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Mua's Paying Photographers
Jan 10 11 10:24 am Link xElizabethx wrote: why do you think it's ridiculous? Jan 10 11 10:25 am Link  Jan 10 11 10:27 am Link I've only had one ever hire me but I think she's got a leg up on most new mua's who can spend months trying to build their portfolio, often times just getting whatever images are handed to them weather they're good for an mua or not. Paying me gave her control to select the models, images, lighting/style and both opened doors to local agencies as well as having free marketing and promo built into the shoot. She did a great job and I'll gladly use her again on paid work. Jan 10 11 10:29 am Link I've been paid by one. They have concepts they want to do (likely headshots) that won't benefit my portfolio as much as does theirs. And it's no more ridiculous than a photographer paying a model, a model paying a photographer, a model paying a retoucher... You get the point. Jan 10 11 10:29 am Link xElizabethx wrote: I think I see what you are trying to do here. Should have posted this one on the Photography Talk section. Jan 10 11 10:30 am Link Jan 10 11 10:31 am Link Jan 10 11 10:31 am Link xElizabethx wrote: We pay MUA's a referral to help us book shoots, we also have a great program that helps new MUA's build their book, and get paid, thru portfolio mashups, check out fanpage Jan 10 11 10:35 am Link Goes to prove the old addage . . . if you're going to be a person of few words it's better to so choose earlier than later. Jan 10 11 10:46 am Link Essential Form wrote: I think I love you. Jan 10 11 10:49 am Link Thank goodness for the quote system in this forum. Otherwise, I'd have no idea how uninformed the OP is. Actually, I wouldn't have any idea what's going on in this thread... So thank you quoters!!! And MUAs should pay for amazing photographers to showcase their work just as wardrobe stylists should pay models. Just as photographers should pay MUAs to put makeup on a model to improve their portfolio. This is how it works. You pay to build your portfolio. You trade for mutual benefit. You charge for images that will do neither. Jan 10 11 10:54 am Link Good Egg Productions wrote: I know don't you love it! Now I can quote your name calling. Jan 10 11 10:55 am Link xElizabethx wrote: Good Egg Productions wrote: I know don't you love it! Now I can quote your name calling. This is obviously the place where the old adages are desperately needed. Like, When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Jan 10 11 11:02 am Link Essential Form wrote: Ah Doooo! Ah doo lubz yooo. Jan 10 11 11:04 am Link Dayum! I just wasted 3 mins of my life. Jan 10 11 11:07 am Link Good Egg Productions wrote: agree on both parts. Jan 10 11 11:08 am Link I never had to pay a photographer but if I were new in todays climate I might pay one to get my portfolio started....but he or she would have to be very very good, not just a little good and he or she would have to take the entire shoot direction from me and I would own the photos...it would be a work for hire, that's the only way I would pay a photographer...I would expect to be treated like any paying client. The photographer would also have to be someone that is paid for commercial and editorial work on a regular basis...not someone that is still building their own book. If I am going to pay, I am going to invest in a sure thing Jan 10 11 12:00 pm Link Good Egg Productions wrote: Good summary. Jan 10 11 08:35 pm Link Mary wrote: the photographer you described wouldn't do work for hire. Not unless you were paying $30,000+ Jan 10 11 10:38 pm Link Good Egg Productions wrote: This 100% Jan 10 11 10:52 pm Link I've had MUA's pay me to build their ports. Jan 10 11 10:55 pm Link OK, what's going on in here? Jan 10 11 11:48 pm Link Not common but it has happened to me a couple of times. An MUA wants to do very specific ideas of their choosing and I handle all the legwork that is involved in a shoot. If fact, as people have stated, if it builds your port - any creative paying any other creative is not at all strange. Jan 10 11 11:53 pm Link Good Egg Productions wrote:
Jan 11 11 12:02 am Link I would be happy to pay a photographer and their full rate, to add to my book even with over 12 yrs. experience in this industry. I am still full of ideas and concepts that are my own. Being a Hair and Make Up artist I dont get to pick and choose the work I would like to do that would benefit me and my book. I think it is a luxury. As a professional I look at the job first, the model second and then the concept before I take my own needs into the equation, even when I do beauty work there is a theme to the concept that is dictated and usually outdated when it comes to make up trends. It is important to stay ahead of these trends, and to take total control of your own work. Jan 11 11 12:33 am Link Just this past weekend I had a makeup artist that assisted me contact me and ask if I knew any photographers that would be willing to shoot w/ him to help him build his book and he was willing to pay. I don't think there is anything crazy about the idea if it's going to get you what you need and a lot faster than working w/ a lot of crappy ppl trying to climb your way to the top. Now of course when you're paying that photographer you better be able to bring the goods yourself or it's just a waste of time and money but if you know you have the talent and concepts and no one decent is willing to give you a shot I say go for it. I contacted a couple of photographers that I thought were good and would give a decent rate and they were very willing to help out. Jan 11 11 02:56 pm Link Jan 11 11 03:06 pm Link Star wrote: I know photographers in SD that would do it and they're good. I don't need to pay a photographer but I could find one to do it as a work for hire in this market...I know because I know what some of the good photographers are working for right now and it's about as sad as what good artists are working for now. A few years ago this would have been harder to do but we have good photographers right now that are losing their studios and many are not surviving. It's not what it was a few years ago...I have many good friends that are photographers as well as my boyfriend and so I have a pretty good grip on whats going on locally. Jan 11 11 06:20 pm Link another example of a common buy out for almost nothing I used to do stock for Getty images (they hired a fairly good shooter for higher end stuff) the photographer had no rights to the images...he made a day rate...this is just one example of a good photographer trading his time for a day rate that was not much more than what I made...Getty actually made him take the photos he shot off his own portfolio. When I work with (large electronics firm you all know) they hire a photographer that works for a day rate, shoots all day and is not employed by (large electronics firm you all know) but I know he has no rights to his own images and I am not sure what he makes doing this but I can tell you from our conversations that it was in the $1,000.00 to $1,500.00 a day range and the assistant made 200.00 a day. This is for packaging mostly and some point of sale ads. what is happening in the photography community is the same thing that has happened in the artist community...it is saturated with people just trying to make anything they can and it's changed the rules for everyone....it's changed the rules because some of these photographers and some of these artists are quite good. Jan 11 11 06:31 pm Link Jessica Jean Myers wrote: and this is the catch 22.... If you are good enough to bring the goods, good photographers will test as a team and you wouldn't have to pay. Jan 11 11 06:48 pm Link I'm always amazed at how little some really good photographers charge! And I'd definitely pay to own copyrights to an image. Which in some cases I think are fair if its my complete concept and they are being paid. And I think its rather of silly to say you could only get a good photographer to do it for 30,000.00?  Jan 11 11 06:51 pm Link Mary wrote: Thank God, Mary, said it. I wanted to but don't have the same authority! My exact freaking thoughts! Jan 11 11 07:07 pm Link I actually suggest to newer artists that if they want to jump their book building by 2 years would be to hire a photographer. not ridiculous at all Jan 11 11 07:49 pm Link I would have NO problem paying one IF I could afford to. It would save me tons of shoots where I got awful images or NO images. Or even shoots where I liked the concept but it didn't go as planned. Paying someone would allow me to be in FULL control so if it goes bad at least I know it's my doing. Jan 11 11 08:19 pm Link Sounds like a matter of time vs. money. Spending money on book building can save you time, but you can't buy the experience you gain from years of testing. Jan 11 11 08:21 pm Link A number of my husband's beauty shoots are paid by makeup artists. Very normal to help push the book along. Jan 11 11 08:22 pm Link T K A wrote: This is soooo true. I have learned so much and become better at what I do from being pushed outside of my comfort zone when testing. I am lucky that I get mostly great images from testing- it's my entire port right now! Jan 11 11 08:26 pm Link I feel the same way, tests are a huge learning experience. On the other hand I do see how it could be beneficial to "test up" this way and I'm not putting it down. Jan 11 11 08:37 pm Link Mary wrote: D'oh! While reading your comment above, I was thinking of how I was jokingly going to compare you to the EVIL Getty, then you posted this! LOL Jan 11 11 09:02 pm Link |
