Forums > General Industry > Moratorium. Photo Cliche Number 1.

Photographer

Patrick Alt

Posts: 111

Los Angeles, California, US

This will be an irregular series of observations into many of the cliched and repetitive imagery I keep seeing all over Model Mayhem

In the last month of being on this site and not being part of the commercial world, I keep finding the same images over and over again. I am wondering if these kind of pictures are reguired in portfolio inclusions by some unwritten law or if this is a result of a stupifying lack of creativity and vision. The first of these categories of images that definitely need a moratorium are shots of a beautiful young woman in a bikini, usually well endowed, smiling provocatively at the camera and slightly pulling down her bikini bottoms. I see this image everywhere on this site. Usually there is no sense of light, composition, vision, or originality. I personally find such tittilation cheesy and dishonest, but as I said I am not part of this world. It seems to me to be perpetrated in a large part by GWCs, but am also surprised that the models do not have higher expectations of the work done with them and accept this kind of low class imagery because that is all they know. So, unless someone has a good reason for such photographs to exist, I propose the first moratorium on this genre of imagery. Surely you all can do better than this.

Sep 02 06 12:21 pm Link

Photographer

Leo Howard

Posts: 6850

Phoenix, Arizona, US

ever wonder if the bikini shots you so dislike were shot for commercial purposes, such as for a company that sells bikinis?

Sep 02 06 12:31 pm Link

Photographer

S

Posts: 21678

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

They do it because it can be done well, and when it is, it's really hot.  (Case in point the photo below, featuring Giselle Bundchen.)  And because there are a lot of people on this website, including myself, who are new and learning.  Why not try something you've seen done that you love, and see if you can learn it? 

https://imgserv.ya.com/galerias2.ya.com/img/6/6523c9d7131f4aei3.jpg

Sep 02 06 12:32 pm Link

Photographer

ZELDIN PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 16

New York, New York, US

Simply put this site from the very beginning was and is a T & A  site (mostly). a site to mingle and networking. this is a "happy hour" kind of a site. don't take it to seriously and life will be good friend!! :-))

Sep 02 06 12:43 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Alt

Posts: 111

Los Angeles, California, US

Guys,

Just because Giselle Bundchen does it still doesn't not make this a cliche. And secondly, if it was for a bikini company, what is she taking it off for? What we are responding to is the visceral reaction one has to a beautiful woman. So anything she does is going to be pleasing to the eye. I'm talking about the photograph as a image. I found the picture of her quite beautiful. But that's not the point. The point is everyone is taking the same picture, over and over again. It's time to try something different.

Sep 02 06 02:45 pm Link

Photographer

Sandy Ramirez

Posts: 6089

Brooklyn, New York, US

Patrick Alt wrote:
This will be an irregular series of observations into many of the cliched and repetitive imagery I keep seeing all over Model Mayhem

In the last month of being on this site and not being part of the commercial world, I keep finding the same images over and over again. I am wondering if these kind of pictures are reguired in portfolio inclusions by some unwritten law or if this is a result of a stupifying lack of creativity and vision. The first of these categories of images that definitely need a moratorium are shots of a beautiful young woman in a bikini, usually well endowed, smiling provocatively at the camera and slightly pulling down her bikini bottoms. I see this image everywhere on this site. Usually there is no sense of light, composition, vision, or originality. I personally find such tittilation cheesy and dishonest, but as I said I am not part of this world. It seems to me to be perpetrated in a large part by GWCs, but am also surprised that the models do not have higher expectations of the work done with them and accept this kind of low class imagery because that is all they know. So, unless someone has a good reason for such photographs to exist, I propose the first moratorium on this genre of imagery. Surely you all can do better than this.

Gonna have to agree with you

Sep 02 06 02:48 pm Link

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Nihilus

Posts: 10888

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Drop your chin a bit more...all I can see are those glaring nostrils...

If you are really so personally sourpussed by this imagery I'd imagine you'd be ecstatic that you have that je n' sais quoi to know what is so repulsively overdone that it would give you the chance to differentiate your work from these bourgeoisie cliches.

Sep 02 06 02:54 pm Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Repost from Aug 07 06 08:25 pm:

What's with the "What's with the [...]?" threads?
https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=66782

UdoR wrote:
Ya know...?

Those threads were photographers/models complain about a specific type of often used shooting "themes", because the "creator" seem to lack the creativity to do something new...

What's up with that?

Why are you disturbed by "cliches", such as booty shots, arm over the head, duct tape, girls on toilettes, caution tape, girls wrapped in the American flag, on construction sites, with construction belts on their hips, with... arrrghhhh...?

I am more offended by such a snobbism than by the "lack of inspiration".

If you, the complainer, are so much better and so much more creative, why don't you rather post examples of your totally unique ideas, that have not been done in a similar way already a few million times on this planet?!

Just my few cents... stop bitching how the others are not up to your standards, and take care of your very own vision and art, and let others do their thing, let them experiment and grow in their own art.

Cool?!

UdoR

Sep 02 06 02:55 pm Link

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Nihilus

Posts: 10888

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Dammit Udo...my recently acquired collection of links on precisely the same topic seems pointless now after that post..

sad

Sep 02 06 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

Leo Howard

Posts: 6850

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Patrick Alt wrote:
Guys,

Just because Giselle Bundchen does it still doesn't not make this a cliche. And secondly, if it was for a bikini company, what is she taking it off for? What we are responding to is the visceral reaction one has to a beautiful woman. So anything she does is going to be pleasing to the eye. I'm talking about the photograph as a image. I found the picture of her quite beautiful. But that's not the point. The point is everyone is taking the same picture, over and over again. It's time to try something different.

Maybe becuase it sells, just a thought.

So, do something different then if it bothers you so much.

Sep 02 06 02:59 pm Link

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4C 41 42

Posts: 11093

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Gotta applaud Udo's response.  I'm not sure what the point of this post is.  Have you delivered yourself down from your high horse to straighten out all us lesser beings?  Would the appropriate thing for us to now be to kneel, kiss your boots and say "Oh thank you master for showing us the light"?

What exactly is it you want to accomplish?  Just asking.

Sep 02 06 03:00 pm Link

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Tied And Taped

Posts: 4735

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I knew I dug UdoR for a reason.

Someone once said in relation to writing that there's really only about a dozen plots.  To a degree, it ain't the plot, it's how you write it that makes it or breaks it.  Or to put it in photogrpahic terms, it ain't the cliche, it's how you shoot it!

Sep 02 06 03:03 pm Link

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Analog Nomad

Posts: 4097

Pattaya, Central, Thailand

UdoR wrote:
Repost from Aug 07 06 08:25 pm:

What's with the "What's with the [...]?" threads?
https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=66782

That says it all, white boy! I wish we could all just focus on doing the best we can, and applauding people who are doing the best they can. If you grade the world on the curve, at least 50% will be below average. You gotta focus on the good things, or you'll make yourself crazy.

The only alternative is to become like Nazi Germany, where in an effort to perfect the world, they attempted to exterminate everyone they deemed was below average. Which, even if your judgement is right on these things, and theirs sure as hell wasn't, completely sucks.

Paul

Sep 02 06 03:05 pm Link

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Nihilus

Posts: 10888

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Ack...Godwin's Law. And we were doing so well.

Well, that's my cue.

Sep 02 06 03:10 pm Link

Photographer

Kevin Stenhouse

Posts: 2660

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

What's with the blues... don't they know that there are other notes... jeesh... really.

Sep 02 06 03:12 pm Link

Photographer

nevar

Posts: 14670

Fort Smith, Arkansas, US

no idea is wholly original.

humans being what they are often imitate what they enjoy.

We can find that on nearly everyones port... everyone has been influenced by others; and that influence shows.... even in your work. It is not as though your work is something completely orginal... then again neither is mine.

Often we see something we like, and decide that we would like to try it. I have heard the same wispered conversations at photo galleries time and time again, "I can do that...."

We are all copy cats... it is when we stop thinking that we are that we become arrogant and condesending.... we go from artist to some egomaniacal bloviating monstrosity.

Sep 02 06 03:39 pm Link

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jon mmmayhem

Posts: 8233

Philadelphia, Mississippi, US

Patrick Alt wrote:
And secondly, if it was for a bikini company, what is she taking it off for?

so you've never ever seen clothing advertising before?

Sep 02 06 03:52 pm Link

Model

Ivy Jo

Posts: 2188

Amarillo, Texas, US

Children, please repeat after me, " Mar- Ket- Abil- Ity" Models aren't paid for their "art" thats your job. We're paid for our bodies looking good. Whatever pictures show that best, be they cliche or not, are what ought to be included in said models portfolio. Better an amazing cliche than a mediorce art shot.

Sep 02 06 04:00 pm Link