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-Brad-

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Los Angeles, California, US

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I need to match the temperature of two AB 800 mono lights and two 1000 watt halogen hot lights. I want to gel the strobes, and  I’m pretty sure there is a gel designed for this purpose, but I’m not sure what it’s called. 
Can someone give me the proper description so I know what to ask for at Samy’s tomorrow?  :-)

Feb 22 08 09:44 pm Link

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VonJake-O Foto

Posts: 761

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I use a Lee 204 gel to change flash to tungsten.  It is orange in color.

Feb 22 08 09:47 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Bradley Laurent wrote:
I need to match the temperature of two AB 800 mono lights and two 1000 watt halogen hot lights. I want to gel the strobes, and  I’m pretty sure there is a gel designed for this purpose, but I’m not sure what it’s called. 
Can someone give me the proper description so I know what to ask for at Samy’s tomorrow?  :-)

CTO is the standard one: Color Temperature Orange. It converts daylight (5500K) to Tungsten (2900K). A 3/4 CTO will convert to 3400K, which is probably closer to the lamps you're describing, if the AB color temp is 5500 or so.

There's other names for it, and minor variations, but that'll be enough to get started. If you know the color temperature of both the flash and the halogen lamps, you can further fine tune. See Rosco's chart for an example.

Feb 22 08 10:11 pm Link

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Ivan Aps

Posts: 4996

Miami, Florida, US

Kevin Connery wrote:

CTO is the standard one: Color Temperature Orange. It converts daylight (5500K) to Tungsten (2900K)

There's other names for it, and minor variations, but that'll be enough to get started.

Ding Ding Ding.

Sadly, most everything I leaned about gels and modifiers and filters came from spending hours in the local photo supply stores talking to old guys that have been there for decades.  Very few of them these days so if you find one....enjoy. smile

Feb 22 08 10:14 pm Link

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Andy Pearlman

Posts: 3411

Los Angeles, California, US

Technically it should be an 85B (over the strobes), if your hot lights are actually 3400°, which they're probably not. If they're regular room incandescent lights, they're probably lower than that (meaning warmer). I think you can get by with a heavy does of Bastard Amber or just about anything in the orange family though. BTW, an 85B is also good over daylight windows - its what the movie crews use in giant sheets to balance daylight coming in windows with hot lights on a location set.

Andy Pearlman

Feb 22 08 10:14 pm Link

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-Brad-

Posts: 1631

Los Angeles, California, US

Thanks everyone!

I went to Amvona and here is the light info:

1000 watt / 22000 lumen / 3200 K bulb

So would the 85B be the right choice? Is close good enough?

I'm not sure of the temp of the Alienbee 800 flash tube.

Feb 22 08 10:23 pm Link

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Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 7026

Eugene, Oregon, US

Go to the Alienbee site and check to see what they say.

They list the color temp of all their tubes.

Feb 22 08 11:50 pm Link

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-Brad-

Posts: 1631

Los Angeles, California, US

Lorin Edmonds wrote:
Go to the Alienbee site and check to see what they say.

They list the color temp of all their tubes.

I did and can find every bit of information except the temp.  :-(

Feb 23 08 09:33 am Link

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Silver Mirage

Posts: 1585

Plainview, Texas, US

Bradley Laurent wrote:

I did and can find every bit of information except the temp.  :-(

The hot lights will vary with bulb age and line voltage -- they may even vary from shot to shot as heating blowers, refrigerators and the like cycle on and off in the building.

The ABs will vary with power setting and age of the flash tubes. And if you use softboxes, umbrellas or reflectors that will also affect the color.

Get a CTO and 3/4 CTO and test -- one of them will likely be close enough.

Feb 23 08 09:44 am Link