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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

I'd like to wire my two 5D's together to expose at the same time, from different angles in the room. One 5D will need to trigger the studio strobes.

My first though was to buy two cheap remote triggers and rewire them to be a single button with two cables.

I'm a little worried about not screwing up my cameras, but also worried about the second camera syncing properly to the strobes at 1/125s.

Anyone have any experience with similar experiments, especially with EOS digital cameras?

Feb 12 08 12:44 am Link

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digital Artform

Posts: 49326

Los Angeles, California, US

Hm. Well that's how that Matrix "bullet time" effect is done, only with 100 cameras all firing at once. So someone must have worked it out.

Feb 12 08 12:46 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

Well in my opinion, if the only visible light source is going to be the strobes, then find the lowest shutter speed that will be least 2 stops underexposed for the ambient light. Since as long as you are under the flash sync speed you should be ok.

Ideally if it were possible, you could have both cameras set for 1 second or so exposure, then fire the strobes shortly after you fire both of the cameras. IT would only really work if the ambient light is not strong enough to register on the sensor at 1 second with the selected aperture.

May I ask the purpose of needing both cameras to take identical exposures but from different angles of the room?

Feb 12 08 12:46 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

digital Artform wrote:
Hm. Well that's how that Matrix "bullet time" effect is done, only with 100 cameras all firing at once.

Wasn't it fired in sequence but very rapidly after one and the other? (ie: not at the same time, but miliseconds one after the other.)

Feb 12 08 12:47 am Link

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KevinMichaelReed

Posts: 1554

New York, New York, US

I've never tried it, but I have a feeling you can do this with four PocketWizards.  One to Click the shutters, one on each camera and one on your strobe.

Use This:
http://www.paramountcords.com/pockwiz.asp
To connect your camera.


KMR

Feb 12 08 12:47 am Link

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Robert Bowling

Posts: 496

Wesley Chapel, Florida, US

Well if you really want to go off the deep end use two Pocket Wizard recievers with the appropriate $200 cables and trigger the cameras remotely with a single PW transmitter. If you don't have any of the stuff it'll set you pack the cost of the PW's + the two cables (I'd guesstimate aroung $600 without doing any real research) , but far less than replacing 2 5D's.......

R_L

Oops just checked the cables have really come down in price! http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Wizard-Can … B00009XVMT

Feb 12 08 12:47 am Link

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Dark Angel Photography

Posts: 9584

Orlando, Florida, US

Karl Blessing wrote:

Wasn't it fired in sequence but very rapidly after one and the other? (ie: not at the same time, but miliseconds one after the other.)

...yes it was...

Feb 12 08 12:49 am Link

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DVS

Posts: 10000

Detroit, Michigan, US

Karl Blessing wrote:

Wasn't it fired in sequence but very rapidly after one and the other? (ie: not at the same time, but miliseconds one after the other.)

It was done both ways...simultaneously for the halted-time effect and in succession for the slow-motion-move-around effect.

Feb 12 08 12:53 am Link

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Newzpix

Posts: 662

Manassas, Georgia, US

It's been done by sports photographers for years. I know a Sports Illustrated shooter who works one camera under the basket (NBA), a remote mounted in the overhead catwalk,  while his assistant is on the other end of the court shooting the same play with a 300/2.8. The SI shooter triggers all the cameras via Pocket Wizards linked to his camera. The assistant just points and focuses.

If you are using one camera handheld, use a PocketWizard Plus II and plug in into the PC sync outlet on your handheld camera then plug the other into the proper interface on the other camera. You'll need to get the correct camera interface cable for the PW. Have a third PW on the strobe or use a PC cord from the remote camera.

Feb 12 08 12:53 am Link

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Hansen Tsang

Posts: 195

Hilo, Hawaii, US

http://www.breezesys.com/

Check this out. If they can fire 120 cameras with 5 computers I am sure you can fire 2 cameras with 1 computer.

Feb 12 08 12:57 am Link

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Phun Fotography

Posts: 344

Ypsilanti, Michigan, US

1) bullet time was done with cameras fired in sequence, not at the same time.  They were all hooked up to a computer with special S/W to make the sequence.

2) You can do it by opening up all shutters in a dark room, flash the light, and close the shutters.  Thats cheep.

3) if you cant be in a dark room, then the pocket wizards triggering multiple cameras is your best bet.

4) if the cameras are placed at the same ratio of distance as your eyes are then a 3D image is what you get, just like a kids viewmaster toy.

5) their are already speciality cameras that take 2 images on one piece of film for converting into 3D.  Their used to be a disposable one for this and you got a image like the 3D ones in the cracker jack boxes that have ridges to defract the light creating the illusion.

Feb 12 08 12:59 am Link

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C and J Photography

Posts: 1986

Hauula, Hawaii, US

16 channel Wireless remote shutter triggers are $22.97 on ebay. I use this. They are great. Just bought another because I would hate to be without mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=013

Buy one for each camera and a spare or two.

Set all receivers on the same channel.

Set one camera hot shoe to trigger the strobes on the first curtain.

Set all cameras to 1/200 second.

Toss all the extra transmitters in a drawer.

You are loaded for bear.

Feb 12 08 01:11 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

If the 3D look is the goal, they do make prisms that split the image onto both half of the frame. Not as high a quality as the bare lens but, if 3D is the goal can you insure that both the left and right are in identical focus on two separate cameras?

Feb 12 08 01:14 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

C and J Photography wrote:
16 channel Wireless remote shutter triggers are $24 on ebay.

Buy one for each camera and a spare or two.

Set all receivers on the same channel.

Set one camera hot shoe to trigger the strobes on the first curtain.

Set all cameras to 1/200 second.

Toss all the extra transmitters in a drawer.

You are loaded for bear.

Depending on the wireless trigger that sync speed may be pushing it too close since the delay in the trigger might cause the shutter to hit in the path of the flash.

Those cheap triggers in a studio sometimes, if you set at top speed you may still end up with a black bar due to the delay in the trigger, but if you go down one notch like from 1/200 to 1/180 or 1/125 the problem goes away.

Feb 12 08 01:16 am Link

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KevinMichaelReed

Posts: 1554

New York, New York, US

Hansen Tsang wrote:
http://www.breezesys.com/

Check this out. If they can fire 120 cameras with 5 computers I am sure you can fire 2 cameras with 1 computer.

I always wondered if the software was available to do that, but $95/camera.  That's steep.  Then add the cost of the camera. WOW!

Feb 12 08 01:25 am Link

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C and J Photography

Posts: 1986

Hauula, Hawaii, US

Karl Blessing wrote:
Depending on the wireless trigger that sync speed may be pushing it too close since the delay in the trigger might cause the shutter to hit in the path of the flash.

Those cheap triggers in a studio sometimes, if you set at top speed you may still end up with a black bar due to the delay in the trigger, but if you go down one notch like from 1/200 to 1/180 or 1/125 the problem goes away.

I shoot at 1/200 all day with 30Ds and get curtain losses in about one of every 50 to 100 images.

1/200 is one notch down from the 30D 1/250 synch speed.

Canon allows a 1/125 (or slower) synch speed with studio strobes for my 30Ds and a 1/60 synch speed (or slower) with studio strobes for my 1D3. My strobes are fine at 1/200 for both body styles.

Your point is well taken. The lag times will certainly vary shot to shot. The biggest issue will be delays caused by focusing and such. I do not think 1/125 or even 1/30 will make those go away where multiple cameras are triggered if autofocus is involved. My recommended solution will probably have a lot of unsynchronized shots along with a lot of good captures.

Results of course will vary.

Karl's suggestion about low ambient light and very slow shutter speeds would also have a lot of potential. If you needed to do that though autofocus would be a non issue and shutter lag would be fairly consistent so you could still shoot 1/10 or so and hit all your targets setting the master camera to second curtain synch and 1/20 exposure.

Feb 12 08 01:26 am Link

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Phun Fotography

Posts: 344

Ypsilanti, Michigan, US

DVS wrote:

It was done both ways...simultaneously for the halted-time effect and in succession for the slow-motion-move-around effect.

good point i vaguely remember that in the dvd extras..

Feb 12 08 01:33 am Link

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JandRStudios

Posts: 733

Houston, Texas, US

KevinMichaelReed wrote:
I've never tried it, but I have a feeling you can do this with four PocketWizards.  One to Click the shutters, one on each camera and one on your strobe.

Use This:
http://www.paramountcords.com/pockwiz.asp
To connect your camera.


KMR

correct way to do it, and if your strobes have a slave feature, they will fire from the light source of the others.

Feb 12 08 01:37 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

C and J Photography wrote:
1/200 is one notch down from the 30D 1/250 synch speed.

Canon allows a 1/125 (or slower) synch speed with studio strobes for my 30Ds and a 1/60 synch speed (or slower) with studio strobes for my 1D3. My strobes are fine at 1/200 for both body styles.

Your point is well taken. The lag times will certainly vary shot to shot. The biggest issue will be delays caused by focusing and such. I do not think 1/125 or even 1/30 will make those go away where multiple cameras are triggered if autofocus is involved. My recommended solution will probably have a lot of unsynchronized shots along with a lot of good captures.

However the top speed on the 5D is 1/200 thus why I responded to your 1/200th recommendation in that manner.

Feb 12 08 01:37 am Link

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C and J Photography

Posts: 1986

Hauula, Hawaii, US

Karl Blessing wrote:

However the top speed on the 5D is 1/200 thus why I responded to your 1/200th recommendation in that manner.

Point taken.

Feb 12 08 01:40 am Link

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Rico Estavales Dallas

Posts: 680

Dallas, Texas, US

You could try Remote shooting with the software that came with your camera. It works for one camera, you would have to try it out with 2 or more though. You just need USB cables. Plug in 2 USB cable with the cameras attached. If the Software recognizes 2 cameras at the same time and can trigger them at the same time then you are set with the cheapest solution.

Feb 12 08 01:46 am Link

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A Creative View

Posts: 603

Atlanta, Georgia, US

What about the wireless remote that will trigger the same model camera at the same time?

Feb 12 08 01:46 am Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

You can also go the more elaborately precise route, and use PocketWizard MultiMax units. Do some testing as described in the PocketWizard manual to establish each camera's delay, and program that into the PWs. One Transmitter to trigger all the cameras, one transmitter to trigger the flash, and receivers on each camera and flash. (Or on one flash and use optical slaves for the rest.)

Feb 12 08 02:46 am Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

Karl Blessing wrote:
May I ask the purpose of needing both cameras to take identical exposures but from different angles of the room?

Just some random ideas for experimenting with 3D and multiple perspectives.

3D isn't the only goal, so a prism wouldn't be useful here.

Focus will be set manually on both cameras, so lag shouldn't be an issue.

The ideas of using PW's or the Breeze system are interesting, but expensive.

I like C and J's idea--$25 is a reasonable budget.

Feb 12 08 02:06 pm Link

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Phil Wever

Posts: 28

Des Moines, Iowa, US

Here is a link to how the pro's shoot more than one camera on one pop of light in a basketball game.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1709

These guys do it all the time and yes there is some expensive cords to purchase.

Just FYI,
Phil

Feb 12 08 02:11 pm Link

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Your Average Joe

Posts: 419

Warsaw, Illinois, US

Phil Wever wrote:
Here is a link to how the pro's shoot more than one camera on one pop of light in a basketball game.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1709

These guys do it all the time and yes there is some expensive cords to purchase.

Just FYI,
Phil

It's good the see someone with real info!
I hate all the guessing.
Here's another link that's not as detailed but gives great insight.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/30fps/

Feb 12 08 02:18 pm Link

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Phil Wever

Posts: 28

Des Moines, Iowa, US

Thanks Joe!

Feb 12 08 02:48 pm Link