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Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

I usually use my 6 White-Lightning monolights, but I'm thinking of getting some 1280 watt daylight fluorescent floods with softboxes, umbrellas etc for shooting video clips, maybe from imagewest.tv.  Are these things any good for stills?  I'm thinking that it would be easy to fine tune them for fine art studio nudes, etc. but I don't want to be shooting at 1/15th at f/2.8 either.  Anybody have any ideas?

Jan 26 08 08:37 am Link

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global vision

Posts: 1681

Bowling Green, Ohio, US

i would see if you can find out how many lumes they put out at a particular distance and then just compare that to what you are getting with a strobe...no reason you cant shoot with flourescants if you have the right color temperature...but they generally will be putting out a lot less light than your strobes...video just doesnt need as much light

Jan 26 08 08:43 am Link

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global vision

Posts: 1681

Bowling Green, Ohio, US

lumens...not lumes.....i need coffee.....urf

Jan 26 08 08:44 am Link

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Brooks Ayola

Posts: 9754

Chatsworth, California, US

HMI's have been around in still photography since they were introduced. Kino Flo's are popular too and they put out less than HMI's.

Jan 26 08 11:42 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

There have been color balanced tubes around for a long time.  Rolando Gomez, at some of his workshops, demonstrates the construction of a poor man's Kino Flo using fixtures and tubes.

The problem is getting the right tubes.  The first thing you need to do is to get color balanced lights.  You are suggesting "Daylight" which is fine.  Be sure that the tubes express their light temperature as a Kelvin number.  Some tubes say "Daylight" but they are not precisely calibrated.  What will happen is that there will be a variation between tubes.  That is common with the cheap ones.

The second thing is it is critically  important for you to get "Flicker Free."  You have suggested that you may want to do video.  You are going to need to get the expensive tubes (and they are much more expensive) to get video to work.  Even if you choose to only do stills, the problem is that when the lights flickr, you stand the chance of capturing your image in the down cycle and your subject won't be properly lit.  If you would like to see the problem, try doing a video of your television screen (regular tube based television).  Video tape the screen and then play it back.   You will understand very quickly.  Get the best quality flicker free tubes you can get if you want to shoot video.

Finally, get fixtures wth decent balasts.  You want your light temperature to be as consistent as possible.  Have you ever noticed how florescent lights vary in color as they age?  That can be from two things.  One, the light temperature changes as the tubes begin to wear out.  You will need to replace your tubes before they show signs of wear.  The other reason they change color is because of the ballasts.  The really cheap lights have really cheap ballasts.  The better the fixture the better the quality of the light.

Good shooting.

Jan 26 08 11:54 am Link

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Brooks Ayola

Posts: 9754

Chatsworth, California, US

Alan. If you go to the site he said he was shopping at, you'll see he's speaking of HMI's which, as you know, are built for video. At least that's how I read it.

http://www.imagewest.tv/

Jan 26 08 12:05 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Brooks Ayola wrote:
Alan. If you go to the site he said he was shopping at, you'll see he's speaking of HMI's which, as you know, are built for video. At least that's how I read it.

http://www.imagewest.tv/

I saw that, I just want to make sure that is what he intends to do.  There are always people in these threads who tell you to go shop at Home Depot, which BTW has tubes and fixtures that will work just fine.  The problem is that most of them have not actually done it so they end up with the wrong things.

I thought I would take a minute and spell it all out.  You are right though.  If he ends up with the tubes he originally suggested, he will be just fine.

Jan 26 08 12:42 pm Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

To add what Alan is saying, when you buy the bulbs (Even if they're a crapload of compact FL lamps) you want to buy all the bulbs at the same time, and maybe keep a full set of spares. The reason for this is because as he said they age, and as they age they can change color temperature (this is no different for photo floods or Quartz lamps). So the last thing you want to do is change out 1 light so that the color temperature varies from bulb to bulb.

You can correct for color temperature if all the bulbs are the same, but you'll have difficulty doing so if they are mixed.

Jan 26 08 12:46 pm Link

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Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

Hey thanks everybody!!  Very helpful!!

Jan 26 08 01:47 pm Link

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Foto Bigler

Posts: 279

Personality Imaging wrote:
I usually use my 6 White-Lightning monolights, but I'm thinking of getting some 1280 watt daylight fluorescent floods with softboxes, umbrellas etc for shooting video clips, maybe from imagewest.tv.  Are these things any good for stills?  I'm thinking that it would be easy to fine tune them for fine art studio nudes, etc. but I don't want to be shooting at 1/15th at f/2.8 either.  Anybody have any ideas?

You can shoot standard shop fluoros at 1/60, they are great and you can get them cheaper at large home hardware chains.  Mix the tubes though, printed ratings are WRONG.

Jan 26 08 04:43 pm Link

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Foto Bigler

Posts: 279

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
There are always people in these threads who tell you to go shop at Home Depot, which BTW has tubes and fixtures that will work just fine.  The problem is that most of them have not actually done it so they end up with the wrong things.

I HAVE done it, so again, buy several of the 2 tube shop lites, build some banks to attach them to and to mount on lightstands.  Get a selection of tubes and alternate them, that will give a balanced light that hits model.

Jan 26 08 04:46 pm Link

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Amedeus

Posts: 1873

Stockton, California, US

I went Kino-flo tubes after playing around and measuring the so-called high CRI, daylight etc fluorescent tubes.  The green mercury spike is pretty bad, OK for an effect.

I currently use Kino-flo tubes but build my own fixtures or incorporate the tubes in set-designs.  There's a measurable difference in spectrum between these and the more standard tubes. 

As for ballast, you need a fully electronic ballast to make it flicker free.  Kino-flo tubes require an HO type ballast as these tubes run on 800-900mA.

YMMV,

Rudi A.

Jan 26 08 05:08 pm Link