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Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

SP-Systems Excalibur 3200

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I'm looking into some lights... all my work has been done with available light, so I'm kind of new to this.

thanks.

Feb 08 06 11:08 am Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

and this one

Photogenic StudioMax III Constant Color 320

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control … Navigation

thanks
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I'm also looking at the Alien Bees big_smile

Feb 08 06 11:12 am Link

Model

Jay Dezelic

Posts: 5029

Seattle, Washington, US

I think it all depends on what you are doing.  With your experience being in utilizing available light, and having interest in video, than maybe hot lights would be a better answer?  However, living in a tropical zone, I would think that you might be doing a lot of location work where a battery powered strobe of at least 600 ws would be handy.  Just some thoughts anyway.

Feb 08 06 12:19 pm Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

Jay Dezelic wrote:
I think it all depends on what you are doing.  With your experience being in utilizing available light, and having interest in video, than maybe hot lights would be a better answer?  However, living in a tropical zone, I would think that you might be doing a lot of location work where a battery powered strobe of at least 600 ws would be handy.  Just some thoughts anyway.

thanks for the feedback

I do own hot lights... but they are brutal on models and I'm really interested in starting on some strobe lighting...

I'll be doing some on location shots but I will also like to do some studio work... I have a buddy that has a space with a high ceiling...

thanks Jay

Feb 08 06 12:25 pm Link

Photographer

EMG STUDIOS

Posts: 2033

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Excalibur lights will work fine. I use them and have only used them since I started shooting. They are inexpensive (bigger than I'd like them to be), and they get the job done. No matter what lights you decide to go with, there will be learning curve as you understand what your lights can and cannot do.

I didn't want to spend a lot of money on strobes, so I went with the Excalibur set and have since added a set of 6400's to the case.

Feb 08 06 01:15 pm Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
Excalibur lights will work fine. I use them and have only used them since I started shooting. They are inexpensive (bigger than I'd like them to be), and they get the job done. No matter what lights you decide to go with, there will be learning curve as you understand what your lights can and cannot do.

I didn't want to spend a lot of money on strobes, so I went with the Excalibur set and have since added a set of 6400's to the case.

cool... I saw your portfolio

what's your set up... softbox? umbrellas?

right now I'm shooting 35mm but I'm going to get a Canon 20D

Feb 08 06 01:27 pm Link

Model

Jay Dezelic

Posts: 5029

Seattle, Washington, US

Victor Javier wrote:
thanks for the feedback

I do own hot lights... but they are brutal on models and I'm really interested in starting on some strobe lighting...

I'll be doing some on location shots but I will also like to do some studio work... I have a buddy that has a space with a high ceiling...

thanks Jay

I agree.  I have done a couple shoots recently (as a model) with photographers who use hot lights.  It is a lot easier to hold an expression with strobes.  I can only imagine that hot lights would not be comfortable in warm climates either.

I have a portable Echelon Ranger 1100 WS system which I am very happy with for both studio and location work.  I rarely use full power so it gets hundreds of pops between charges.

Feb 08 06 01:36 pm Link

Photographer

Viper Studios

Posts: 1196

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

I have the Photogenic like that but the AC/DC version.

If I were you, I would spring a little bit more and get the AC/DC version.

You can then use it inside with AC or out with a Turbo type battery.

It's not as robust as the big brother photogenics (I have 5 of those), but it's lightweight, puts out plenty of light, etc.

The light weight is also a factor if you ever mount it on a boom for a hairlight or want to rig it up high.

It takes all the standard mounting rings that fit the bigger photogenics and all the other photogenic accessories (grids, snoots, barndoors, etc) so if you get some accessories, they will work down the road if you upgrade to the bigger photogenics.

On a lightweight lightstand, with a small softbox, the turbo battery and a pocket wizard, it makes a great outdoor fill.

Mark

Feb 08 06 01:44 pm Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

thks...

I'm going to look into that...

Feb 08 06 01:48 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

Well, I don't know about either brand, but if I would pick between the lesser of two evils just based on the published specs.... I'd stay away from the 1st 1) extremely long flash duration 2) recycle time is almost twice as long. #1 doesn't evenr try to claim constant color temperature which is critical.

These are both cheap units.

John

Feb 08 06 05:56 pm Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

John Allan wrote:
Well, I don't know about either brand, but if I would pick between the lesser of two evils just based on the published specs.... I'd stay away from the 1st 1) extremely long flash duration 2) recycle time is almost twice as long. #1 doesn't evenr try to claim constant color temperature which is critical.

These are both cheap units.

John

Thanks John... I'll keep on with my research

Feb 09 06 07:13 am Link

Photographer

Jim Sharp

Posts: 360

Paxton, Illinois, US

Victor Javier wrote:
and this one

Photogenic StudioMax III Constant Color 320

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control … Navigation

thanks
...........................

I'm also looking at the Alien Bees big_smile

Victor -

I've spoken with a couple of people who use the Alien Bees and are happy with them. They are inexpensive and seem do the job adequately although neither person is using them heavily.

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Jim

Feb 09 06 07:23 am Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

thanks Jim

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so far I'm going with the Photogenics

Feb 09 06 07:41 am Link

Photographer

Columbus Photo

Posts: 2318

Columbus, Georgia, US

The Studio Max's don't have fans.  That's a big downside.  I have the PowerLights.

Paul

Feb 09 06 11:02 am Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

the powerlights look great... but they are way out of my initial budget

Feb 09 06 11:14 am Link

Photographer

EMG STUDIOS

Posts: 2033

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Victor Javier wrote:
cool... I saw your portfolio
what's your set up... softbox? umbrellas?
right now I'm shooting 35mm but I'm going to get a Canon 20D

I use a combination of both as well as just the reflectors that come with these monolights. You can acheive the results you need if you're willing to learn to use your equipment correctly.


John Allan wrote:
Well, I don't know about either brand, but if I would pick between the lesser of two evils just based on the published specs.... I'd stay away from the 1st 1) extremely long flash duration 2) recycle time is almost twice as long. #1 doesn't evenr try to claim constant color temperature which is critical.

These are both cheap units.

John

I would agree with you that they are cheap units but I'm under the impression that the finished product is the ultimate goal. This is not an insult to your work, but I wouldn't be surprised if you told us you were using some expensive lights of some sort. Problem with that is, it's really hard to tell.

I have never been able to look at an image and say, this photographer used, alien bees, or this guy used smith vectors.. blah blah blah..... I don't mind admitting that my lights are cheap, (part of the reason I went with them) but I'm very satisfied with the results...

Feb 09 06 02:08 pm Link

Photographer

R Christopher

Posts: 173

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

EMG STUDIOS wrote:

Victor Javier wrote:
cool... I saw your portfolio
what's your set up... softbox? umbrellas?
right now I'm shooting 35mm but I'm going to get a Canon 20D

I use a combination of both as well as just the reflectors that come with these monolights. You can acheive the results you need if you're willing to learn to use your equipment correctly.



I would agree with you that they are cheap units but I'm under the impression that the finished product is the ultimate goal. This is not an insult to your work, but I wouldn't be surprised if you told us you were using some expensive lights of some sort. Problem with that is, it's really hard to tell.

I have never been able to look at an image and say, this photographer used, alien bees, or this guy used smith vectors.. blah blah blah..... I don't mind admitting that my lights are cheap, (part of the reason I went with them) but I'm very satisfied with the results...

I agree. I was a location photog who just moved to studio work and I started with some JTLs 320 that went for about $400 as a pair with the stands and two umbrellas. Except for an occasional "I wish the wattage was a tad bit higher" I love the strobe lights and If used correctly you can get some pretty good images off them.

Feb 09 06 02:15 pm Link

Photographer

oliviersuc

Posts: 5

Glenside, Pennsylvania, US

I am using Alien Bees B800 (set of 3) and they work great. You can pair them with some remote triggers (pocket wizards) for added flexibility.

Granted, they are cheap unit with manual adjustment for the power needed (although you can get a remote control to remotely control the needed power output), but they get the job done.

They are also fairly light and as such I use them for formal portraits at churches during my wedding gigs.

Customer service at Alien Bee is good to excellent. They carry a whole bunch of accessories (grids, reflectors, umbrellas, stands) at a good price too.

It could be a nice start-up kit (they actually have pre-defined start-up kits with differents light set-ups) and when you know what you need for your style or requirements you can get a "professional" equipment instead.

Feb 09 06 02:16 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

There must be hundreds of studio lighting systems available .

Not to sound like some commercial but im very satisfied with there products.

http://www.white-lightning.com

I can personally say the white lighting system by Paul buff  has more then adequately filled my needs with staying within budget plus i believe they also have a no questions asked complete 100% refund policy if not completely satisfied .

Good luck with your choice in lighting smile

Sincerely
Ron Blake

Feb 09 06 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

thanks to everyone for their feedback smile

Feb 10 06 10:22 am Link

Photographer

Vic J

Posts: 45

San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico

thanks to everyone for the feedback smile

Feb 10 06 10:22 am Link