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Sep 08 10 10:19 pm Link

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He made it into the "Americas Got Talent" top 4 tonight, but he's got some really, really strong competition to beat for the win.

The 11 year old Opera singer is astonishing, and "Fighting Gravity" could easily be assimilated with the hottest shows in Las Vegas like Cirque du Soleil and Blue Man Group.










(I was rootin' for someone that I used to work with, Antonio Restivo who made it through to the Semi Finals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbx5GjrdvL8 )

Sep 08 10 10:31 pm Link

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v i k t o r

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wow wow... just watched it twice... i'd like to see him + gaga team up to produce an electro-rock-pop opera... a costume change every minutes please!

Sep 08 10 10:35 pm Link

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Prince Poppycock is an amazing opera singer, performer AND artist....visually it's more exiting for me, more of a show...it's like watching art...

But the little girl is very talented...

Sep 08 10 10:37 pm Link

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v i k t o r wrote:
wow wow... just watched it twice... i'd like to see him + gaga team up to produce an electro-rock-pop opera... a costume change every minutes please!

that would be


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Sep 08 10 10:38 pm Link

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Kerosene Deluxe wrote:
Prince Poppycock is an amazing opera singer, performer

actually, he isn't that good...listen to pavoratti or domingo sing those same songs and you'll see what i mean...

without the visuals, meh...

any true opera aficionado would cringe listening to this guy...

Sep 08 10 10:50 pm Link

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Manzin

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I would cheerfully pay a lot of money to watch HRH Poppycock be visually and musically extravagant and stunning for two hours. I would be bored as shit two songs in with that little girl. There's nothing Vegas about her.  Vegas wishes it was Poppycock.

Sep 08 10 10:51 pm Link

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honestly...the 11 year old opera singer is a novelty (amazing, and pleasant, but a novelty). she's not even as good as charlotte church was at that age. let's be honest.  she's not quite polished enough to be a big opera star yet for real, and i can't see vegas having that sort of show. it's mostly amazing because of her age...she's not outsinging anna netrebko any decade soon. plus, i worry about her technique...the tension in her jaw is scary.  if she continues working hard i can definitely see her finding her way into the big leagues of opera someday...she has a great talent obviously.

but poppycock is amazing...truly a creative genius on top of a brilliant talent.  he could headline in vegas...it's just the town for him...it's like cirque meets wayne newton with a lady gaga facade. what's nice about his performance is that it is polished...he doesn't need to work on his singing, or refining his ideas...he just needs budget, billboards, and a showroom. i'd probably actually go see the damn show. i'm 1000% with the poppycock + gaga electro-pop-rock opera idea.

Sep 08 10 10:55 pm Link

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Manzin wrote:
I would cheerfully pay a lot of money to watch HRH Poppycock be visually and musically extravagant and stunning for two hours. I would be bored as shit two songs in with that little girl. There's nothing Vegas about her.  Vegas wishes it was Poppycock.

This is pretty much what I was gonna type...

Poppycock = win

Sep 08 10 10:56 pm Link

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S W I N S K E Y wrote:

actually, he isn't that good...listen to pavoratti or domingo sing those same songs and you'll see what i mean...

without the visuals, meh...

any true opera aficionado would cringe listening to this guy...

It's 2010. Unfortunately... Visuals make or break a performance. Imagine if Lady Gaga continued sitting at the piano with her drab self without all the costumes, makeup and gimmicks. Your voice only carries you so far... there's something I saw at the Los Angeles County Museum of Arts that really struck a chord with me... "IMAGINATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWLEDGE."

Sep 08 10 10:58 pm Link

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Henna N.

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God damn I hope he wins. I love him.

Well, I hope he's successful, no matter what the outcome of the show is.

Sep 08 10 11:09 pm Link

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v i k t o r wrote:

It's 2010. Unfortunately... Visuals make or break a performance. Imagine if Lady Gaga continued sitting at the piano with her drab self without all the costumes, makeup and gimmicks. Your voice only carries you so far... there's something I saw at the Los Angeles County Museum of Arts that really struck a chord with me... "IMAGINATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWLEDGE."

A wise quote by Albert

Sep 08 10 11:14 pm Link

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Wow. How did I miss this guy?

  Spitting image of my crazy ex, but I can turn it off and walk away smile

Sep 08 10 11:15 pm Link

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S W I N S K E Y

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S W I N S K E Y wrote:
actually, he isn't that good...listen to pavoratti or domingo sing those same songs and you'll see what i mean...

without the visuals, meh...

any true opera aficionado would cringe listening to this guy...

v i k t o r wrote:
It's 2010. Unfortunately... Visuals make or break a performance. Imagine if Lady Gaga continued sitting at the piano with her drab self without all the costumes, makeup and gimmicks. Your voice only carries you so far... there's something I saw at the Los Angeles County Museum of Arts that really struck a chord with me... "IMAGINATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWLEDGE."

you dont need a visual to appreciate this voice...keep in mind pavoratti is filling a much larger venue without a microphone (amplification)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky271W94VHA
in other words...this poppycock dude isnt going to be selling any CDs...he is a visual performer...

Sep 08 10 11:16 pm Link

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Met him, have  a photo of him in my web portfolio.

https://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/Fenwitch/Picture42.png

I am also one of his 844 friends on his normal facebook page. As opposed to the 22,000 on the official fan page.

Sep 08 10 11:20 pm Link

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I suspect Prince Poppycock is a G A Y ...shhhhh, don't tell anyone though, wouldn't want it getting out there.

Sep 09 10 12:21 am Link

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Manzin wrote:
I would cheerfully pay a lot of money to watch HRH Poppycock be visually and musically extravagant and stunning for two hours. I would be bored as shit two songs in with that little girl. There's nothing Vegas about her.  Vegas wishes it was Poppycock.

You definitely have a valid point there!

But... history can repeat itself.  After all, the first winner of AGT was a young female singer (11 year old Bianca Ryan).  I thought she was waaaaaay over-rated but she won.  I don't think anyone except her family remembers her name now, nor do they even remember her.  With that said, I really like Jackie Evancho, and I feel that she's much more talented than the season 1 winner.

Season 3's winner (Neal Boyd) was an opera singer.  A good one in my opinion, but I don't see his name in any lights around here.

Last year it was a country singer (Kevin Skinner) that won.  His name appears on a marquis every now and then, but isn't a major draw.  The runner up was also an Opera Singer.  (Bárbara Padilla).

Terry Fator (season 2 winner) is a ventriloquist (much of his act involves singing), which happens to be the highest paid performer in Las Vegas history.  ($100 million over 5 years).  He fills the showroom and people come in from all over the world just to see his show.

In terms of true talent, I think Jackie (the little girl) has it nailed!  In terms of best showmanship, Poppycock has it nailed.  In terms of what would probably be a really popular long running Las Vegas show (and my current pick for the winner)... Fighting Gravity!

Sep 09 10 02:14 am Link

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Danger Ninja

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the 11 year old won't win

the "unexpected opera singer" shit has been done to death

Sep 09 10 02:23 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

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S W I N S K E Y wrote:
actually, he isn't that good...listen to pavoratti or domingo sing those same songs and you'll see what i mean...

without the visuals, meh...

any true opera aficionado would cringe listening to this guy...

The same could be said about any show in Las Vegas.  Although they're now nearly extinct, the classic "Las Vegas Showgirl" is usually a statuesque woman with extensive  classical dance training, yet most of them simply walk and strut not much differently than a runway model would.  None of the showgirls I ever met thought talent really was required in their job.

With that in mind, when you're comparing a true artist to a vegas show:

So, watch a ballerina at the Kennedy Center dance and you'll see what i mean...
without the visuals, meh...
any true dance aficionado would cringe watching the Jubillee dancers...

Sep 09 10 02:25 am Link

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I adore him!! And I used to sing opera, too. big_smile

Sep 09 10 02:30 am Link

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Who?

Sep 09 10 02:34 am Link

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Although the show isn't 'rigged' in the truest sense of the word, I think that they guide the home viewers into voting for certain people.

The application asks about any hardships that had to be overcome, and it's used heavily to influence votes on the show.  Mediocre acts with a sob story go far... hence Christina & Ali http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/ … .shtml#bio

A few years ago I was an extra / seatfiller for an AGT episode that was filmed at Planet Hollywood. 

In that audition an AMAZING thing happened.

A flambouyant transvestite came out singing Opera in a Soprano voice.  S/he was black, wearing skin tight pants, sequins, and a long blonde wig.  The hundreds of people in the audience thought it was a bad joke and immediately started booing! 

Myself and a few other people scattered around the audience actually thought s/he was a very good singer.

S/he got X'd off by the judges.

During the final interview, s/he mentioned that s/he sings a whole range.  The judges requested to hear an example.  S/he then proceeded to sing both male and female parts to an Opera, from Baritone to Soprano... and s/he did both parts EXCELLENTLY!

A few of us gave a standing ovation, followed by the rest of the crowd.  It went from a NO WAY to a 'HELL YEA' in the flash of an eye, and the judges unanimously voted him/her through.

That segment would have been great on TV, but they edited almost everything out.  As a matter of fact, they only showed a few seconds of him/her singning along with quick clips of other people that were announced as "other acts making it through to the next round".

I feel that if the TV audience would have seen the complete segment, or at least a minute of it rather than the 2 or 3 seconds that was shown, that person would have gone much farther than they did in the competition.

Sep 09 10 03:00 am Link

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SayCheeZ! wrote:
The application asks about any hardships that had to be overcome, and it's used heavily to influence votes on the show.  Mediocre acts with a sob story go far... hence Christina & Ali http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/ … .shtml#bio

I feel bad for hating those two. They're absolutely terrible, but they're really sick. hmm

Sep 09 10 03:05 am Link

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Kerosene Deluxe wrote:
Prince Poppycock is an amazing opera singer, performer AND artist....visually it's more exiting for me, more of a show...it's like watching art...

But the little girl is very talented...

I would agree with you on everything but the "amazing opera singer" part. He's actually pretty bad as far as opera singers go. hehe Seriously, he forces everything, which makes his voice "sound" powerful.... but he can actually barely hold a note! He sounds like someone who probably enjoys singing, and just enjoys singing opera.

But yes, amazing performer and knows how to put on a show which taps into our perception of what an elaborate opera experience is (although it's exaggerated, which is the point).

Sep 09 10 06:42 am Link

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Jeffrey Engel wrote:

I would agree with you on everything but the "amazing opera singer" part. He's actually pretty bad as far as opera singers go. hehe Seriously, he forces everything, which makes his voice "sound" powerful.... but he can actually barely hold a note! He sounds like someone who probably enjoys singing, and just enjoys singing opera.

But yes, amazing performer and knows how to put on a show which taps into our perception of what an elaborate opera experience is (although it's exaggerated, which is the point).

perhaps but it doesn't really matter. (I'm not an opera elitist and don't have a sound knowledge in the genre) Regardless if he wins or not he will go on and do something big..

Sep 09 10 10:03 am Link

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I hope Poppycock wins.  Fighting Gravity is a rip-off act that has been done (and is right now) a lot better by others.

Sep 09 10 01:35 pm Link

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Danger Ninja

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the fact that fighting gravity got that far in the competition to begin with shows how stupid piers, sharon and howie are

Sep 09 10 01:38 pm Link

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I like his version of Pagliaccci. It's a hard song, very intense emotion

Sep 09 10 01:41 pm Link

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Prince Poppycock's visual and performance stuff very cool and artistic, but as an opera singer, he's very flat voice-wise..... he doesn't have any color changes in the music, whatsoever and all he does it belt. / :  He's definitely very cool, but doesn't really have my vote for those reasons.... (keep in mind, I'm a music major, so I'm very picky...)

Jackie Evancho, on the other hand, does not yet have the musical maturity to pour herself into the pieces she performs, as evidenced by her rushing through them.  However, that girl has SUCH a VOICE and it's not even a mature voice yet.  Also, her technique rivals that of the best classical voice students at my university.  Watch out for her when she's in her early 20s.... she's very very talented and I'm sure will go far, whether she wins this competition or not.

Sep 09 10 03:37 pm Link

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David Eckert wrote:
honestly...the 11 year old opera singer is a novelty (amazing, and pleasant, but a novelty). she's not even as good as charlotte church was at that age. let's be honest.  she's not quite polished enough to be a big opera star yet for real, and i can't see vegas having that sort of show. it's mostly amazing because of her age...she's not outsinging anna netrebko any decade soon. plus, i worry about her technique...the tension in her jaw is scary.  if she continues working hard i can definitely see her finding her way into the big leagues of opera someday...she has a great talent obviously.

but poppycock is amazing...truly a creative genius on top of a brilliant talent.  he could headline in vegas...it's just the town for him...it's like cirque meets wayne newton with a lady gaga facade. what's nice about his performance is that it is polished...he doesn't need to work on his singing, or refining his ideas...he just needs budget, billboards, and a showroom. i'd probably actually go see the damn show. i'm 1000% with the poppycock + gaga electro-pop-rock opera idea.

Please, please, please do not mention Anna Netrebko or Charlotte Church in the same sentence as opera.  That's like musical blasphemy.

Rather, if you want to mention current opera greats, pay tribute to Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, or Renee Fleming or even Cecilia Bartoldi.

Sep 09 10 03:50 pm Link

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Mitzu Robinson wrote:

Please, please, please do not mention Anna Netrebko or Charlotte Church in the same sentence as opera.  That's like musical blasphemy.

Rather, if you want to mention current opera greats, pay tribute to Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, or Renee Fleming or even Cecilia Bartoldi.

they're all old though. i was aiming for youth-oriented big names, and netrebko, love her or hate her (i tend to like her voice as an instrument...but she's not really pushing boundaries yet, or doing anything interesting musically...i think she'll turn out for the better in time), is all there is in that department.  and i generally can't stand renee fleming, even though she has her nonpareil brilliant moments.

charlotte church only gets mention because she was the first little girl with a big woman voice to make it big...ergo the comparison. i sort of meant it derogatorily...guess it was a little too subtle. haha.

Sep 09 10 04:24 pm Link

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Biana Ryan has a five CD deal with Columbia (looks like four are out now), but hasn't had any chart-toppers in the US.

Neal Boyd tours regularly, and apparently has since he finished his obligations to AGT.

Kevin Skinner tours regularly, and has a CD out now (also now that his is free of obligations to AGT and the Vegas show).

All three have apparently successful careers, just not in Vegas, and not, so far, in the mainstream spotlight.

Terry Fator, of course, was born to play Vegas, and has been very, very successful. (The announcement on the show of his contract with the casino resulted in over 100,000 auditions last seaon, and nearly as many this season.)

Poppycock, if he wins (and it seems likely), will also likely be a big Vegas hit. He may not be the best opera singer in the world, but he is a damned good showman.

Sep 09 10 04:58 pm Link

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David Eckert wrote:

they're all old though. i was aiming for youth-oriented big names, and netrebko, love her or hate her (i tend to like her voice as an instrument...but she's not really pushing boundaries yet, or doing anything interesting musically...i think she'll turn out for the better in time), is all there is in that department.  and i generally can't stand renee fleming, even though she has her nonpareil brilliant moments.

charlotte church only gets mention because she was the first little girl with a big woman voice to make it big...ergo the comparison. i sort of meant it derogatorily...guess it was a little too subtle. haha.

Ah, ok.  Makes sense.  Anna no doubt has a great instrument, just needs the maturity to master subtleties. 

And I think you're right about Charlotte Church...
Maybe I need to master subtleties too... I totally didn't read it that way. : p

Sep 09 10 05:04 pm Link

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I really like this gal's voice I found on YouTube
her name is Amira Solmaia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nIwOkPeYD4
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_ … l=US&bmb=1
and I enjoy the little girl on the show :-)

Sep 09 10 07:59 pm Link

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Okay... So I saw 2 of his performances, and of these 4, I'm going to say he's going to win.  He has solo stage presence as well as group, and can actually sing under all his flamboyancy :-)

Sep 09 10 10:25 pm Link

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Star wrote:
Met him, have  a photo of him in my web portfolio.

https://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/Fenwitch/Picture42.png

I am also one of his 844 friends on his normal facebook page. As opposed to the 22,000 on the official fan page.

Whoopdy do.

Sep 09 10 11:37 pm Link

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Mitzu Robinson wrote:
Prince Poppycock's visual and performance stuff very cool and artistic, but as an opera singer, he's very flat voice-wise..... he doesn't have any color changes in the music, whatsoever and all he does it belt. / :  He's definitely very cool, but doesn't really have my vote for those reasons.... (keep in mind, I'm a music major, so I'm very picky...)

Jackie Evancho, on the other hand, does not yet have the musical maturity to pour herself into the pieces she performs, as evidenced by her rushing through them.  However, that girl has SUCH a VOICE and it's not even a mature voice yet.  Also, her technique rivals that of the best classical voice students at my university.  Watch out for her when she's in her early 20s.... she's very very talented and I'm sure will go far, whether she wins this competition or not.

With all due respect.....  You're a "picky" music major, yet you can honestly stomach watching/listneing to the little girl's technique?? sad
By the sound of it, she has her tongue jammed so far back in her throat it's s.cary (in order to produce the artificially "dark" sound that is so astounding everyone).  I think she has a very pretty instrument naturally, but I sincerely hope she finds someone else to train with, before she does any permanent damage to that voice.

Sep 10 10 12:01 am Link

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SayCheeZ! wrote:
(I was rootin' for someone that I used to work with, Antonio Restivo who made it through to the Semi Finals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbx5GjrdvL8 )

I agree smile  lol, I met him in a film where he played my abusive husband....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma2T7hcu14

Sep 10 10 12:06 am Link

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Mitzu Robinson wrote:
And I think you're right about Charlotte Church...
Maybe I need to master subtleties too... I totally didn't read it that way. : p

lol...i think i naturally assume everyone thinks she's awful.

i'm glad we've found the meet half way point. haha

Sep 10 10 12:24 am Link

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Will he take it???

Sep 14 10 01:46 pm Link