 17 year old model's avatar is an implide nude shot.  Now the shot may be visually appealing and professional quality,  shouldn't she be waiting until 18 to pose implide?

Well..I mean if the parents are ok with it I don't see a problem. However I am pretty open minded and I am rebellious now and was when I was 17 as well..not a lot has changed in the way of that so..I guess it would be a case by case basis of how each individual would feel about it. Just my opinion:) However I see where some would find it morally wrong by her age.

Dec 02 07 05:31 pm Link

Photographer

GS Photography, LLC

Posts: 328

Trinity, Florida, US

Color Blind wrote:
Anyone besides me think this is just wrong?  I was just in shoutbox and a 17 year old model's avatar is an implide nude shot.  Now the shot may be visually appealing and professional quality,  shouldn't she be waiting until 18 to pose implide?

Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

Dec 02 07 05:32 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

SunArcher Photography wrote:

Where was she from? You DO realize that laws differ worldwide on this subject, right?

She is from New Zealand

Dec 02 07 05:33 pm Link

Model

kristenvictoria

Posts: 2324

Color Blind wrote:
Anyone besides me think this is just wrong?  I was just in shoutbox and a 17 year old model's avatar is an implide nude shot.  Now the shot may be visually appealing and professional quality,  shouldn't she be waiting until 18 to pose implide?

arent victoria secert models like 16 and 17 when somethem started  or is that a rumor i know alot on regular modeling  runway are 14 and up but i wasnt sure about the victoria secret  models and most them from brazil right

Dec 02 07 05:33 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Intisari Photography wrote:
Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

Oh God...here we go again. Ab. So. Lute. Ly. False.

PATRICK!

Dec 02 07 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

c_d_s

Posts: 7771

Lubbock, Texas, US

I predict this thread is about to implide.

Dec 02 07 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

Bob Mares Photography

Posts: 199

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Her portfolio looks legit and highly professional to me.

Dec 02 07 05:36 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Color Blind wrote:
She is from New Zealand

That right there should end this whole thread. It won't. Unfortunately.

Richard...popcorn and refreshments, please.

Dec 02 07 05:36 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

SunArcher Photography wrote:

Oh God...here we go again.

PATRICK!

patrick,  let me ask this,,,,is it wrong for a mayhem to allow implides of minors?

Dec 02 07 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

sdsteve

Posts: 1610

Spokane, Washington, US

!!!!  YAWN  !!!!

Dec 02 07 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Color Blind wrote:
patrick,  let me ask this,,,,is it wrong for a mayhem to allow implides of minors?

Patrick Wahlberg already answered this. Gabrielle even went so far as to give you a link. Here it is again.

https://modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=198943

Once you wallow through the bullshit and ignorance that was in that thread, I'm sure you'll sleep better tonight not even worrying about this, ESPECIALLY if you are ignorant to the laws of New Zealand as I am. It's hard enough getting people to know the laws HERE in the United States...

Dec 02 07 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

sdsteve

Posts: 1610

Spokane, Washington, US

Intisari Photography wrote:

Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

wrong

Dec 02 07 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

TerrysPhotocountry

Posts: 4649

Rochester, New York, US

Color Blind wrote:
Anyone besides me think this is just wrong?  I was just in shoutbox and a 17 year old model's avatar is an implide nude shot.  Now the shot may be visually appealing and professional quality,  shouldn't she be waiting until 18 to pose implide?

Booke Shields first photos & her first movie? Or are you to young to remember them?

Dec 02 07 05:40 pm Link

Photographer

sdsteve

Posts: 1610

Spokane, Washington, US

Bob Mares Photography wrote:
Her portfolio looks legit and highly professional to me.

can we see her??

Dec 02 07 05:40 pm Link

Photographer

Luminos

Posts: 6065

Columbia, Maryland, US

Subject's been done to death in the last few days alone.

It's not illegal.

Whether it is wrong or not depends on the shot.

Dec 02 07 05:41 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

mm, asks that we not "out" members so i won't.

Dec 02 07 05:42 pm Link

Model

AnymousouAnymousou

Posts: 2873

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Gabrielle Marie wrote:
http://modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=198943

lol at OP ignoring you

No offense to you though hun

Dec 02 07 05:42 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Intisari Photography wrote:
Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

For you and the OP, here is 18 USC 2256, a "federal legality." Read it. Know it. UNDERSTAND it. It will help when topics regarding 18 USC 2257 record-keeping requirements come up:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/ … -000-.html

Dec 02 07 05:42 pm Link

Photographer

B Browder Photo

Posts: 14635

Charleston, South Carolina, US

This a clear case to exceptions to the rule.  I agree rules are rules and laws are laws.  But DAMN! her work is just to good to worry about that.  Its tasteful and not at all implying anything perverse.  I'd have to give a pass on that one if it were me.

Dec 02 07 05:42 pm Link

Model

Gabrielle Marie

Posts: 459

Tony Mo wrote:

lol at OP ignoring you

No offense to you though hun

Yeahhhh I noticed that.

I can see when I'm not wanted... sigh...

Dec 02 07 05:44 pm Link

Model

AnymousouAnymousou

Posts: 2873

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Gabrielle Marie wrote:
Yeahhhh I noticed that.

I can see when I'm not wanted... sigh...

He's just too lazy to look through the stuff
Don't worry bout it

You tried to help smile

Dec 02 07 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

DB Digital Images

Posts: 286

Royal Oak, Michigan, US

Intisari Photography wrote:

Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

WHAT?????   Try again

Dec 02 07 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Bob Mares Photography

Posts: 199

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

sdsteve wrote:

can we see her??

just sent you the link

Dec 02 07 05:46 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

db Photography wrote:
WHAT?????   Try again

Oh if Patrick or TXPhotog get a hold of THIS one...not going to be pretty.

BTW OP, why'd you feel the need to edit your first post?

Dec 02 07 05:47 pm Link

Model

Gabrielle Marie

Posts: 459

Dear OP,

I just took a look at your profile and noticed your little sentence about only shooting models 21 and over because you're "older" and "more mature" now.  And I guess that means you want to shoot "older" and "more mature" models because... okay, I don't know why.

I read that to mean, "models 21 and over must always be more mature than models who are not."

What about 20 year olds?  Am I less mature because I'm not 21 for another month?

Obviously one's own "maturity" (whatever that means) is entirely dictated by one's numerical age.

There are plenty of girls who are under 21 who look and act older (and not always in a "come here, my legs are spread" way).  And there are plenty of women over 21 who look and act 15.

Age is just a number.  It only becomes a problem when people are being exploitative.

Love,
Gabrielle

Dec 02 07 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

sdsteve

Posts: 1610

Spokane, Washington, US

this models work should never have even been brought up..i think the op is just bored...this models stuff is sooo frigging rad you dont even realize its implied...

Dec 02 07 05:48 pm Link

Photographer

Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

*sigh*

Implied or even actual nudity is NOT across-the-board illegal in Western countries at any age.

In the US, lascivious exhibition (clothed or not) is illegal. That could include really sexy implied poses, but might also include the same shot in, say, a bikini.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea, just that it's not patently illegal.

But it is against MM rules, so contact a moderator about it.

Dec 02 07 05:49 pm Link

Model

AnymousouAnymousou

Posts: 2873

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Gabrielle Marie wrote:
Dear OP,

I just took a look at your profile and noticed your little sentence about only shooting models 21 and over because you're "older" and "more mature" now.  And I guess that means you want to shoot "older" and "more mature" models because... okay, I don't know why.

I read that to mean, "models 21 and over must always be more mature than models who are not."

Obviously one's own "maturity" (whatever that means) is entirely dictated by one's numerical age.

There are plenty of girls who are under 21 who look and act older (and not always in a "come here, my legs are spread" way).  And there are plenty of women over 21 who look and act 15.

Love,
Gabrielle

*predicts OP will ignore you once again*

Dec 02 07 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Bob Mares Photography wrote:
just sent you the link

Lemme get that hookup, too, if you don't mind.

Dec 02 07 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

sdsteve wrote:
this models work should never have even been brought up..i think the op is just bored...this models stuff is sooo frigging rad you dont even realize its implied...

i agree that the imagery is beautiful, but my question is more about the legality of a photographer shooting it

Dec 02 07 05:50 pm Link

Photographer

Bob Mares Photography

Posts: 199

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

sdsteve wrote:
this models work should never have even been brought up..i think the op is just bored...this models stuff is sooo frigging rad you dont even realize its implied...

Ditto! looks like a high end fashion magazine layout

Dec 02 07 05:50 pm Link

Photographer

SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Color Blind wrote:
i agree that the imagery is beautiful, but my question is more about the legality of a photographer shooting it

I ask you again: what are the laws in New Zealand (or the United States, for that matter) that would prevent a photographer from shooting a 17-year-old in an implied nude shoot?

Patrick has answered that question as far as the United States is concerned. Gabrielle led you to the answer. As did I. Your personal fears and those of other photographers here are NOT the same as case law and statutes on the books, federal or otherwise.

Dec 02 07 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

In case one of the Mods hasn't been along to mention it, no implied of under-18 models are allowed on Mayhem, regardless of any arguments about legality  smile

Dec 02 07 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

Bob Mares Photography wrote:

Ditto! looks like a high end fashion magazine layout

I am agreeing that the image is high quality in professionality, art, etc....but is it legal to shoot or post such an image?

Dec 02 07 05:52 pm Link

Photographer

DJW Photography

Posts: 623

Chicago, Illinois, US

SLE Photography wrote:
In case one of the Mods hasn't been along to mention it, no implied of under-18 models are allowed on Mayhem, regardless of any arguments about legality  smile

Thank you SLE, thats what i wanted to know

Dec 02 07 05:53 pm Link

Photographer

Bob Mares Photography

Posts: 199

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Color Blind wrote:
I am agreeing that the image is high quality in professionality, art, etc....but is it legal to shoot or post such an image?

Maybe you could ask the Australian photographer? he has a link on her MM page.

Dec 02 07 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45198

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Intisari Photography wrote:
Who cares if its wrong...its illegal (federally) which overrides any state legalities. The end

YOU ARE WRONG!

This has been beaten like the dead horse that it is.  Shooting minors "implied" or not is not illegal.

Dec 02 07 05:54 pm Link