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Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

There are obviously pros and cons to using DIY lighting setups. One pro would be cost, but one con would be quality.

So, for anyone who uses or has used DIY lighting, what were the reasons you did so and what drawbacks did you notice that could have been alleviated with just buying the proper equipment?

For me the pros are:

1. Cost.
2. Unique lighting.
3. I learn a lot about lighting by experimenting with DIY.

Cons:

1. Quality of light.
2. Unexpected results sometimes.
3. Time needed to set up, experiment, and adjust.
4. May not be adaptable for different needs.

Jan 22 10 08:34 am Link

Photographer

El Mercurio

Posts: 1784

Houston, Texas, US

I also use DIY lighting. Durability can also be an issue. I can't always make things as tough as factory made/molded/welded/formed. Even if I do Tonka Tough, it can be a little heavy.

Jan 22 10 08:39 am Link

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PashaPhoto

Posts: 9726

Brooklyn, New York, US

an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

Jan 22 10 08:46 am Link

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Simon Jackson

Posts: 118

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

I'm sceptical about "quality of light" being THAT much of a con. The physics of light is pretty well documented and easy to understand. There's no cutting-edge material science in the stuff your reflector or softbox is lined with.

I'm assuming we're talking about modifiers though. Does anyone DIY their own strobes?

EDIT: that answers my question big_smile

Jan 22 10 08:48 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

pros:
never having to justify an expense to a gf, kids or parents
fun to make things work
able to build things that work for "ME" perfectly, not just what would appeal to a broad audience most of the time
ability to have different setups for here and location without having to buy something that's a compromise on power/weight/flexibility/transportability/etc.
more money left over to buy things that are necessary and not having to worry about a purchase today impacting a mortgage payment in a few months
you can make it any colour you want tongue
what else would you do with all those straws you got at 49 cents a box in all those colours?  throw a party and get people to drink too much expensive alcohol?


cons:
some things are not suitable for DIY because the components cost so much or require you to be a professional electrical engineer
haven't found any others yet

Jan 22 10 08:50 am Link

Photographer

Finearts Photography

Posts: 699

Cleveland, Ohio, US

1. Quality of light.

Strongly disagree with this. Quality is from the photographer knowing his equipment.

2. Unexpected results sometimes.

Yes, Good thing I have a digital camera so I know if I'm shooting crap.
Fix it or move onto something else.

3. Time needed to set up, experiment, and adjust.

Building yes setup no. Building and Inventing things is fun too.
I spent 4 hours setting up a shot of a box of cereal with pro equipment.

4. May not be adaptable for different needs.

generic is boring.

you can buy a pro reflector for $40.00 or get the equivalent at Home Depot or a thrift store for 1/10 the price.  Worth trying.

I have a plan to build my own ring light and then try it out on some TFCD shoots.

Jan 22 10 08:54 am Link

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El Mercurio

Posts: 1784

Houston, Texas, US

PashaPhoto wrote:
an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

16?! Woah! I only have 11.
https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090606/08/4a2a8e7ae96e0_m.jpg

Jan 22 10 08:56 am Link

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Know Idea

Posts: 3000

Los Angeles, California, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
Cons:

1. Quality of light.
2. Unexpected results sometimes.
3. Time needed to set up, experiment, and adjust.
4. May not be adaptable for different needs.

To me, these are also often times the pro arguments.

Jan 22 10 08:57 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Joshua Mercurio Drapehs wrote:

16?! Woah! I only have 11.
https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090606/08/4a2a8e7ae96e0_m.jpg

looking into the eyes I am reminded of an Audi with its daylight running lights on.
http://www.fourtitude.com/news/uploads/ … 00_003.jpg

Jan 22 10 09:01 am Link

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Rick Dupuis Photography

Posts: 6825

Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada

PashaPhoto wrote:
https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

That is awesome.... but total awesomeness would be showing us a photo of the light too

/hint

Jan 22 10 09:02 am Link

Photographer

PashaPhoto

Posts: 9726

Brooklyn, New York, US

Rick Dupuis Photography wrote:

That is awesome.... but total awesomeness would be showing us a photo of the light too

/hint

sadly i don't have any shots of the ring itself... but the guy who owns my studio has workshops every two weeks, and like 20-30 people at each one, so there's a boatload of pictures from the ring and of the ring floating around mm...

on a quick search i found this one, but i know i've seen more... will post more pics when i find them...

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100114/10/4b4f5dac72569_m.jpg

Jan 22 10 09:12 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

PashaPhoto wrote:
an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

Check out Adorama!  They have lower cost lighting under their brand.  I have seen some using CF lights recently.

Jan 22 10 09:40 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

PashaPhoto wrote:
an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

Awesome!!!!!!

I have a bunch of THESE that I put into various configurations. I'm also an electrician so I have fun playing with different things. Adorama has their own version of this strobe for under $20 each. They go into a normal light socket so finding parts for them is simple. Something else I do with them is put in one of those socket/outlet adapters with the strobe and plug a nightlight into the outlet for a simple modeling light.

I just got myself some track lighting kits and some fabrics last night that I'm going to try to turn into a massive softbox (8ftx8ft). I'm also thinking of mounting a ring of them on the ceiling shooting through some diffuser material to surround the subject 360 degrees.

I'm now also working on a PLC interface with some LED lighting stuff for "light painting" in different colors and programmable designs.

Jan 22 10 09:42 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Simon Jackson wrote:
I'm sceptical about "quality of light" being THAT much of a con. The physics of light is pretty well documented and easy to understand. There's no cutting-edge material science in the stuff your reflector or softbox is lined with.

I'm assuming we're talking about modifiers though. Does anyone DIY their own strobes?

EDIT: that answers my question big_smile

The "quality" isn't really such a huge con, it's just one I've noticed as far as color balancing between main and fill light sometimes. It depends on what you're using, though. For awhile I was using a couple strobes for the main and continuous halogen for fill. The temps don't quite match up so there's a color cast in shadow areas.

Jan 22 10 09:46 am Link

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Finearts Photography

Posts: 699

Cleveland, Ohio, US

I have a bunch of THESE that I put into various configurations. I'm also an electrician so I have fun playing with different things. Adorama has their own version of this strobe for under $20 each. They go into a normal light socket so finding parts for them is simple. Something else I do with them is put in one of those socket/outlet adapters with the strobe and plug a nightlight into the outlet for a simple modeling light.

I just got myself some track lighting kits and some fabrics last night that I'm going to try to turn into a massive softbox (8ftx8ft). I'm also thinking of mounting a ring of them on the ceiling shooting through some diffuser material to surround the subject 360 degrees.

I'm now also working on a PLC interface with some LED lighting stuff for "light painting" in different colors and programmable designs.

Very Cool.
Weather it is creating pictures or creating photo gear.
It's all fun. This is doable. You don't need to be an Electrical Engineer to wire a few light sockets together.

Jan 22 10 09:49 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Know Idea wrote:

To me, these are also often times the pro arguments.

I can agree with that. Especially the unexpected results. I cut the bottom off a Pringles can and as luck would have it, it fits perfectly over one of those strobes I mentioned above for a snoot. Aimed right at the back of my niece's head and put a strobe/umbrella on either side in front of her. I liked the results.

Straight from camera...

https://www.model-citizens.com/Kim/100107/Kim_100107_0083.jpg

Jan 22 10 10:09 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Finearts Photography wrote:
Very Cool.
Weather it is creating pictures or creating photo gear.
It's all fun. This is doable. You don't need to be an Electrical Engineer to wire a few light sockets together.

Agree 100%. Some people get a bit intimidated by the wiring part, but most people should have no problem.

For me, it's all about the fun and learning right now. big_smile

Jan 22 10 10:15 am Link

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MartinImages

Posts: 3872

Los Angeles, California, US

PashaPhoto wrote:
an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

That's a beauutiful look.  Nicely done.  smile

B

Jan 22 10 10:21 am Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Homemade or not, the results are what counts - these are all really good shots.

Jan 22 10 10:27 am Link

Photographer

Aleister Blacke

Posts: 840

South Bend, Indiana, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
There are obviously pros and cons to using DIY lighting setups. One pro would be cost, but one con would be quality.

So, for anyone who uses or has used DIY lighting, what were the reasons you did so and what drawbacks did you notice that could have been alleviated with just buying the proper equipment?

For me the pros are:

1. Cost.
2. Unique lighting.
3. I learn a lot about lighting by experimenting with DIY.

Cons:

1. Quality of light.
2. Unexpected results sometimes.
3. Time needed to set up, experiment, and adjust.
4. May not be adaptable for different needs.

Pros:

1.  Cost.
2.  Compact size.
3.  Different lighting style.

Cons:

1.  Burst into flames during a shoot.
2.  Got too hot due to small size.
3.  Couldn't mount gobos, gels, or barn door on them.

Did I mention the bursting into flames part?

Jan 22 10 10:32 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

Finearts Photography wrote:
1. Quality of light.

Strongly disagree with this. Quality is from the photographer knowing his equipment.

I can't say I agree with this line of logic. A photographer who knows 100% about crappy light is still going to have a "quality of light issue".
Photographers seek the "magic hour" in which to capture high quality light. Artists have always sought out north facing windows for the quality of light it yields.
Knowledge is good, great light, priceless.

Jan 22 10 10:34 am Link

Photographer

Roy Whiddon

Posts: 1666

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I have mounted fluorescent fixtures (4' tubes) on stands to be able to mix continuous light or blacklight with studio flash. I use this with a slow shutter speed for effects like these (all 18+):

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=16061294
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=15186021
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=14809854

Jan 22 10 10:39 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Aleister Blacke wrote:

Pros:

1.  Cost.
2.  Compact size.
3.  Different lighting style.

Cons:

1.  Burst into flames during a shoot.
2.  Got too hot due to small size.
3.  Couldn't mount gobos, gels, or barn door on them.

Did I mention the bursting into flames part?

So you're saying a con would be that you have to have a fire extinguisher on hand at your shoots? big_smile

Jan 22 10 10:39 am Link

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Aleister Blacke

Posts: 840

South Bend, Indiana, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

So you're saying a con would be that you have to have a fire extinguisher on hand at your shoots? big_smile

The model DID have a thing for men in uniforms.  Maybe I should of had the fire department standing by.  I think she wouldn't of objected!

Jan 22 10 10:41 am Link

Photographer

Roy Whiddon

Posts: 1666

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Aleister Blacke wrote:
Cons:

1.  Burst into flames during a shoot.
2.  Got too hot due to small size.
3.  Couldn't mount gobos, gels, or barn door on them.

Did I mention the bursting into flames part?

Did this actually happen to you? Hot lights with inadequate ventilation?

Jan 22 10 10:43 am Link

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Howard Search

Posts: 265

Brunswick, Maine, US

I use ancient Novatron strobes and homemade soft box, reflectors, scrims, whatever. If it can be made from Home Depot or the WalMart craft aisle, I'm on it!

Pros: I have a ball building this stuff
           I save a bunch of money (so I can buy a carbon fibre tripod and ball)
              I get really good results.

Cons:  Alien Bees doesn't have a direct tap into my checking account.

smile

Jan 22 10 10:47 am Link

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Jeff Cohn

Posts: 3850

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I started and spent the better part of my early years with DIY lighting, into Hotlights into cheap strobes, into AB. I Like the way it taught me to learn the lights and experiment. I would recommend it to others, however I also realized the limitations I had been getting comfortable working with once I had AB's and opened doors that previously didn't exist. While it's great to force yourself to be creative in situations where you lack the ability to totally dominate the environment, it's also good to see what you're capable of and how much more you can grow once you can control every aspect.

DIY makes great training wheels, but don't be afraid to learn how to really ride the bike either.

Jan 22 10 10:50 am Link

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Aleister Blacke

Posts: 840

South Bend, Indiana, US

RW Photo Art wrote:

Did this actually happen to you? Hot lights with inadequate ventilation?

I actually had this happen.  I forget where I got the info on how to make the light, but I did, and it worked up to the point of bursting into flames.  It's possible now that I think of it that I was using too high of a watt bulb in it.

Model:  "Is that light supposed to be smoking?"

Me: "Huh?"

Turned to look just as it burst into flames.  Luckily, I am safety aware, and always have a fire extinguisher handy.

Jan 22 10 10:50 am Link

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Simon Jackson

Posts: 118

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
The "quality" isn't really such a huge con, it's just one I've noticed as far as color balancing between main and fill light sometimes. It depends on what you're using, though. For awhile I was using a couple strobes for the main and continuous halogen for fill. The temps don't quite match up so there's a color cast in shadow areas.

Yeah good point. I have this issue with one of my softboxes. It seems to be slightly warmer than the rest!

Jan 22 10 11:46 am Link

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255 West

Posts: 6468

New York, New York, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
There are obviously pros and cons to using DIY lighting
Cons:
1.  BURST INTO FLAMES DURING A SHOOT.
2.  Got too hot due to small size.
3.  Couldn't mount gobos, gels, or barn door on them.

Did I mention the bursting into flames part?

FLAMES for DYI? Possibly. If you want to be consistently assured of flames, I recommend Balcar. I've always (the word is ALWAYS) had the reassuring consistency of buzzing, clicking, snapping .... and actually exploding into flames with BALCAR strobes.
NEVER F*#^$%G fails ... Now THAT'S reliability!

Jan 22 10 12:11 pm Link

Photographer

Shane Noir

Posts: 2332

Los Angeles, California, US

PashaPhoto wrote:
an electrician full time, photographer part time friend of the studio built this insanely awesome giant ringlight... 4 feet in diameter, it has 16 bulbs and is a very cool gadget to shoot with...

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090301/21/49ab747171094.jpg

the con is the quality of light... if you turn the model straight into the camera, the lights will blast any details off her nose, so you can only shoot in certain poses... plus, since this is an "on the budget" diy project (most of them are:) ) the ring uses low power cf fluorescent bulbs, or it will burn out... these don't exactly give off the best light to begin with, though we're looking into more daylight balanced versions...

the obvious pro here is that this is an incredibly unique light, and is not something you can just grab from B&H... smile

I think I'm in love.

Jan 22 10 12:15 pm Link