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I came across the profile of a model who did a shoot with me years ago for the cover of a DVD that for some reason unknown to me was never released, a live DVD of a band. The other model lists that non-existent cover in her credits ("XYZ cover shoot"). Now, technically it is true that she was shot for that cover (like I was), but that DVD doesn't exist (so I wouldn't dream of including it in my credits) and to my knowledge the images were never used for anything. This makes me wonder about the rest of her credits. Personally, I feel this is no different than someone listing anything they have ever shot that was intended for publication as a credit, regardless if it has actually been published or not. Do you ever actually check credits like this? If you happened to find out that a model or a photographer listed something like this that never saw the light of day as an actual credit, how would that influence your professional opinion of that person? Jan 26 11 07:07 am Link hi salome, ich selber checke keine referenzen, ich denke eine sc spricht für sich selbst. wenn sie mir gefällt schreibe ich, wenn nicht dann nicht. ich hatte schon models die im playboy waren, oder auf mercedes benz fashion week gelaufen sind. aber einfach keine connection zustande kam. referenzen sind zwar schön und gut, aber wirklich etwas über das model aussagen tun sie nicht. ich denke gerade mal an die gntm models, klar super referenz. aber mit wievielen will ich selber wirklich shooten, mit 1 wenn es hoch kommt gruà karsten Jan 26 11 07:17 am Link Unfortunately, a lot of photos that were shot with publishing intentions have never been used as intended. Although that can be frustrating to everyone involved, those missed opportunities can never really count for anything. Taking credit for tearsheets that never happened is simply dishonest, and if I was aware of that happening, I would certainly be cautious of working with anyone guilty of doing this. I'm certain that someone who is generally dishonest can easily find a way to throw a shadow on any work we may do together. So I would try my best to avoid being involved with them in any way. As far as checking credits for tearsheets, I think that would be pretty difficult. I do thoroughly check references, and I'm sure dishonesty would show up in other ways through those references. Jan 26 11 07:19 am Link ForeverFotos wrote: That's basically how I feel, too. Jan 26 11 10:46 am Link I don't really look at credits. it's jusually from magazines or events I have never heard of, so it's basically a meaningless list of meaningless achievements to me... but lying about them, that's just sad... Jan 26 11 10:55 am Link Any more opinions on this? Jan 27 11 01:58 pm Link I think she's listing the credit as a job. I'm not sure if you can really know for sure that no copy of the DVD exists or were given out at a show etc, but as a job, one would be able to check with the band, photographer or graphic artist to see how the model was to work with. It also speaks to her experience, It shows that she was hired and was shot for a cover. The final photo may still exist as well, and she may have a copy of it. Jan 28 11 08:55 am Link JoShyra wrote: I know for sure that it doesn't exist as I am in touch with both the band members and the photographer who shot the image. She lists the non-existent DVD as a publication. Jan 28 11 01:11 pm Link Babalon Salome wrote: If a tear sheet doesn't exist except in the mind of a person who claims it does, then it doesn't exist. Jan 28 11 01:17 pm Link Babalon Salome wrote: Are you sure that she knows that the DVD was never released? Jan 28 11 01:25 pm Link S_H wrote: She does. She has worked with the photographer who had shot us for the cover several times afterwards and she told me that nothing ever happened with the pictures. Then I did some research myself. Jan 28 11 01:29 pm Link Babalon Salome wrote: mh..... well, I guess listing it isn't the problem but I would at least include (never released) behind it. Jan 28 11 01:33 pm Link S_H wrote: If I listed every editorial/coffee table book/commercial/music video I was shot for that was intended for publication but was somehow never released my credits would be easily three times as long. And adding (never released) behind it would make me feel silly. Jan 28 11 01:39 pm Link Does the 3rd string quarterback get a SuperBowl ring, even if he never touched the ball? Does an actor credit a movie if the editor ends up cutting the film to the floor or the movie never actually makes it in production? Would you credit a tearsheet if it was for a drycleaner in Uzebekistan? Bottom line is there are no "rules" reguarding what counts to be a "credit" If you did something that gave you experience and you want to list it, then list it. You don't need to worry about what somebody else credits. You may have made the cover of the hometown magazine but should a model who has been on the cover of Vogue think that you shouldn't credit it because it is not a "real" magazine. Jan 28 11 02:49 pm Link Don A Long wrote: No, actually. It's considered bad form. Jan 28 11 08:24 pm Link There's a difference between claiming that she was hired and shot for 'xyz cover shoot' and displaying a fake tear. Models are often hired for magazine and catalogue shoots and half (or more) of the shots end up not being published. That does not invalidate the fact they were hired and completed a job, they may not have tear sheets, but the work can certainly be listed on a resume. Successful models also have many tearsheets that will never be added to their portfolios, they can still list them on their resumes. My philosophy is unless it is a blatant case of theft of work, why concern yourself with it? Jan 28 11 08:34 pm Link well i see no reason why something you did should not be used in your resume and ive seen plenty of people already giving similar examples, which are valid, i.e. if you worked on designing say? the super collider, or the star wars defense system for 10 years, and then it never got built, or finished, why would you omit that on your resume? of course you would include it, you got paid for a job that gave you experience Jan 28 11 08:52 pm Link |
