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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
...nude images acceptable?
There is a model who is under 18 and has a topless image of herself and I asked her about it and she said...
"I actually turn 18 in 2 weeks and I planned to jump right into magazines as soon as I could. I couldn't bother with the months of faffing about AFTER my birthday, so I have everything I need to succeed already. I have already had some offers from some top magazines".
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makeupguy dot com
Posts: 436
Decatur, Georgia, US
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords?
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Stephen Fletcher
Posts: 7501
Norman, Oklahoma, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
...nude images acceptable?
There is a model who is under 18 and has a topless image of herself and I asked her about it and she said...
"I actually turn 18 in 2 weeks and I planned to jump right into magazines as soon as I could. I couldn't bother with the months of faffing about AFTER my birthday, so I have everything I need to succeed already. I have already had some offers from some top magazines". Just curious but.....what does "faffing" mean in American?
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
faffing is like to say, messing about with... you would use this word if you want to avoid loads of time doing something. Stephen Fletcher wrote:
Just curious but.....what does "faffing" mean in American?
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Stephen Fletcher wrote:
Just curious but.....what does "faffing" mean in American? It means "I can't type and don't look at what I type before I post it"
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
makeupguy dot com wrote:
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords? could you site some law or statue that supports your opinion?
nothing illegal about nudity..sexual content is however, another matter...
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
It means "I can't type and don't look at what I type before I post it" Or it could actually mean something, since the OP isn't from the US.
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
could you site some law or statue that supports your opinion?
nothing illegal about nudity..sexual content is however, another matter... could YOU site some law or statue that supports YOUR opinion?
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
Doug tell me you are not serious. Doug Swinskey wrote:
could you site some law or statue that supports your opinion?
nothing illegal about nudity..sexual content is however, another matter...
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
makeupguy dot com wrote:
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords? Without knowing more about this picture, or seeing it this entire post is bunk. Topless pictures are not illegal in themselves. Stop feeding into peoples fears.
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
what does topless mean to you then? PlasticPuppet wrote:
Without knowing more about this picture, or seeing it this entire post is bunk. Topless pictures are not illegal in themselves. Stop feeding into peoples fears.
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Acasia Spades MUA
Posts: 112
San Diego, California, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
It means "I can't type and don't look at what I type before I post it" Do you ever have anything positive to say?
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Minors do not have the legal right to give their permission or sign a release
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Acasia Spades MUA wrote:
Do you ever have anything positive to say? Do you not have any sense of humor ?
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
urbanglamouruk wrote:
what does topless mean to you then?
Just like everyone elses, without clothing.
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Minors do not have the legal right to give their permission or sign a release Nope they usually don't, but that doesn't mean someone (as in her parents) didn't sign for her either.
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
So taking a topless image of an under 18 female with her bare breasts clearly showing is legal? PlasticPuppet wrote:
Just like everyone elses, without clothing.
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
Doug tell me you are not serious. im dead serious...there is nothing illegal about shooting underage models nude...
but there is a big problem shooting them in sexually suggestive situations...
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VisualRamblings
Posts: 1951
Denver, Colorado, US
makeupguy dot com wrote:
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords? I believe Traci Lords was sucking dicks while topless. That is an entirely different thing wouldn't you agree?
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
makeupguy dot com wrote:
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords? *Round of Applause*
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
could you site some law or statue that supports your opinion? nothing illegal about nudity..sexual content is however, another matter... Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
could YOU site some law or statue that supports YOUR opinion? i cant direct you, to where non existant laws are....
a caveat....in florida..there are no laws prohibiting underage nudity in images...
check out david lachapells website...he has an underage nude right on the splash page
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MLRPhoto
Posts: 5766
Olivet, Michigan, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
what does topless mean to you then? No top?
Most likely breasts visible . .
To the best of my knowledge, the comment is correct. Nudity, under the right conditions, is not illegal for under 18 year olds. It does open you up to all sorts of headaches, but it's not illegal in and of itself.
Ever seen this before? (Link 18+ and famous.)
http://bp0.blogger.com/_aAMgJW-puHc/R13 … _birch.jpg
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
urbanglamouruk wrote:
So taking a topless image of an under 18 female with her bare breasts clearly showing is legal?
Yes, provided that the pictures aren't sexualized in way, or made provocative, or zoomed in just on her breasts or nipples.
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Kymberly Jane wrote:
*Round of Applause* Applause for sensationalisms?
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MLRPhoto
Posts: 5766
Olivet, Michigan, US
makeupguy dot com wrote:
if anyone pulbishes these pictures.. they're going to get in trouble!!
they need to be taken on or AFTER her 18th birthday!!
shame on her.. she's going to get busted.. and even more shame on the photographers
Remember Traci Lords? Kymberly Jane wrote:
*Round of Applause* Traci Lords didn't exactly do innocent artistic nudes. There is a (HUGE, when dealing with under 18 year olds) difference.
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Foto Billy
Posts: 110
I wouldn't shoot her anywhere in the States for any amount. If you are so hell bent on shooting kids..... ask her parent to fly to Germany and meet her there. The age of consent is 16, and full age consent is 18.
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
VisualRamblings wrote:
I believe Traci Lords was sucking dicks while topless. That is an entirely different thing wouldn't you agree? Actually, the biggest problem she had was that she used forged ID's in order to get adult work.
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
ok i am not going to present the image of what I am talking about so i will use the one you posted. The one your posted is 99% the same as the one I am talking about. That is legal!!?? MikeRobisonPhotos wrote:
No top?
Most likely breasts visible . .
To the best of my knowledge, the comment is correct. Nudity, under the right conditions, is not illegal for under 18 year olds. It does open you up to all sorts of headaches, but it's not illegal in and of itself.
Ever seen this before? (Link 18+ and famous.)
http://bp0.blogger.com/_aAMgJW-puHc/R13 … _birch.jpg
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
urbanglamouruk wrote:
ok i am not going to present the image of what I am talking about so i will use the one you posted. The one your posted is 99% the same as the one I am talking about. That is legal!!?? Yup. While, I'm sure there ARE people that would have a problem with it, but it isn't illegal.
EDIT -- but against the rules of MM.
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CastanerFoto -aka- GRS
Posts: 533
Littleton, Massachusetts, US
Foto Billy wrote:
I wouldn't shoot her anywhere in the States for any amount. If you are so hell bent on shooting kids..... ask her parent to fly to Germany and meet her there. The age of consent is 16, and full age consent is 18. actually if you are an america citizen an you go to another country to do something that is illigal here, if you are found to have done this by american law officials you can still be procecuted and you will when u return!
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Stephen Fletcher
Posts: 7501
Norman, Oklahoma, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
faffing is like to say, messing about with...
you would use this word if you want to avoid loads of time doing something.
Thank you. I suspected as much from the context it was used in....but it really was a new term to me.
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Brian T Rickey
Posts: 4008
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
Whether legal or not, who wants to look at or take photos of an underage girls body or defend the photographers who do it?
edit - I just remembered there is a famous female photographer who has drawn a lot of fire for publishing a book of her kids, two girls and one boy I think, when they were really young. They are sometimes nude. The book is I think at least 10 years old. She has recently been on Charlie rose talking about a follow up book.
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PlasticPuppet
Posts: 2719
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Great Road Studio wrote:
actually if you are an america citizen an you go to another country to do something that is illigal here, if you are found to have done this by american law officials you can still be procecuted and you will! Valid point. Didn't that happen just recently to a sex tourist that went to Brazil?
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urbanglamouruk
Posts: 50
London, England, United Kingdom
having looked at the togs folio and the models work, It would be narrow minded of me to assume the tog investigated either if she was 18 and or if the shots he took of her fall into what is deemed acceptable underage photography.
Having read and re-read her response to me, i am going to assume that she did not tell the tog she was under 18. Damn fucking shame, what a bitch of a way to take a fall.
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MLRPhoto
Posts: 5766
Olivet, Michigan, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
ok i am not going to present the image of what I am talking about so i will use the one you posted. The one your posted is 99% the same as the one I am talking about. That is legal!!??
Apparently. It got them an Oscar (ok, there might have been other factors).
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MLRPhoto
Posts: 5766
Olivet, Michigan, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
having looked at the togs folio and the models work, It would be narrow minded of me to assume the tog investigated either if she was 18 and or if the shots he took of her fall into what is deemed acceptable underage photography.
Having read and re-read her response to me, i am going to assume that she did not tell the tog she was under 18. Damn fucking shame, what a bitch of a way to take a fall. I've gotten drivers license (or the equivalent) from every model who posed nude except one who's 38. If there's any doubt, why would he take her word for it.?
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CastanerFoto -aka- GRS
Posts: 533
Littleton, Massachusetts, US
Brian T Rickey wrote:
Whether legal or not, who wants to look at or take photos of an underage girls body or defend the photographers who do it?
edit - I just remembered there is a famous female photographer who has drawn a lot of fire for publishing a book of her kids, two girls and one boy I think, when they were really young. They are sometimes nude. Naturalist who live in nude comunuties and go on nude camping vacation that are legal in the US ... they take pictures of their kids playing naked and having fun as we do with our kids when they are clothed ... Nude is not SEX!
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Aaron Pawlak
Posts: 2850
New York, New York, US
urbanglamouruk wrote:
Doug tell me you are not serious.
In the 1999 American movie "American Beauty", (Oscar winning as best picture !),
17 year old (or still 16 when filming?) Thora Birch appeared topless.
There was no scandal.
It's all a gray area, what you can be prosecuted for. I would absolutely not show under 18 nude photos either as a model or photographer if it was me. Model Mayhem themselves could actually be prosecuted for child pornography over this. Why MM allows nudes without 2257 records, I don't know. I think in the future, MM will have to not allow nudes to protect their asses.
Speaking of asses, look at the photos in my port.
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