T A Y L O R  wrote:
Stuff

I'm in Austin in a month, alcohols?

Paige Morgan wrote:
Respectful will always get you further than entitled. I would've chosen the photographer behind door number 2 as well.

I'll totally put up with entitled.
It's really that entitled usually comes along with a complete lack of attempt to work with the model on what they need.

Damianne wrote:

I'm in Austin in a month, alcohols?

I've pretty much needed to gush about Will with you for 2 years. It's a date, and I'm buying! (Remind me to wear really tall heels, you amazon's leave us Hobbit's feeling inadequate.)

Faulty Focus wrote:
Taylor,  that photographer was arrogant and a fool.  I was not sure what "365" was, but read your profile and clued in. Great idea and would be interesting to be a part of it.

Thanks!

I'm excited about it.

T A Y L O R  wrote:

I've pretty much needed to gush about Will with you for 2 years. It's a date, and I'm buying! (Remind me to wear really tall heels, you amazon's leave us Hobbit's feeling inadequate.)

I love Will, he's my very first multi-shoot photographer, and like the third person I ever worked with.

Done!

*stops jacking own thread*

Damianne wrote:

I'm in Austin in a month, alcohols?

When ??? Not for drinks... but for a shoot !!!

T A Y L O R  wrote:
HIM
04/17/12 2:51 PM   
would you like to make some art together?

lulz

hartcons wrote:
maybe the world is changing and nice guys don't always finish last. didn't see that coming. lol.

+1 not anymore... and chivalry isn't dead, if you find the right princess.

Always been the nice guy, and although im not completely winning right now. I'm def ahead of the game. My wife taught me the value of humility, and not being afraid to go out on a limb and ask nicely.

I have a beautiful wife, extraordinarily talented (model/photographer/mother) two wonderful boys, we aren't wealthy, but we are living within our means, I am a semi-successful hiphop artist, model, photographer, and recently MUA. - My days are spent trying to realize the dreams of myself, and those around me. (+/- 80% of my offline social network are MM members)

although, being Mr. Nice guy hasn't always been rainbows and unicorns... I've had my heart broken, cheated on multiple times in highschool because I was celibate. I've been screwed over by so called 'friends' for money, girls, fame (literally: fame) more recently: I was screwed over by my lying ass boss, and lost my job... and the worst part is: its my fellow employees, and more importanly: Customers that will ultimately suffer.

- ultimate though: I wouldn't change anything. Nice guys don't always finish first, but we ALWAYS place in the top #3. :p

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anyways... ive been long winded, and slightly off topic.

thanks for posting the breakdown on your shooting choices. Its helpful not just as a model/photographer scenario, but also as a social commentary.

Michael Scot wrote:
*clears throat*
"We haven't officially met but I'm a sudent of many arts, and would love it if sometime you would like to help me with some long term projects.  The pay is low, and the work is hard, but I'm...I'm uhm...Yeah, I got nothing here, help me out.  Let me know if you're interested" 

Haha. I'd give that message (if I got it) points for humor and ask about the details. What a photographer lacks in experience or budget can be made up for in chemistry, and that's called 'growing together' ; )

Damianne wrote:
Two people contacted me this week with trade offers, and I thought I would share, as it says a lot about how I choose shoots and I think about how others do too. Other models may agree/disagree.

Message 1: came from a relatively successful commercial photographer, has some pretty good work he's produced, does a lot of local advertisement work and some big name band photography.
Message 2: came from a student photographer just looking to build a portfolio, doesn't have a lot to show for it.

Message 1 conversation (long conversation so I'll bullet point):
- MM portfolio has no photos in it (I had to confirm externally who he is)
- He asked if I've ever done nudes (obviously did not look at my portfolio)
- Asked me to do "somewhat erotic" work and refused to clarify.
- When I declined, wanted to do simple studio nudes, as he wants to "break into" doing them.
- When I explained that I would need a more involved, team shoot to have it be worthwhile to trade for me, but I had rates if he wasn't interested in doing all of that work, went on a long rant about how he doesn't pay models, they pay him.
- Wants to meet up without a shoot set or even agreed to.
- General lack of communication.
- Continued to put simple studio nude offers out there, like high key, single light hard shadows, projection images, and bodypainting, after I explained what I do and do not need for my portfolio.

In the end, this conversation was more "work for free" and not "trade with me".

Message 2:
"Hey we haven't officially met but we have worked with quite a few of the same ppl

I'm learning photography now
and would love it if in early may you would like to be one of 12 girls to model earrings an hair acc. For a custom accessory designer out of B.C. I know  -and I'll take the photos of course
Think......
Head shots and beauty mixed together to sell the pieces you will be modeling
( and your payment will be 1 of the pieces you shoot in)

Let me know if your interested"

- Subsequent conversation lead to a how long the shoot will be (a couple of hours).

Now, neither is really more likely to get me useable images than the other, but the second message had the elements of a trade request. Here's what I'm doing, here's why, here's how long it will take, here's what I can offer you.
The first was "do what I want, you should want to".


I accepted the second shoot, I'm totally ok with spending a couple of hours of my time for an interesting accessory that I otherwise would have just been lounging about.
I requested that the first person look for someone else, because I am really being offered nothing.
If I were just going by experience or even photography, I would accept the first shoot request, but that's really not what I wanted to do.


I just.. I just thought it was a good example of the difference in a trade request vs. a "work for free" request, and how to get a model to accept your offer to shoot.
Explain what you're doing and what the model is getting, all of that.

You're getting a piece of jewelry, so I would hardly call that a 'free" or trade shoot. But your point is well taken, that a rational discussion is paramount to a yes or no.

pullins photography wrote:

You're getting a piece of jewelry, so I would hardly call that a 'free" or trade shoot. But your point is well taken, that a rational discussion is paramount to a yes or no.

The first message was a "work for free" discussion, as compensating me in photos seemed to not even be a blip on this photographer's radar.
The second on is trade for jewelry, so a trade shoot.

T A Y L O R  wrote:

Thanks!

I'm excited about it.

Have not heard of this version of the 365.
After reading your casting call and looking at your portfolio, oh hell yeah!  LOL! 
Too bad you live so far away!
(Then again, it is only an 8 hour drive, each way.  I have driven a lot further, for less reason! )

Damianne wrote:
I just.. I just thought it was a good example of the difference in a trade request vs. a "work for free" request, and how to get a model to accept your offer to shoot.
Explain what you're doing and what the model is getting, all of that.

Thank you!

Its people like you who are willing to take a chance on an up & coming "nobody" (like I once was) & where in the grand scheme of things the situation is more of a benefit to me than to you, that helped me get to where I am now.