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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

Any idea of the post production on this?  I figured that it was some photoshop work but any clues as to what they did?  I wouldn't know where to start...

Feb 10 08 11:27 am Link

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KEKnight

Posts: 1876

Cumming, Georgia, US

A link to the pic might help.  =o)

Feb 10 08 11:29 am Link

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jonaswahlin

Posts: 1167

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

Pictures?

Feb 10 08 11:29 am Link

Feb 10 08 11:30 am Link

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KGToops Photography

Posts: 2439

Treasure Island, Florida, US

i have stared at that photo for days,
still have no idea

Feb 10 08 11:30 am Link

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jonaswahlin

Posts: 1167

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

amazing! how how how...... me want

Feb 10 08 11:31 am Link

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KEKnight

Posts: 1876

Cumming, Georgia, US

try googling "PS water drops" and go from there.

Feb 10 08 11:31 am Link

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Tizzy Photography

Posts: 1132

Miami, Florida, US

Funny I was going to start a topic on this as an argument against all the "Is photoshop over used... does photoshop belong" arguments. This image is not possible without it.

To be honest I would say the water is most likely computer generated using some very.. VERY skilled 3D artists and a lot of actual image sampling to create the frae structure. The bitch of it is getting the texture and transparency right.
-Tizzy

Feb 10 08 11:34 am Link

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EL PIC

Posts: 2835

Austin, Indiana, US

There are several ways to do all start w naked shoot and end in PS.
Ask her if you want more details or http://www.n-sane.net/effects/water-drops/index.php.
EL

Feb 10 08 11:34 am Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

Sorry I didn't provide a link.  I figured anyone who saw it was immediately going crazy trying to figure it out.  It's on the cover of at least one magazine in half the world and jumps off the magazine racks into your hands where you stare at in shock and awe...

Feb 10 08 11:36 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Video production software designed the water initially, than PS took it to the final stages of extreme detail.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Feb 10 08 11:36 am Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:
Video production software designed the water initially, than PS took it to the final stages of extreme detail.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Got any details?  Think it's the workflow that JC/crew developed for Abyss/T2?  Was that developed in Maya?  Lightworks?  There are lots of water plug-ins available for programs these days.  Doesn't look like an After Effects plug-in...

Feb 10 08 11:38 am Link

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Dark Angel Photography

Posts: 9584

Orlando, Florida, US

Tizzy Photography wrote:
Funny I was going to start a topic on this as an argument against all the "Is photoshop over used... does photoshop belong" arguments. This image is not possible without it.

To be honest I would say the water is most likely computer generated using some very.. VERY skilled 3D artists and a lot of actual image sampling to create the frae structure. The bitch of it is getting the texture and transparency right.
-Tizzy

...BINGO...

   3-D computer generated matte...   simulated water from a real mold taken and simulated by using a matte generator...

   ...good call...

Feb 10 08 11:39 am Link

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Cgr

Posts: 252

Miami, Arizona, US

No it is a photo of water splashing which was manipulated in photo shop then they used different layers and blending modes to put them together. Thanks for the links those were amazing photos.

Feb 10 08 11:39 am Link

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KEKnight

Posts: 1876

Cumming, Georgia, US

Chad M Gardner wrote:
No it is a photo of water splashing which was manipulated in photo shop then they used different layers and blending modes to put them together. Thanks for the links those were amazing photos.

I can see how several pictures of something splashing in water could pretty easily be manipulated to produce this.  Good call!!

Edit:  turn the spashing water upside down ... seems to work

Feb 10 08 11:42 am Link

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B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

So are we saying it wasn't done in-camera then....? https://www.foroaforo.com/foros/images/icons/509.gif

Surely, with an 8x10 camera and some big plates of glass, and some mirrors and...

Feb 10 08 11:43 am Link

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Dems

Posts: 105

New York, New York, US

you could do that effect with a 3d software, maya, cinema 4d, etc..... not saying thats how that image was done.

Feb 10 08 11:45 am Link

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Hipgnosis Dreams

Posts: 8943

Dallas, Texas, US

Frame In A Million wrote:
So are we saying it wasn't done in-camera then....? https://www.foroaforo.com/foros/images/icons/509.gif

Surely, with an 8x10 camera and some big plates of glass, and some mirrors and...

Maybe it's HDR wink

Feb 10 08 11:45 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

csaltphoto wrote:

Got any details?  Think it's the workflow that JC/crew developed for Abyss/T2?  Was that developed in Maya?  Lightworks?  There are lots of water plug-ins available for programs these days.  Doesn't look like an After Effects plug-in...

http://www.nextlimit.com/realflow/te_videos.htm


Thats a cool link,  and that's all I can say on this.  wink


Stephen Eastwood
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Feb 10 08 11:46 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Frame In A Million wrote:
So are we saying it wasn't done in-camera then....? https://www.foroaforo.com/foros/images/icons/509.gif

Surely, with an 8x10 camera and some big plates of glass, and some mirrors and...

I am going to try it all in camera!   on film no less big_smile

Waiting for the next tidal wave to hit NY  wink



Stephen Eastwood
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Feb 10 08 11:47 am Link

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Paul Ferris

Posts: 3625

New York, New York, US

csaltphoto wrote:
Any idea of the post production on this?  I figured that it was some photoshop work but any clues as to what they did?  I wouldn't know where to start...

I hear that they used Tom Bradys tears after he lost to the Giants in the Superbowl!

Feb 10 08 11:47 am Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

That's the real question; is it real water or CG water?  They use both in film.  Real always looks and behaves more like water but when you can't get to behave right, there is CG.  Dramatically different workflows though...

Feb 10 08 11:48 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

csaltphoto wrote:
Real always looks and behaves more like water

I would say it does not!   Fake behaves like water, real water does not behave at all really  sad


Stephen Eastwood
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Feb 10 08 11:50 am Link

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KEKnight

Posts: 1876

Cumming, Georgia, US

StephenEastwood wrote:

I would say it does not!   Fake behaves like water, real water does not behave at all really  sad


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

LMAO !!!

Feb 10 08 11:52 am Link

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Dems

Posts: 105

New York, New York, US

i think it's cgi, you could use a meta object in 3d to create the water..


https://www.math.sunysb.edu/~sorin/online-docs/blender/html/gfx/chapter_mesh_modelling/MetaBall01.png

Feb 10 08 11:53 am Link

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AU fotografia

Posts: 1723

Houston, Texas, US

csaltphoto wrote:
That's the real question; is it real water or CG water?  They use both in film.  Real always looks and behaves more like water but when you can't get to behave right, there is CG.  Dramatically different workflows though...

it does behave better in video, but it's a still you can get it to do whatever you want... so yeah.. it's computer generated... no doubts.. they can get the curves the want and stuff

Feb 10 08 11:53 am Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:

http://www.nextlimit.com/realflow/te_videos.htm


Thats a cool link,  and that's all I can say on this.  wink


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Great link, thanks!  Interesting since I have to research/produce some allegorical/abstract videos for work this year on the subject of "currents" (climate change of course... sigh).  Have to get my contractors to start playing with this plug-in and get up to speed.  Apparently it's cross-platform.

Feb 10 08 11:58 am Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:

I would say it does not!   Fake behaves like water, real water does not behave at all really  sad


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Kind of the point though in that real water reaches a level of randomness that is difficult to model with reasonable processing limitations.  Sometimes it's just cheaper to go real, rather than book the render farm for a month...  Although I was reading in Wired a month or two ago about some Danish guy who has a new program that uses new algorhythms to generate the complexity of ramdomness in natural fluids and currents.  Problem is, once it starts running, you can't control it really!  But it's helpful in areas of scale.  But it's the rendering that's the killer.  Last project I did it was something like 5 minutes a frame for 1920x1080.  But for a single frame like the Gisele shot, that would be a breeze even at higher res.

Feb 10 08 12:04 pm Link

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Danny Does Glamour

Posts: 2346

Atlanta, Georgia, US

StephenEastwood wrote:
Video production software designed the water initially, than PS took it to the final stages of extreme detail.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Actually it is real water. A stand-in for Giselle had water thrown on her for 3 days. The resulting images were manipulated using masks and channels to get the final result.

FYI, I read the making of it in an article a few months ago. I heard that the article is on the web site for the product being advertised but it's written in Portugese.

Danny

Feb 10 08 12:14 pm Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

Danny Does Glamour wrote:

Actually it is real water. A stand-in for Giselle had water thrown on her for 3 days. The resulting images were manipulated using masks and channels to get the final result.

FYI, I read the making of it in an article a few months ago. I heard that the article is on the web site for the product being advertised but it's written in Portugese.

Danny

Were there any pics from the shoot?  Was she wearing the mo-cap blue/green lycra suit (for keying out later)?  That route sounds promising.

Feb 10 08 12:17 pm Link

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Danny Does Glamour

Posts: 2346

Atlanta, Georgia, US

csaltphoto wrote:

Were there any pics from the shoot?  Was she wearing the mo-cap blue/green lycra suit (for keying out later)?  That route sounds promising.

I don't remember any shots of the set where they were throwing the water. There were some behind the scenes shots of Giselle being shot in a bikini though.

Danny

Feb 10 08 12:45 pm Link

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RGK Photography

Posts: 4695

Wilton, Connecticut, US

Paul Ferris  wrote:

I hear that they used Tom Bradys tears after he lost to the Giants in the Superbowl!

Rep

Feb 10 08 12:47 pm Link

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csaltphoto

Posts: 161

Santa Cruz, California, US

Danny Does Glamour wrote:

I don't remember any shots of the set where they were throwing the water. There were some behind the scenes shots of Giselle being shot in a bikini though.

Danny

Yeah, I've seen those shots but objects/materials with varying opacity/density/reflectivity are bitch to key...

Feb 10 08 01:08 pm Link

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utako omori

Posts: 268

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

somewhere on this flash based site,

http://www.ipanemagiselebundchen.com.br/

there's a behind the scenes  "making of" link that is not informative, except that in all the pics Adriana  was photographed in a nude toned bikini.  Funny how with that kind of budget, it's ok to spend the extra thousands on post production work to remove the bikini.

Feb 10 08 01:38 pm Link

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Zir Tuan

Posts: 149

Dallas, Texas, US

Maya

Feb 10 08 01:40 pm Link

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JoshuaBerardi

Posts: 654

Davenport, Iowa, US

Throw rocks into a bucket and take a picture or design the water in a 3d program. (much easier to work with!!!)

-joshua

Feb 10 08 01:45 pm Link

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pretty pleads

Posts: 4868

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

ADRIÈNNE FERREIRA wrote:
http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/Gisele_2-em-baixo.jpg

http://www.intrigue.ie/images/blog/gisele-naked-1.jpg

that is insane!
wow!

Feb 10 08 01:47 pm Link

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JoshuaBerardi

Posts: 654

Davenport, Iowa, US

utako omori wrote:
somewhere on this flash based site,

http://www.ipanemagiselebundchen.com.br/

there's a behind the scenes  "making of" link that is not informative, except that in all the pics Adriana  was photographed in a nude toned bikini.  Funny how with that kind of budget, it's ok to spend the extra thousands on post production work to remove the bikini.

What a piece of crap website.

sorry.
-joshua

Feb 10 08 01:49 pm Link

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eg

Posts: 1225

Miami Beach, Florida, US

by Tuan wrote:
Maya

ELECTROIMAGE and MAYA

wink

Feb 10 08 01:50 pm Link

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ChanStudio

Posts: 9219

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

There were some talk (I can't find the site anymore) about how it was done.  Basically, they took a pic of her and then use another model and splash waters on the other model.  Then photo shop were used to transform the image.

Feb 10 08 01:51 pm Link