Forums > Photography Talk > Ring Flash...Cheapo or Canon Brand. Any Big Diff??

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J Bennett Photography

Posts: 1270

Paramus, New Jersey, US

Im looking into a Ring Flash, Ive seen many of the Pheonix brand around
for about $79.00  Doeas anyone here have any real world experience
with this item? 

Is there any good reason to spend $464 for the canon MR-14EX ??
Whats your experiences been?

Jul 03 06 11:30 am Link

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J Bennett Photography

Posts: 1270

Paramus, New Jersey, US

bump

Jul 03 06 11:38 am Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Rent both and find out for yourself

It takes longer than 8 minutes to get a reply typically...please don't bump your posts.

Jul 03 06 11:42 am Link

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J Bennett Photography

Posts: 1270

Paramus, New Jersey, US

Thanks for you valuable input james

Jul 03 06 11:46 am Link

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J Bennett Photography

Posts: 1270

Paramus, New Jersey, US

Thanks for you valuable input james

Jul 03 06 11:47 am Link

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TestShoot

Posts: 1113

Beverly Hills, California, US

Those are only good for close-up work. I had owned noth and the original ml-14 ringflash. Don't expect you'll be shooting people and getting that halo characteristic of ringflashes in fashion or glamor photography. The pheonix one is not that spectacular, and feels cheap, but this is a case with a super cheapo unit can do the job.

Jul 03 06 11:54 am Link

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dissolvegirl

Posts: 297

Northampton, Massachusetts, US

I got a Phoenix ringflash and they seem like they're made for film SLRs, not DSLRs. I say this because I could not, for the life of me, get it to fire with my digital, and when I posted on another site asking what I did wrong, they said "you got a crappy flash which only works with SLRs, and even then, not that well."

Jul 03 06 11:56 am Link

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Zulufoto

Posts: 101

Chicago, Illinois, US

Are there any decent strobes with a ring light?   I've only seen profoto but that's out of my price range.

Jul 03 06 11:58 am Link

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J Bennett Photography

Posts: 1270

Paramus, New Jersey, US

dissolvegirl wrote:
I got a Phoenix ringflash and they seem like they're made for film SLRs, not DSLRs. I say this because I could not, for the life of me, get it to fire with my digital, and when I posted on another site asking what I did wrong, they said "you got a crappy flash which only works with SLRs, and even then, not that well."

What digital SLR camera are you using?

Jul 03 06 12:07 pm Link

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TestShoot

Posts: 1113

Beverly Hills, California, US

hensel and balcar have ring units, also expesive. i love my profoto unit tho

hensel makes a battery powered unit

Jul 03 06 12:07 pm Link

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Jean-Philippe

Posts: 397

Austin, Texas, US

TestShoot wrote:
hensel and balcar have ring units, also expesive. i love my profoto unit tho

hensel makes a battery powered unit

Have my profoto ordered ... on its way. Cannot wait to have it.
Love the light: https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … d1dd86a6de

Jul 03 06 12:18 pm Link

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Zulufoto

Posts: 101

Chicago, Illinois, US

How much does that kind of profoto rig cost?   I assume you need to pick up a power pack, the ringflash, etc..

Jul 03 06 12:31 pm Link

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David Velez

Posts: 626

New York, New York, US

I use the on camera TTL Sigma. It works OK. Have to figure out the best working distances from your models as well as best lens. I prefer it to having shadows on the faces.

Jul 03 06 12:48 pm Link

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christian severin

Posts: 2

San Francisco, California, US

The cheaper ones ussually have only two bulbs (left and right) the higher end ones like the Canon have four. Weather this will effect your shooting is up to testing.

Jul 03 06 01:00 pm Link

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Luis Aragon

Posts: 811

Washington, District of Columbia, US

you can use the macro ringlights for fashion. eric s has used the sunpak version for years. his stuff looks great. i used the canon version this weekend and it was awesome.

https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060702/20/44a8747c58840.jpg

Jul 03 06 04:16 pm Link

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Jean-Philippe

Posts: 397

Austin, Texas, US

Zulufoto wrote:
How much does that kind of profoto rig cost?   I assume you need to pick up a power pack, the ringflash, etc..

You need a pack with it. Profoto is not cheap (Look it up on adorama or b&h) but it gives you color acuracy and enough light intensity.

Jul 03 06 05:05 pm Link

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former_mm_user

Posts: 5521

New York, New York, US

the sunpak dx-12r (not the 8r) is the best game in town for the portable ones.  a few images in my port were shot with it.  it has plenty of power and even has a modeling light.

Jul 03 06 05:23 pm Link

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Craig A McKenzie

Posts: 1767

Marine City, Michigan, US

dissolvegirl wrote:
I got a Phoenix ringflash and they seem like they're made for film SLRs, not DSLRs. I say this because I could not, for the life of me, get it to fire with my digital, and when I posted on another site asking what I did wrong, they said "you got a crappy flash which only works with SLRs, and even then, not that well."

You are right on that...I have a Canon 20D and it takes about 5 min to seat the flash so it will fire properly...and when it does it has a very limited range...I have fiddled with it multiple times only to find out the max usable range is maybe 6 feet. It works great for ebay listings and small crap, but other than that-its useless and takes up space and batteries.

Save your $78 for the Sunpak
(your gonna need it for the flash seat/camera adapter unit).


I am just about ready to make the plunge...
I just havent had the time to order it from B&H--waiting for a big order .

Jul 03 06 05:29 pm Link

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Zulufoto

Posts: 101

Chicago, Illinois, US

Jean-Philippe Martin wrote:

You need a pack with it. Profoto is not cheap (Look it up on adorama or b&h) but it gives you color acuracy and enough light intensity.

Is it possible to get similar results with regular strobes if you bounce them directly into a  gold reflector?    (like a zipdisc)

Jul 04 06 02:30 am Link

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Jean-Philippe

Posts: 397

Austin, Texas, US

Zulufoto wrote:
Is it possible to get similar results with regular strobes if you bounce them directly into a  gold reflector?    (like a zipdisc)

The light would be reflected therefore different than straight out from the strobe. You might manage to create a similar circular light source with a few tricks.
Remember that one of the inherent advantage of the ring flash is that you can shoot thru it.

Jul 04 06 02:38 am Link

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J C ModeFotografie

Posts: 14718

Los Angeles, California, US

Christopher Bush wrote:
the sunpak dx-12r (not the 8r) is the best game in town for the portable ones.  a few images in my port were shot with it.  it has plenty of power and even has a modeling light.

Absolutely - I love my Sunpak DX12r and am adding on more modules so that I can use it with my Canon Elan 7E, my Bronica ETRSi, my Calumet Cadet 4x5" view camera and the Bronica 6x7 I am planning to add to my battery of cameras.  Good power for the price (less than $500 including one module).

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Jul 04 06 02:56 am Link

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Chip Willis

Posts: 1780

Columbus, Georgia, US

the Canon works great.

The advantages are not so apparent- the ability to be master for 580EX strobes. This is great for location work.
Also, high speed sync ability.

I used to have a Sunpak Dx12R long ago, and the canon is much better.
here is an image with the MR14 as main, and 580Ex as slave TTL.
https://www.chipwillis.com/images/April3468.jpg
Chip

Jul 04 06 11:13 am Link

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Kris Perry Photography

Posts: 872

Placentia, California, US

I like profoto, but i just rent it. It's just to much money to purchase..

Jul 04 06 11:22 am Link

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Thomas Martin

Posts: 3

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

I use a Elinchrom ringflash and ranger pack, it's cheaper than profoto but found it very reliable. You can use the light like a regular strobe (place on stand away from camera), with some adapters from Manfrotto you can attach a brolly in front or bounce it. Down side is it's bigger and heavier than the tradional small ringflashes.

I find the small ringflashes slow to recharge for me and the auto settings can be erratic, which can be problem photographing people.

Jul 04 06 12:50 pm Link

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Rich Meade

Posts: 1302

Atlanta, Georgia, US

too much $$$ to buy, for such a specific effect... just rent it.

if you buy one of the high end ringlights... you'll use it for a couple shoots... then it will sit around for the rest of your career!

stuff like that.. you are better off renting.

Jul 04 06 06:21 pm Link

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Bay Photo

Posts: 734

Marseille, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France

those little ring flahses are NOT ring flashes at all.  there is only 1 small model that is an actual ring flash and that is the Sunpak. it is great and small and offers decent power output.  it is about $200

the others are profoto, hensel and broncolor and those will be like $1500 just for the flash head without power.

the Sunpak will go on up to about a 77mm thread size, but you need to buy an adapter for it

Jul 04 06 06:24 pm Link

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robert christopher

Posts: 2706

Snohomish, Washington, US

dont forget alien bees will announce their ringflash this month

Jul 04 06 07:18 pm Link

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Sam-H

Posts: 156

Paris, Arkansas, US

I use the Profoto ring flash. And together with the Pentax 67II, it can get pretty heavy. smile

Jul 04 06 07:32 pm Link

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Jean-Philippe

Posts: 397

Austin, Texas, US

DolceV wrote:
I use the Profoto ring flash. And together with the Pentax 67II, it can get pretty heavy. smile

Don't tell me my arms are getting MASSIVE!! And I have shoulder pain.

Jul 31 06 12:59 am Link

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JM Dean

Posts: 8931

Cary, North Carolina, US

LooAragon wrote:
you can use the macro ringlights for fashion. eric s has used the sunpak version for years. his stuff looks great. i used the canon version this weekend and it was awesome.

https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060702/20/44a8747c58840.jpg

That’s from a Macro Ringflash? I’ve got one somewhere. Must give it a try. Nice shot of j0 and Larissa.

Jul 31 06 01:04 am Link

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Posts: 5264

New York, New York, US

lll's Ring Flash Light Compact CF Raw List
https://modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=63911

Many answers on ring flashes found there.
past links.

Jul 31 06 01:07 am Link

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Jamie Baker

Posts: 317

Palo Alto, California, US

LooAragon wrote:
you can use the macro ringlights for fashion. eric s has used the sunpak version for years. his stuff looks great. i used the canon version this weekend and it was awesome.

https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060702/20/44a8747c58840.jpg

Wow,  the faces look great!!!

but... the hairy arms??

Jul 31 06 01:17 am Link

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New York, New York, US

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Jul 31 06 01:22 am Link

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Jhett Thompson

Posts: 298

New York, New York, US

hey i just found this nifty how to build your own ring flash looks interesting i wonder if it works http://www.dennisonbertram.com/hackmast … -flash.htm

Jul 31 06 02:53 am Link

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Mark Anderson

Posts: 2472

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I just bought a Novatron Ringlight.  Never knew there was such a thing but there is.  Made by a company in Dallas by a guy who used to work for Novatron.  It's light weight and can go to 1000 W/S output.  Fits on the front of the lens via a Cokin adapter.  Beats trying to buy a whole new system or building one.  smile

Jul 31 06 03:06 am Link

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tobias35

Posts: 9

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

sunpac ringflashes are good..come with adaptor rings so easily fitted to 35mm, and medium formats cameras and works dandy on my digital..a good all rounder

Jul 31 06 04:50 am Link

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abatarphoto

Posts: 6

Eskilstuna, Södermanland, Sweden

Hi,,I made my own ringflash,,,,How to submit photo, so I can show you my DYI item?

Jul 31 06 07:06 am Link

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Ken Rieves Photography

Posts: 934

Avon Lake, Ohio, US

Not to perpetuate gossip, but I too have been hearing rumblings that AB is going to be coming out with an affordable ring flash.

Jul 31 06 07:16 am Link

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Posts: 5264

New York, New York, US

Chip Willis wrote:
the Canon works great.

The advantages are not so apparent- the ability to be master for 580EX strobes. This is great for location work.
Also, high speed sync ability.

I used to have a Sunpak Dx12R long ago, and the canon is much better.
here is an image with the MR14 as main, and 580Ex as slave TTL.

Chip

Can you explain this a bit more?  I had the canon ring flash once but returned it.
This option does sound good.

So in your picture the 580x is the side light?
I have only used my 550x as a slave once.
Can you explain this more?
So the 580x is the slave but controls the exposure automatically or was this shot on manual?

Mark Anderson wrote:
I just bought a Novatron Ringlight.  Never knew there was such a thing but there is.  Made by a company in Dallas by a guy who used to work for Novatron.  It's light weight and can go to 1000 W/S output.  Fits on the front of the lens via a Cokin adapter.  Beats trying to buy a whole new system or building one.  smile

Do you have the information of this company?
How much was it?
What size lenses does it fit up to?
It can go to 1000 w/s.  Are there reduction switches or is that up to your pack or bleeding of heads?

Jul 31 06 09:19 am Link

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Mark Anderson

Posts: 2472

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Mark Anderson wrote:
I just bought a Novatron Ringlight.  Never knew there was such a thing but there is.  Made by a company in Dallas by a guy who used to work for Novatron.  It's light weight and can go to 1000 W/S output.  Fits on the front of the lens via a Cokin adapter.  Beats trying to buy a whole new system or building one. 
Do you have the information of this company?
How much was it?
What size lenses does it fit up to?
It can go to 1000 w/s.  Are there reduction switches or is that up to your pack or bleeding of heads?

It came from Don's Used Photo in Dallas.  I bought a used one for $500 plus shipping.  New they are $800 I think.  The use the pack to control the amount of light since you always have to have a full head on the pack when using it.  I know it goes up to 77mm because I have Cokin rings up to that size.  It used the larger Cokin format not the "A" size.

Jul 31 06 11:07 am Link