Photographer
no name no more
Posts: 1582
Brooklyn, New York, US
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ?
Model
Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Because heaven forbid you just.. ya know.. ASK the model .
Model
Jessica-Elizabeth
Posts: 890
Bay Springs, Mississippi, US
She might just be looking for something you don't have to offer right now or a different look/style. TF only works if both parties feel that it is beneficial to them.
Model
Kyle S. Hendershot
Posts: 83
Los Angeles, California, US
Just ask the model . If you believe you have something to offer for their profile that they dont have AND they see that you do also then a TF job should work out. Usually they ask for expenses to be paid though if you live really far away. Just my two cents
Photographer
Moore Photo Graphix
Posts: 5288
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ? Confucius once said, life is simple, yet we choose to make it complicated. Wouldn't be better to ask them yourself than make assumptions. By asking, you get your answers and save you some headaches.
Photographer
BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ? overanalyze (verb):
to analyze a situation to an excessive degree; to devote an exorbitant amount of time to researching a situation or thing
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13899
Louisville, Kentucky, US
My profile is pretty clear. I DON'T only accept paid assignments, but I also don't accept general TFP/CD work. I trade for travel, accomodations, awesome wardrobe, shoes under certain circumstances. If someone has a really swesome concept or location (with the skill to back it up), I'll trade. But this IS one of my primary sources of income, and I have a family to support. I can't accept trade that will not get me better paid work. It's not a smack at anyone, it's just a fact- I am at a certain level as a model . I have experience, references, and credits to back up my skills. I have not once in the last two years had someone tell me there were no good images from a set, regardless of their level of skill. I can play to any photographer, that doesn't mean that what is great for their book will beneft mine.
Artist/Painter
sdgillis
Posts: 2464
Portland, Oregon, US
You actually take anything in the Left Column, even reposed to the profile to heart? Come on you don't really think that weights, measurements, experience is reliable as directly looking at their book. Do clients when they hire photographers ask to actually see where they got their College degree?
Look at the model's book. If they are worth paying and you have a job, start to negotiate.
Model
VyL8 - Aubrey
Posts: 2369
Buffalo, New York, US
Unless you have something to offer him/her that is either the same caliber or better quality than the work found in his/her portfolio(s) and different than the rest of his/her portfolio(s), you have to pay him/her. I imagine the same goes for photographers.
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ? 1) Seems like you are willing to assume the worst of the model.
2) Sure, there are lots of other reasons why a model wants you to pay her...[i]
... Rent is due
Photographer
MichaelClements
Posts: 1739
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
As others have said. Ask the model!!
I've worked with 'Paid Only' models on a TF basis purely because they like my work.
Photographer
Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17646
New York, New York, US
OP, are you asking "in general" what we think? or are you wondering why we think it's happening to you? If it's the latter, post in General Feedback.
The question has been answered: ask the model.
None of us are psychic. We can't possibly know what (if anything) is going through the mind of a model - particularly when we don't know which model it is, what his/her portfolio looks like or what your message to the model said.
Seriously, . . . ask the model if you're curious. Personally, I'd just make a note (mental or otherwise) about the communication and move on to the next model.
Photographer
LW FOTOGRAFIA
Posts: 31
Riverside, California, US
Engel Schrei wrote:
Because heaven forbid you just.. ya know.. ASK the model. lol
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Just face it. They all want to be paid. Offer something worth trading for and your woes will disappear.
Photographer
Kristina Vassilieva
Posts: 1901
London, England, United Kingdom
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ? - 8 times out of 10, this will be the case in this situation, however, there is never a right or wrong answer, and may even sometimes incorporate several of the reasons you listed there simultaneously. Every case is different.
Generally, a model (whether 'paid only' or not) who feels she loves your work enough, would make a sacrifice to accept unpaid work to benefit her book and get the chance to shoot with someone she 'loves'...
However... some who MIGHT make that sacrifice, simply won't because they're already very busy and very happy with their book, even if you happen to be superman or supercam, that won't always be your golden ticket... 
Model
Breann Rambo
Posts: 2086
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ? It may be because the model is too busy with paid assignments and have little time in the week/month remaining and they are counting on booking that for paid work also, cause there are some FAB new shoes at the mall they want!  We do TF... but just not NOW!
It might be because of the genre you shoot. You may be awesome at the type of genre you shoot, but the model has zero interest in that genre - For example, I get glamour photographers contacting me all the time. They are good shooters, but a photo with a thong going way up my bootie won't do me much good and has ZERO interest for me - thus no reason to trade because I get zilch. We do TF, just not TF for ________________.
It might be because of references - I have had models warn me about certain photographers... be surprised how much we talk. We do TF, just not with peeps with bad reps...
It may be because you said something wrong in your email (sounded egotistical, unfriendly, etc)... or maybe the concept you mentioned was uninteresting to them. We do TF, just not with big meanie heads or with bad concepts...
Might be because they don't like how you edit. They may still love your photos, but you come across a bit to artsy or not enough for them...
Point - there could be many reasons or only one reason why someone will not TF - only way to find out is ask.
Photographer
Eric Lauritzen
Posts: 1272
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
#1 ...but she will work with you only if the shoot is paid, does that pretty much mean "While I do accept TF, your work isn't good enough for me, so YOU have to pay" ?
#2 Or could it also mean "I don't say 'Paid Assigments Only' because it alienates some photographers who are potential payers. Once they email me, I then notify them that I charge rates. They are less likely to change their minds once we make contact, and will pay me anyway."
#3 Or could it also mean "I do accept TFP, but this week (month) I have received too many offers for TF, so it's paid work only for now "
Is there anything that I missed, that this also 'might mean' ? It means #1 and/or #3.
Model
Koryn
Posts: 39496
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Jessica-Elizabeth wrote:
She might just be looking for something you don't have to offer right now or a different look/style. TF only works if both parties feel that it is beneficial to them. This.
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We do TF... but just not NOW!