Forums > General Industry > CCTV - Video Surveillance in your Studio - ?

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

Does anyone have a surveillance system in their studio that records all activity?
When you walk into most places of business, they record everything.
A recent thread about a theft by an escort got me thinking about this.
I see lots of positives...
you can figure out what happened if anything "dissappears", you have footage if a model accuses you of improper behavior or claims that she fell in your studio and can no longer work because of her injuries...
But are there any negatives??? 
I understand issues if you're shooting nudes, erotic, etc...but in a general studio, why not?

Apr 03 12 09:43 am Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 9421

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Big Brother likes to watch !

Apr 03 12 09:45 am Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

I have heard of some photographers that have thought of doing this... The only reason I can see me doing something like this is when I am not in the studio.

I mean I have eyes I can see what's going on in my own studio. I have my area in the studio that all my stuff are in and the mua/model and stylist have theirs. Unless I have asked them to come over to me etc they have no reason being anywhere near my stuff big_smile

Apr 03 12 09:55 am Link

Photographer

Intriguing Images

Posts: 13

Huntsville, Alabama, US

First, my bonafides:  Over 30 years in government and commercial security and security design.

Okay, the pros:
- Allows for forensic reconstruction in the event you have a theft, or a person claims injury or assault while in your studio (all of this assumes you have a properly designed, installed, maintained and operated system)
- If the cameras are visible, provides some deterrence to thefts, etc.

Now, the cons:
- You have to analyze if the cost of a system is more than the potential loss from theft, etc.  In other words, is the system cost-effective.
- If the cameras are visible, the knowledge that the llama has that they are being recorded can inhibit their creativity, etc.  Also, because you might be recording the shoot, expect to be charged for that in llamaing fees as well
- If the cameras are not visible, and you do not advise and get consent from the llama of that, expect legal problems under privacy laws, wiretap laws, etc.

I would suggest consulting with a security professional in your area for advice.

Apr 03 12 09:57 am Link

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A_Nova_Photography

Posts: 8652

Winston-Salem, North Carolina, US

I have CCTV on my house, it wasn't a very expensive system and it does what I need. For well under a grand and a days worth of pulling wires through the attic I have a system I can log into from anywhere and watch live through my cameras. I don't even need a computer, I can watch through my phone.

I'm building shopping at the moment and one of the questions I've been asking the landlord is if there are external cameras and if they mind if I install cameras. I don't intend to point the cameras at the backdrops, mainly the entrances and anywhere anything expensive is stored. I am considering one over the backdrops pointing at where the photographer would stand.

Apr 03 12 10:40 am Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

ACPhotography wrote:
I have CCTV on my house, it wasn't a very expensive system and it does what I need. For well under a grand and a days worth of pulling wires through the attic I have a system I can log into from anywhere and watch live through my cameras. I don't even need a computer, I can watch through my phone.

I'm building shopping at the moment and one of the questions I've been asking the landlord is if there are external cameras and if they mind if I install cameras. I don't intend to point the cameras at the backdrops, mainly the entrances and anywhere anything expensive is stored. I am considering one over the backdrops pointing at where the photographer would stand.

Camera's in your house? Thats just creepy to me. I can understand at work and studio but at home why? An alarm system is usually enough. You have a girlfriend/wife that you don't trust and need to watch their every move? tongue ahahahahahahaha

Apr 03 12 10:44 am Link

Photographer

Blue Mini Photography

Posts: 1703

Tempe, Arizona, US

I have a camera in my lobby on facing the door.   I installed it to check on the studio when I wasn't there.  For $80 you can put one in that you can see on your phone.

Apr 03 12 10:53 am Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

Intriguing Images wrote:
First, my bonafides:  Over 30 years in government and commercial security and security design.

Okay, the pros:
- Allows for forensic reconstruction in the event you have a theft, or a person claims injury or assault while in your studio (all of this assumes you have a properly designed, installed, maintained and operated system)
- If the cameras are visible, provides some deterrence to thefts, etc.

Now, the cons:
- You have to analyze if the cost of a system is more than the potential loss from theft, etc.  In other words, is the system cost-effective.
- If the cameras are visible, the knowledge that the model has that they are being recorded can inhibit their creativity, etc.  Also, because you might be recording the shoot, expect to be charged for that in modeling fees as well
- If the cameras are not visible, and you do not advise and get consent from the model of that, expect legal problems under privacy laws, wiretap laws, etc.

I would suggest consulting with a security professional in your area for advice.

The system will always be cost effective to me. 
I would easily pay $1000 to find out who stole a $40 item from me. (that's just me.)
Again, this is for general photography...if a small camera mounted in the corner of a ceiling inhibits their creativity, I have no chance with my lens 3 ft away from their face...i've got the wrong model.
The cameras would be visible and I would have proper signage in place.

Apr 03 12 10:56 am Link

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MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

JBerman Photography wrote:
The system will always be cost effective to me. 
I would easily pay $1000 to find out who stole a $40 item from me. (that's just me.)
Again, this is for general photography...if a small camera mounted in the corner of a ceiling inhibits their creativity, I have no chance with my lens 3 ft away from their face...i've got the wrong model.
The cameras would be visible and I would have proper signage in place.

If I were a model, I would just walk away.

Is there one in change room?. Maybe another in the bathroom?
If I were your friend, I'd ask to cover them. If I were a guest in your house, I would ask to switch them off. If I were your assistant..I'd have no choice.

Apr 03 12 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 12965

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

I've used them from time to time in around the house and studio.

Around the house when I had an ongoing neighbor issue.
(Showing the police the dumb shit they did on/to my property tended to deflect their accusations on the many occasions they sent officers to visit me)

And at my studio to record the neighborhood kids trying to break in.
(my old semi decrepit church studio is a teenager magnet)

Never felt the need to use them inside though......
not too many places and escort can go that I can't see them in my studio.
And I don't leave valuables around the place.

Apr 03 12 06:23 pm Link

Photographer

R80

Posts: 2660

Marceline, Missouri, US

I have two surveillance cameras in the studio.  One covers the lobby, one, the storage area and shoot room.  Neither covers the dressing room and both are only on when the studio is unoccupied.

I've been both burgled and ripped off before.  The next person caught on camera trying either, I intend to hammer to the full effect of the law.
"You do the crime, you do the time."

Both are excellent night vision capable so hopefully if someone does break in while we're out, I can get a good image.

Apr 03 12 11:15 pm Link

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JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

MKPhoto wrote:

If I were a model, I would just walk away.

Is there one in change room?. Maybe another in the bathroom?
If I were your friend, I'd ask to cover them. If I were a guest in your house, I would ask to switch them off. If I were your assistant..I'd have no choice.

I did say in your "studio" not your home.
How is this different than any other business...next time you're in a hair salon, bar, hardware store, gym, etc... and see a camera in the ceiling, would question if they had one in the bathroom??

Apr 04 12 07:04 am Link

Model

Ronin_LLC

Posts: 2012

Louisville, Kentucky, US

A CCTV system is not a bad ideal in any business. However this does provide a unique problem.

In the US, not sure about other countries; its is illegal to put cameras in restrooms, changing/dressing rooms or locker rooms, or any other area in which people can be unknowingly recorded while naked or undressing.

Since you maybe doing various types of shoots in your studio, the issue of putting a camera in here is a awkward one.
You could put one in and as others have said, alert your models to that. Which may or may not result in refusals to do shoots or a increase in what the model is paid.

If you DON'T tell the models/whoever that you have a camera recording them possibly while naked you open your self up to a ton of legal problems which you do not need.
When in doubt cover your butt.

As for the couple of posters who said they turn their system on and off, that kind of defeats the purpose of a System.

Another alternative; is an old gas station trick. Buy fake cameras. These look like real security cameras however they are nothing but a plastic mock up and a battery powered blinking light. Unless you get right up to them most people can not tell the difference and will detour most people who see them.
http://shoptronics.com/svat-isc300-imit … TAodbkQGcg

There is a draw back to this as they are not real and can not record video.

Just a thought.

Apr 04 12 07:28 am Link

Photographer

MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

JBerman Photography wrote:
I did say in your "studio" not your home.
How is this different than any other business...next time you're in a hair salon, bar, hardware store, gym, etc... and see a camera in the ceiling, would question if they had one in the bathroom??

Yes, maybe they have one to see what people are doing while washing their hands. Not in a stall, no.

OK then, if youit is so important. But are there CCTV in hair salons and bars and gyms in your area?  If there are, sorry you live in a place where you even contemplate such a thing.  This kind of thinking leads to CCTV in dental offices and classrooms and who knows where else. But that's OK if you want to be part of a big brother. It is a slippery slope, though.

Apr 04 12 08:18 am Link

Photographer

Mac Wolff

Posts: 3665

Litchfield Park, Arizona, US

JBerman Photography wrote:
The system will always be cost effective to me. 
I would easily pay $1000 to find out who stole a $40 item from me. (that's just me.)
Again, this is for general photography...if a small camera mounted in the corner of a ceiling inhibits their creativity, I have no chance with my lens 3 ft away from their face...i've got the wrong model.
The cameras would be visible and I would have proper signage in place.

100

Apr 04 12 08:32 am Link

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A_Nova_Photography

Posts: 8652

Winston-Salem, North Carolina, US

Erlinda wrote:

Camera's in your house? Thats just creepy to me. I can understand at work and studio but at home why? An alarm system is usually enough. You have a girlfriend/wife that you don't trust and need to watch their every move? tongue ahahahahahahaha

The cameras are outside, not inside and like anything else, it's one layer of protection...

Apr 04 12 08:55 am Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

MKPhoto wrote:

Yes, maybe they have one to see what people are doing while washing their hands. Not in a stall, no.

OK then, if youit is so important. But are there CCTV in hair salons and bars and gyms in your area?  If there are, sorry you live in a place where you even contemplate such a thing.  This kind of thinking leads to CCTV in dental offices and classrooms and who knows where else. But that's OK if you want to be part of a big brother. It is a slippery slope, though.

Yes, I live in NYC and cannot walk down the street without being filmed.
Unfortunately, I live in a very letigious society. 
If I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm not worried about big brother.

Apr 04 12 09:21 am Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

JBerman Photography wrote:
If I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm not worried about big brother.

""Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Lord Acton

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

Apr 04 12 11:03 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Ronin_LLC wrote:
In the US, not sure about other countries; its is illegal to put cameras in restrooms, changing/dressing rooms or locker rooms, or any other area in which people can be unknowingly recorded while naked or undressing.

I thinik you are mistating the law, and it is also not uniform in every state.

Apr 04 12 11:14 am Link

Photographer

MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
""Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Lord Acton

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

+google

Also, the irony of surveillance is that so often is of too low quality to identify/recognize the perpetrator. 5'10" medium built, hoodie and sunglasses wink

Apr 04 12 11:23 am Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

MKPhoto wrote:

+google

Also, the irony of surveillance is that so often is of too low quality to identify/recognize the perpetrator. 5'10" medium built, hoodie and sunglasses wink

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/elderly- … e-11463180

Apr 04 12 11:30 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

MKPhoto wrote:
+google

Also, the irony of surveillance is that so often is of too low quality to identify/recognize the perpetrator. 5'10" medium built, hoodie and sunglasses wink

I have seen surveillance video that is very good.

Apr 04 12 11:35 am Link

Photographer

Photographe

Posts: 2351

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

JBerman Photography wrote:
Does anyone have a surveillance system in their studio that records all activity?
When you walk into most places of business, they record everything.
A recent thread about a theft by an escort got me thinking about this.
I see lots of positives...
you can figure out what happened if anything "dissappears", you have footage if a model accuses you of improper behavior or claims that she fell in your studio and can no longer work because of her injuries...
But are there any negatives??? 
I understand issues if you're shooting nudes, erotic, etc...but in a general studio, why not?

Dilemma.

CCTV in changing area? People are in the habit of leaving valuables in the changing area, I'm not sure how many MM models feel good about changing in front of CCTV

Apr 04 12 11:44 am Link

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Cinema Photography

Posts: 4488

Boulder, Colorado, US

Erlinda wrote:

Camera's in your house? Thats just creepy to me. I can understand at work and studio but at home why? An alarm system is usually enough. You have a girlfriend/wife that you don't trust and need to watch their every move? tongue ahahahahahahaha

Good friend was robbed blind..they had a few cameras in the house, mostly because of wanting to have a way to check on the nanny and the kids etc, nothing nefarious mind you. Anyways, the thief turned out to be a neighbor and was caught and convicted. All because they had a few cameras covering a few rooms.

Apr 04 12 11:54 am Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

Rollo David Snook wrote:

Dilemma.

CCTV in changing area? People are in the habit of leaving valuables in the changing area, I'm not sure how many MM models feel good about changing in front of CCTV

NO...not in the changing area or the restrooms...in the general studio.

Apr 04 12 11:56 am Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

cinema photography wrote:

Good friend was robbed blind..they had a few cameras in the house, mostly because of wanting to have a way to check on the nanny and the kids etc, nothing nefarious mind you. Anyways, the thief turned out to be a neighbor and was caught and convicted. All because they had a few cameras covering a few rooms.

Bravo...that's what I'm talking about!

Apr 04 12 11:57 am Link

Photographer

Eralar

Posts: 1781

Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada

If I was renting a studio with equipment, I would also get a camera or two pointing the entrance, and one more covering the storage, as was said before. But of course, none in the shooting area... that would be disrespectful.

And if it was the kind of blind rental (no one on the premises), would always be on and recording. It's hard to get out of the door with studio flashes and stuff like that without being seen on the camera... and with the reservation system, you know who had access to the studio at the time of robbery if it happened during business hours.

Apr 04 12 12:23 pm Link

Photographer

Photographe

Posts: 2351

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

Erlinda wrote:
Camera's in your house?

Welcome to Broken Britain. Anniversary of the Titanic. Seen "28 days later"?

Apr 04 12 12:31 pm Link

Model

Ronin_LLC

Posts: 2012

Louisville, Kentucky, US

ei Total Productions wrote:
I thinik you are mistating the law, and it is also not uniform in every state.

yeah....
http://www.safetysecurities.com/securit … -laws.html

Apr 04 12 12:34 pm Link

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Stereo Visions

Posts: 75

Ukiah, California, US

Cameras don't keep people honest, I have installed many video security systems for clients and more often than not it is the employees they catch and they know the cameras are there.

Apr 04 12 04:28 pm Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

Just keep it out of the dressing area and the restroom.

Apr 05 12 05:44 pm Link