SE3Photo wrote:
I hope this in the right section, but I just have a quick question.

I am planning a shoot with cars and models and it has been suggested that some of the pictures might be involving bikini's, thats not the problem, the problem is that one model has approached me to take part is 17.  As I am new to all this is that ok here in the UK? or is it frowned upon?


Phil

There is nothing inappropriate about a 17 year old in a bikini unless you want to make it inappropriate. Is it surprising that minors go to the beach and when they are at the beach, they sometimes wear bikinis and God forbid, they sometimes take pictures?

Let the fear mongering begin.

PYPI FASHION wrote:
There is nothing inappropriate about a 17 year old in a bikini unless you want to make it inappropriate. Is it surprising that minors go to the beach and when they are at the beach, they sometimes wear bikinis and God forbid, they sometimes take pictures?

Let the fear mongering begin.

Exactly.  A bikini shot with a car isn't inappropriate by any means.  Now if you plan on having her stuff her hand down her shorts.. then you're in for a bigger problem.

I'll shoot a 17 year old in a bikini, although I do require release/usage documentation to be signed and here in Canada.. that means she needs to bring a parent/legal guardian/or emancipation record.  Other than that.. clicky clicky.

-PKD

Malloch wrote:
In the UK there is nothing illegal about photographing a model in a bikini who is 17. It may be the pose that could be deemed to be unacceptable if it could be interpreted as being overly sexual in its execution. Who decides on that is still a matter that is left up to judge and jury if someone complains.

The age of consent in the UK is 16 although even this has some rather fuzzy aspects to it.
Personally I would use only model 18 and over for this style of shoot.

that's true, although the age for doing any sort of topless, implied (i think) and obviously nude is 18. it's not illegal but i personally wouldn't risk it.

SE3Photo wrote:
yeah just as I thought, a legal mine field.  Think I will do as suggested and turn down her kind offer for the shoot.  Cant afford to be in court on some stupid charges with my job!

Cheers for the very fast replies



Phil

You worry too much. Two minors on a beach wearing a bikini top. I'm not in court or prison.

Mythically Made-up wrote:
There's a difference between kids taking pictures of each other at the beach and a photoshoot-

What is the difference?

Mythically Made-up wrote:
what is the intent of using the model in the shot? Is it being published?

Why does it matter? How do you think images in Teen magazines and clothing catalogs for teens get made?

Mythically Made-up wrote:
A home beach picture on someone's private wall, computer, album or even facebook is far less likely to attract attention. I wouldn't describe it as fear mongering but rather as playing it safe as a reputation once tarnished is hard to make clean again.

I also find using models under 18 in underwear or revealing clothes to be a little distasteful, regardless of the law.

Don't shoot teens masturbating and you won't have to worry about a tarnished reputation.

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Mythically Made-up wrote:
Hi,

I don't know about the UK but here in Aust (which has a lot of the same common Law basis) it's a legal grey area, it could be fine, or considered child pronography depending on the pose and what a court would decide. If I were you I'd just tell them they're too young and to come back when they are 18. The whole thing about women in Bikini's around cars is that it's mean't to be sexually provocative- throw a 17 year old child into that and it's a bit icky, I think.

Hello Bill Henson anyone? No Charges laid nor was their a conviction. Nor was Henson censored. Models were underage in full frontal nudity.

Russh Australia had a 16 year old model topless in a scene that showed her to have been drinking and partaking in nefarious activities. No charges laid or anyone convicted.

Australia probably has the most liberal laws in the world when it comes to photographing people. However thanks to Bill Henson the Australian Arts Council will not fund any of you're work or assist in getting you're work exhibited in any government owned gallery.

This is not to say you will not get unwanted attention by the police and Hetty Johnson though.

The other thing. I'm a Fine Arts student. All this crap since Henson now means we have to attend a lecture on what is allowed and what is not allowed. And short of full on pornography basically anything is still permissible by law.

SE3Photo wrote:
yeah just as I thought, a legal mine field.  Think I will do as suggested and turn down her kind offer for the shoot.  Cant afford to be in court on some stupid charges with my job!

Cheers for the very fast replies



Phil

Silly! Ever looked at the cover of Sweet 16?, how about JC Penny's catalog.
Anyone that's afraid of a bikini on a minor, makes me think those are the pervs that can't trust themselves!

Rebel Photo wrote:

Silly! Ever looked at the cover of Sweet 16?, how about JC Penny's catalog.
Anyone that's afraid of a bikini on a minor, makes me think those are the pervs that can't trust themselves!

Lets just say a member of my close family has been WRONGLY accused of something and despite nothing coming of it, it nearly ruined his life.  So excuse me if I dont want to be in the same boat.

I actually take offence to that!  and feeli it's un called for.