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Model
Kimberly Sun
Posts: 44
Sacramento, California, US
My little 17 year old sister has started posing nude. She says she's not lying about her age to her affiliates, but she lies on her profile. I'm confused about what to do. I am concerned about her safety, future (as a model) and the careers of the people she works with.
No one including the parents have any control whatsoever over her. She turns 18 in November.
Should I contact authorities? Should I contact the photog(s) and inform them that she is currently 17?
Model
Matus
Posts: 519
Tustin, California, US
so what ???
Good for her !
Photographer
rustphoto
Posts: 349
Kennewick, Washington, US
As per hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts here on MM, posing nude is not illegal for her, nor the photographer. Granted, she can't enter into a contract (not 18), so I don't think the images are usable in anything but a personal portfolio.
Photographer
glenn my name today
Posts: 1025
Lancaster, California, US
case for the FBI.
you might even be able to get a reward for turning in this dangerous criminal.
but i bet it will be mighty cool around the thanksgiving table in a few months.
Model
Frances Jewel
Posts: 9149
Dayton, Ohio, US
Matus wrote:
so what ???
Good for her ! She may get the Photographers in a world of trouble.......I would contact the photogs....they can decide what they want to do from there. does she have an MM profile? CAM it. Other than that I don't know what to tell ya hun.
Photographer
JRProductions
Posts: 407
Richmond Hill, New York, US
Matus wrote:
so what ???
Good for her ! Sorry but I have to agree here.
Photographer
Mgaphoto
Posts: 4982
San Diego, California, US
glenn my name today wrote:
case for the FBI.
you might even be able to get a reward for turning in this dangerous criminal.
but i bet it will be mighty cool around the thanksgiving table in a few months. you cant be serious? lol.. call the president too!
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Model
Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
glenn my name today wrote:
case for the FBI.
you might even be able to get a reward for turning in this dangerous criminal.
but i bet it will be mighty cool around the thanksgiving table in a few months. Sarcasm?
Retoucher
Midas Post-production
Posts: 1258
London, England, United Kingdom
it all depends on the nature of the photographs.
Have you seen the work?
is it sexual?
if your worried for her safety but wont stop shooting nudes, then go as an escort with her, or just make sure she is safe.
xx
Photographer
Kenzphotos
Posts: 1868
Anaheim, California, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
My little 17 year old sister has started posing nude. She says she's not lying about her age to her affiliates, but she lies on her profile. I'm confused about what to do. I am concerned about her safety, future (as a model) and the careers of the people she works with.
No one including the parents have any control whatsoever over her. She turns 18 in November.
Should I contact authorities? Should I contact the photog(s) and inform them that she is currently 17? Why don't you ask "Kimberly" to talk further with her sister about it.
While you are at it...
Ask; Why did "Kimberly" write her main profile in the 'third person'?
Just wondering...
Model
LaViolette
Posts: 9865
Hollywood, Florida, US
ZOMG! Its a national emergency.  But srsly tho, its not illegal for a minor to pose nude. As long as she is upfront with the people she works about it its not any of our business.
Model
Kimberly Sun
Posts: 44
Sacramento, California, US
TheEighthSin wrote:
it all depends on the nature of the photographs.
Have you seen the work?
is it sexual?
if your worried for her safety but wont stop shooting nudes, then go as an escort with her, or just make sure she is safe.
xx she and I are in different states of the U.S.(where it is illegal for an adult to take nude photos of a minor). yes I would say it is definitely sexual
Photographer
Soft Shadows Art Photo
Posts: 705
Phoenix, Arizona, US
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing and can still be considered child pornography.
If you know the photographer(s), I suggest you warn them...as for your sister, tell her to wait a few more months and she can do anything she wants when she hits 18.
Photographer
michaelsdigitalimaging
Posts: 216
Boulder, Colorado, US
Please contact the photographers. They can do up to 15 years for each picture taken even if they had copies of ID's and a signed contract!
Photographer
Stephen Fletcher
Posts: 7501
Norman, Oklahoma, US
Scary-Ellen wrote:
She may get the Photographers in a world of trouble.......I would contact the photogs....they can decide what they want to do from there. does she have an MM profile? CAM it. Other than that I don't know what to tell ya hun. I would agree with this. The Photographers are the ones at risk here.
Photographer
ThisYearsModel
Posts: 351
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
My little 17 year old sister has started posing nude. She says she's not lying about her age to her affiliates, but she lies on her profile. what do you mean by 'her affiliates'?
the photographers she's shooting underage nudes with deserve what ever they get - unless she's using forged or fake ID and deceiving them.
shooting nudes with an under 18 year old model isn't necessarily illegal but it sure can be.
Model
Frances Jewel
Posts: 9149
Dayton, Ohio, US
Kenzphotos wrote:
Why don't you ask "Kimberly" to talk further with her sister about it.
While you are at it...
Ask; Why did "Kimberly" write her main profile in the 'third person'?
Just wondering... lol! ya I noticed that....I also noticed that she is a managed model......I thought managed models were not allowed? *sorry for the threadjack*
Model
Kimberly Sun
Posts: 44
Sacramento, California, US
Soft Shadows Art Photo wrote:
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing and can still be considered child pornography.
If you know the photographer(s), I suggest you warn them...as for your sister, tell her to wait a few more months and she can do anything she wants when she hits 18. THANK YOU. Someone else has a fully functioning brain in here.
Photographer
speedsamurai
Posts: 2
Fullerton, California, US
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me.
Model
Kimberly Sun
Posts: 44
Sacramento, California, US
michaelsdigitalimaging wrote:
Please contact the photographers. They can do up to 15 years for each picture taken even if they had copies of ID's and a signed contract! thanks that helps a lot. That's exactly what I needed to know
Photographer
Kenzphotos
Posts: 1868
Anaheim, California, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
she and I are in different states of the U.S.(where it is illegal for an adult to take nude photos of a minor). yes I would say it is definitely sexual From what you are saying; it appears that you should DO something. Exactly what, I am in no position to offer advice on. However, I'm sure that you love your sister and wish her no harm. So, with that said, it is time for you to react in her 'best interest' and also the best interest for those that she shoots adult style nudes with - before somebody goes to jail!!!
Photographer
Marcus Evans
Posts: 153
Austin, Texas, US
rustphoto wrote:
As per hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts here on MM, posing nude is not illegal for her, nor the photographer. Granted, she can't enter into a contract (not 18), so I don't think the images are usable in anything but a personal portfolio. not in Texas. Don't know about other states. Not to mention if it's explicit, there is a title 18 violation subject to community standards where it is viewed (Federal)
Photographer
Fotographic Aspirations
Posts: 1966
Long Beach, California, US
Think about the long term relationship with your sister first. Given her close to 18 year old status to what good will it be to stir the pot at this point ? Sounds like she has a case of the wilds.
Tell her how you feel and advise her to act in a safe manor. Past that take a deep breath, move on with life.
Photographer
Mike Kelcher
Posts: 13322
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Soft Shadows Art Photo wrote:
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing ...." With all due respect, you are 100% wrong about it being illegal in the US.
Model
Kristen Jeanne
Posts: 5770
Pinardville, New Hampshire, US
speedsamurai wrote:
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me. Under what law?
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
Soft Shadows Art Photo wrote:
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing and can still be considered child pornography. Can you please cite the law that states that? Thanks.
Photographer
Xeris - Dwight
Posts: 4369
Austin, Texas, US
Scary-Ellen wrote:
She may get the Photographers in a world of trouble Why? Do you have some proof or reason to believe that the images are porno or sexually suggestive. Nudity, in and of itself, is NOT illegal. There need to be other factors involved.
Photographer
Mike Kelcher
Posts: 13322
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
speedsamurai wrote:
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me. Since you are a prosecutor, perhaps you could define "pornography". It's my understanding that the US Supreme Court tried and failed in their attempt to do so.
Photographer
Benjamen McGuire
Posts: 3991
Portland, Oregon, US
For certain things there is a legal line in the sand that should not be pushed. Legal issues asside, I don't think 3 months will make a huge difference to her personally. Somebody may be breaking the law but other than that I see no harm.
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
My little 17 year old sister has started posing nude. She says she's not lying about her age to her affiliates, but she lies on her profile. I'm confused about what to do. I am concerned about her safety, future (as a model) and the careers of the people she works with.
No one including the parents have any control whatsoever over her. She turns 18 in November.
Should I contact authorities? Should I contact the photog(s) and inform them that she is currently 17? Beyond telling your parents or site management (of a possible case of fraud...your sister is not perportating to be the age she says she is), I really don't see it being any of your business.
Look at it from the receivers end. You don't know each other. For all they know, they can easily view you as a person looking to create unnecessary drama. Lord knows there's no shortage of those kinds of people in this world.
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Soft Shadows Art Photo wrote:
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing and can still be considered child pornography. Brian Diaz wrote:
Can you please cite the law that states that? Thanks. This one too, please.
speedsamurai wrote:
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me. Sounds like so called experts who actually know nothing about the facts.
Isn't giving wrong info in an industry thread a wrist slapper?
Model
Kimberly Sun
Posts: 44
Sacramento, California, US
For the record, the picture was posted on her MM, making it public (rather than in a private collection of her, the photographer and the other models).
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
speedsamurai wrote:
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me. No, you're not. Frankly, and without reservation, I flat-out don't believe you. Yes, I'm calling you a liar.
Please back-up your claim and I will gladly apologize.
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Cspine wrote:
For certain things there is a legal line in the sand that should not be pushed. Legal issues asside, I don't think 3 months will make a huge difference to her personally. She may be breaking the law but other than that I see no harm. SHE is not breaking any law.
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
Posts: 5105
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
My little 17 year old sister has started posing nude. She says she's not lying about her age to her affiliates, but she lies on her profile. I'm confused about what to do. I am concerned about her safety, future (as a model) and the careers of the people she works with.
No one including the parents have any control whatsoever over her. She turns 18 in November.
Should I contact authorities? Should I contact the photog(s) and inform them that she is currently 17? I call bullshit. Why say "the parents" instead of OUR parents. And what 17 yr old has affiliates?
Photographer
Xeris - Dwight
Posts: 4369
Austin, Texas, US
speedsamurai wrote:
I am a prosecutor. It's illegal because it is legally defined as child porn. Contact me. Please post a link to the relevant law that states that nudity, in and of itself, is illegal for a minor and exactly which state this is true in. I hope that I do not turn blue waiting for your link.
Photographer
Michael Kountz
Posts: 2932
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US
Sophistocles wrote:
No, you're not. Frankly, and without reservation, I flat-out don't believe you. Yes, I'm calling you a liar. Awesome. I stumbled across this one and was just about to suggest that someone go and drag you in here.
Photographer
Xeris - Dwight
Posts: 4369
Austin, Texas, US
Kimberly Sun wrote:
For the record, the picture was posted on her MM, making it public (rather than in a private collection of her, the photographer and the other models). Please post a link to this pornography.
Photographer
American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
Soft Shadows Art Photo wrote:
A minor is defined by any person under the age of 18....In this country it is ILLEGAL to photograph a minor nude without consent from the minors parent or guardian in writing and can still be considered child pornography. Brian Diaz wrote:
Can you please cite the law that states that? Thanks. Brian, we both know that they can't cite a law. Lewd photographs of minors are illegal in some states (which I grant you is subjective), photos of real or simulated sex is illegal in all states with a minor as is a lascivious display of the genitals (nude or not). That is covered in Federal law, 18 USC 2256. Many states use the same language.
Beyond that, most of what is being said in this thread is just made up!
Having said that, it is NOT SMART to take photos of a minor in the nude, but being stupid doesn't necessarily make it illegal. I really wish we would stop with these threads.
If it were me, I would sit down and have a conversation with my sister, or if necessary, my parents. Your sister isn't going to get arrested, but, depending on what the photographers are shooting, the photos could possibly be illegal.
But, to be honest, I have no sympathy for them. They should be checking her ID. If they are not, and your sister does something that is illegal for them to shoot, it is their problem. They have no business shooting a model nude without checking ID. Talk to your sister or talk to your parents. The photographers are adults. They should behave properly or they deserve the consequences.
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Xeris - Dwight wrote:
Please post a link to this pornography. In the OP's defense, she never said it was pornography.
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