descending chain wrote:
Seno Akta Gamat!

Hehehehehehe ...

It's too bad that no one up in this thread of threads speaks the Divine Language ...

Cuz it MIGHT just help some of 'em ...

Especially if they're not really clear that THIER the Real Issue ... with THIS issue ...

Happy Pointless Gropings Everybody !!!

;-)

William Kious wrote:

Because society is being programmed to think that all touch is bad.  *sigh*  Think about it.  Hell, kids aren't even allowed to hug each other in school anymore.

I don't see how we're the better for it.

Agreed 100% !

Photography by it's very nature is to get a good shot without too much editing at the end. A model is a canvas for the art of photography.

In some shots she ( he ) can not SEE what adjustment needs to be made like a tag on clothing, bra, panties, etc...tucking the tag in quickly & resuming the shoot is much easier and faster than her fumbling around. A thread sticking out, a hair thats fallen, dirt, sand, the list goes on.

If I have to touch I touch, I'm not going to ask the model 12 times in a 2 hour shoot " You mind if I touch you ( here ) " and I've never had one protest. If that ever happened I'd probably stop the shoot NOW !

ShivaKitty wrote:
Remember in first grade, when everyone learned about "good touch," and "bad touch," and how to tell the difference?

Those rules still apply to grown-up life as well.

People should use their brains a lot more, and bitch a lot less.

Well - talking about nailing it - 'nuff said

Tansy Blue wrote:
No one is tucking the tag on my thong in without asking permission first. That's my arse you're fiddling around with. (I cut the tags off my modelling clothes anyway, but that's not the point!)

Basically, it's my body, and just because you're taking pictures of it does not mean you temporarily own it. I ask permission before touching your camera, my friend's CDs, or my teacher's pens. Please extend the same courtesy to my skin.

Tucking in a tag is not the same thing as "fiddling around with your arse" ( I really hate that word, ewwwww ), but good to know I'd never be shooting you ;-)

Harold Rose wrote:
Over 50 years of photographery  I "Do Not Touch Models"  No need to!!  Do you touch the waitress a McDonalds..  Do you touch the cashier???

Time to retire.

Useless comparisons.

Compare to similiar situations like artists, painters, sculptors, gym instructors who may face similiar situations.

ShivaKitty wrote:
Remember in first grade, when everyone learned about "good touch," and "bad touch," and how to tell the difference?

Those rules still apply to grown-up life as well.

People should use their brains a lot more, and bitch a lot less.

Wow - I don't even have to waste my morning answering the OP. It was all said above.

John

descending chain wrote:
Seno Akta Gamat!

+1

Shiva Photo wrote:

Time to retire.

Useless comparisons.

Compare to similiar situations like artists, painters, sculptors, gym instructors who may face similiar situations.

Touche ! Well put ;-)

ShivaKitty wrote:
Remember in first grade, when everyone learned about "good touch," and "bad touch," and how to tell the difference?

Those rules still apply to grown-up life as well.

People should use their brains a lot more, and bitch a lot less.

Well said!

Elizabeth Claret wrote:
The statement in the OP, "I will not tolerate HANDS ON PHOTOGRAPHERS" sounds more to me like someone who has worked with a few too many GWCs who like to get grabby, not someone who is simply moving you or a hair or a piece of clothing or wardrobe.

This is what it comes across as to me. Granted I am a woman photographer, but in my years of shooting models, I've heard horror stories from a few about some GWC grabbing a breast and one GWC claiming he had to adjust the crotch of a bikini bottom (where the inner thighs connect to the pelvis and you have vagina) and in doing so, slipped a couple of fingers inside her vagina.

I make it a policy to ask the model if they are alright with my adjusting them and if so I am mindful about places I lay my hands.

ShivaKitty wrote:
Remember in first grade, when everyone learned about "good touch," and "bad touch," and how to tell the difference?

Those rules still apply to grown-up life as well.

People should use their brains a lot more, and bitch a lot less.

.

This is sooooooooooooooooooooooo spot on

Harold Rose wrote:
Over 50 years of photographery  I "Do Not Touch Models"  No need to!!  Do you touch the waitress a McDonalds..  Do you touch the cashier???

Seriously Harold...one has nothing to do with the other. Not at all. Not even remotely in the nearest galaxy!

Swank Photography wrote:
Seriously Harold...one has nothing to do with the other. Not at all. Not even remotely in the nearest galaxy!

Quickie interception - when shooting politicians etc - all the time - and if it were a McD employee promo - pretty certain - time is key, when verbal direction fails, move in.  Never had hassle/rebuke - even when model/actress partners on set - only thanks for results.

Edit - I touched my (novice model) avatar during the shoot, mostly to adjust the hair.

ShivaKitty wrote:
Remember in first grade, when everyone learned about "good touch," and "bad touch," and how to tell the difference?

Those rules still apply to grown-up life as well.

People should use their brains a lot more, and bitch a lot less.

.......COMMON SENSE........

Tansy Blue wrote:
No one is tucking the tag on my thong in without asking permission first. That's my arse you're fiddling around with. (I cut the tags off my modelling clothes anyway, but that's not the point!)

Basically, it's my body, and just because you're taking pictures of it does not mean you temporarily own it. I ask permission before touching your camera, my friend's CDs, or my teacher's pens. Please extend the same courtesy to my skin.

YEP.

Starr Images wrote:
Tucking in a tag is not the same thing as "fiddling around with your arse" ( I really hate that word, ewwwww ), but good to know I'd never be shooting you ;-)

Really? Because if you're fiddling around with a tag that is necessarily in extremely close contact with my buttocks...

We're on different continents anyway, so we were never going to shoot even if had the same standards of behaviour.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Try doing bondage photography WITHOUT touching the model !

QFT - the only reason to touch me, is if im physically bound, and unable to touch myself. lol

Augustine York wrote:
I can't recall a single time in modeling where someone had to put a hand on me to show me how to pose or to adjust a piece of clothing for me. Usually a quick "move your bra strap" or "to the left" or "look up" does the trick.

If a model is so inept at following direction, or a photographer is so inept at giving it, that the photographer needs to be physically touching the model to get her to move the way he wants her to... then someone is doing something wrong.

And yes, I know there are some exceptions where someone is in such a complicated pose they can't even reach their own panties to adjust them, but seriously, how often do those scenarios happen?

I always ask and then I only use the lightest of touches on the most neutral places. You'd be surprised how few people know what turn your body counterclockwise towards the light 30 degrees means.  As for more subtle adjustments, trying to describe a subtle change in position is usually a massive exercise in futility.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Try doing bondage photography WITHOUT touching the model !

I finally realized why I stopped doing so much bondage work, and it has nothing to do with touching...

I got tired of my pubic hair being pulled by the ropes. Fuck that does not feel good.

Shiva Photo wrote:
Has any photographer been successfully sued for assault or sexual harassment for touching a model?

Has any model contemplated such an action?

This is one reason some photographers have assistants present for protection among other reasons. Or videotape sessions. Similar worries are why doctors usually have a nurse/assistant present when examining women...protection against accusations and shakedown lawsuits.

As to the questions I'm not aware of any such lawsuits, and I'm sure models have contemplated such lawsuits.

Shiva Photo wrote:
" I will not tolerate HANDS ON PHOTOGRAPHERS "

I think they'll find it rather difficult for the photographer to hold and operate a camera without hands.

Black Sunshine wrote:
Usually the best poses are the ones they make in between poses for half a second, and when you tell them what to do, they don't know what you mean.

I've gotten some results I love from the model misunderstanding the instructions.  But, I usually shoot what they came up with AND what I originally intended.

Tansy Blue wrote:
No one is tucking the tag on my thong in without asking permission first. That's my arse you're fiddling around with. (I cut the tags off my modelling clothes anyway, but that's not the point!)

Basically, it's my body, and just because you're taking pictures of it does not mean you temporarily own it. I ask permission before touching your camera, my friend's CDs, or my teacher's pens. Please extend the same courtesy to my skin.

Starr Images wrote:
Tucking in a tag is not the same thing as "fiddling around with your arse" ( I really hate that word, ewwwww ), but good to know I'd never be shooting you ;-)

Tucking in the tag ON A THONG is pretty close.