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When I pay a model to shoot for me, how many edited photos would you give them from the shoot? Some photographers I've seen say, if they pay the model, they don't owe them any photos from the shoot? Jul 10 12 04:37 am Link When I pay a model I very rarely give pics. The way I look at it is if you buy a new car do you let the dealer keep it and drive it for their buisness meetings? Jul 10 12 04:45 am Link Typically 0. Occasionally I have a model ask to use a shot or two they really like, which I'm fine with. Sometimes I just feel like sharing so I'll send over a few edits. It's never really expected though. Do whatever makes you comfortable. You're paying! Jul 10 12 04:50 am Link Why would you pay a model for the privilege of updating her portfolio for her? Jul 10 12 04:52 am Link It's up to you.. Do what you feel comfortable with.. Jul 10 12 04:52 am Link This is of course completely negotiable and the idea is to come to an agreement between you and the model that works best for both of you. If I were paying a model I would generally start with I give her cash and no photos. If she proposes a reduced rate, but also receiving some photos I am open to that. I have done this with MUAs in the past. It really depends on why I am paying the model instead of doing TFP: For example, one reason I might pay a model rather than doing TFP is to give me the freedom to experiment completely and not worry about failing so badly that nothing turns out well. In this case I would not want to be on the hook for providing the model with any photos as this would defeat the purpose of the shoot. Jul 10 12 04:54 am Link Photos and money are both something of value that can be used for compensating a model for her time. They are not mutually exclusive. Offer which ever of what ever combination works best for you. I like to include some photos as it helps me negotiate a lower rate, because I have the images anyways and because I feel it benefits both of us for her to use photos I've taken. However, for some photographers the whole reason to offer cash is to avoid having the obligation to deliver photos. Jul 10 12 06:11 am Link If a model is paid they should pay you for any shots they want from the shoot . Jul 10 12 06:20 am Link Ehhhh...I typically e-mail the model several of the best pics for their MM and FetLife ports. I make my money from my websites and giving the model some of the better images is like free advertising for me. Just what works for me. Jul 10 12 06:45 am Link None. The whole reason I would pay a model is because I don't have the time to deal with a trade shoot. Would I send them the images I picked for my book? I may unless I am submitting them to publications. Jul 10 12 06:53 am Link I never give images to models if I have to pay them.. I do let them know that up front and many are shocked to hear that.. I mention, if we collaborate on the images then you can sit in with the first edit and you will get some of the images.. I do not give away RAW's or Tiffs. Jul 10 12 06:55 am Link Cratos Creative Images wrote: Not going to get into it but just keep in mind that photographs absolutely DO have a value. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. Embrace that fact and negotiate accordingly. Jul 10 12 07:06 am Link In general when I have been paid I did not expect to receive images as the payment was my compensation. There were a couple occasions in which I agreed to a lower rate in addition to a few photos. Many times photographers do send me images from a paid shoot, but almost always these are images they have selected. It is generally accepted to my knowledge that you should not be required or expected to send a model photos if you paid the model (unless you came to some other agreement). If you do send them photos, these are just a bonus. Jul 10 12 07:28 am Link I usually give photos as part of the payment.Since i can't pay them a lot. Jul 10 12 07:34 am Link If I think the shots would be of use to the model, and there are no contractual reasons why I shouldn't, then I will often send out free prints or email pics. The files have my logo on them, the prints have labels on the back with contact details. I think it's a good way of getting my work seen by people in the business. Jul 10 12 07:39 am Link when i pay a model i normally give them the ones i retouch for myself but i don't give them a proofing gallery and let them choose the way i would for TF. so, yeah, basically when you pay you don't owe them any images. some choose to give images anyway for exposure or because they like the model. and it depends on how much you pay. if you just pay gas money then maybe that's more TF with a tip than a paid shoot. Jul 10 12 07:40 am Link Everyone I work with gets some images, paid or trade doesn't matter to me. I let some models and MUAs pick what they like. OP, you should do whatever you feel comfortable with, there is no one correct way to handle this. Jul 10 12 07:43 am Link As a model who gets paid to shoot, I will say that I never EVER EVER ask for photos from the shoot. You pay for them, they're yours. However, I do get a number of photographers who do pay me to shoot that send me images from the shoot and feel extremely flattered for me to put them in my port if I choose to do so. You have to think about it in a business sense. Does the model who you've paid get a lot of recognition and views? Will you in their portfolio in turn get you more work? If so, yes it would be better for you. If the model wouldn't use the images anyway, don't worry yourself about it. However, if you negotiate rates, then images should be included in payment because the model did not receive full value for the pictures. Just my $0.02 Jul 10 12 07:44 am Link Dekilah wrote: I have never had a problem giving a model a few photos from a paid shoot. Jul 10 12 07:44 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: This. Jul 10 12 07:51 am Link Cratos Creative Images wrote: If you pay a model, you don't give any photos unless you want to... so the answer is ZERO. But the model is welcomed to any photo I upload. Jul 10 12 08:00 am Link I almost always send pictures unless the model demands them. Then I just don't shoot with them. Jul 10 12 08:06 am Link If you don't give her pictures, how is she supposed to upload them to Facebook and market you to all her friends? Jul 10 12 09:21 am Link Christoper Ross wrote: "Hey friends this great photographer created some beautiful images of me that he gave me and payed me X dollars, contact him for free work now" Jul 10 12 09:33 am Link Christoper Ross wrote: Why would a photographer pay for that? What's she going to market for you? That this guy will pay you and give you free photos? Jul 10 12 09:33 am Link AJScalzitti wrote: This too. Jul 10 12 09:34 am Link Tiffiney C wrote: This is all fine and dandy for the vast majority of MM photographers who pay models just so they can have pretty pictures for their MM portfolio. Jul 10 12 09:39 am Link Don't be a sucker ... most model's will ask . they even will ask for unedited photo's like it is thier first time to the carnival. nothing wrong with giving a few but dont think for a min that they dont know they are not intittled to anything but will ask thinking that photographers that are new are stupid .. just be smart about it as its your time . Jul 10 12 09:45 am Link Cratos Creative Images wrote: It's up to you. If they use images you give them it could turn into other paying shoots for you. Others are just set in their ways and think paying the models is enough. Jul 10 12 09:49 am Link Its your call.. As long as you pay what you promised, the rest is a tip.  Jul 10 12 09:51 am Link John Jebbia wrote: It's basic, common sense. If you're so established that you can't sleep for people knocking down your door to pay you for shoots I guess trying to keep your name out isn't as much of a priority. Otherwise, I'll put my signature on web images in hopes that someone else sees my work and wants to pay for a shoot. So far, it is effective. Jul 10 12 09:52 am Link John Jebbia wrote: There was a model a couple of weeks ago that wanted me to pay her to shoot a concept she came up with... Jul 10 12 09:53 am Link AJScalzitti wrote: I'd happily take the time to point dozens of people to my rates page if it meant that I'd get one extra paid booking out of a model posting my work to Facebook, it's easy marketing. Jul 10 12 09:55 am Link When they pay me I rarely get photos, they pay me cash. so that's it. I've been getting so many paid gigs lately that I never have time to shoot just for myself, thus no new pics for me  Jul 10 12 10:01 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: I'm in the business of selling photos, not photo shoots. Jul 10 12 10:01 am Link You guys wonder why the good models won't do TFP? Because they have lines of suckers who give them money and photos. That's why. Jul 10 12 10:03 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: Are you saying you got paid jobs, from people who saw a photo you have taken, on a model's portfolio? From models you have paid? Jul 10 12 10:03 am Link Christoper Ross wrote: Sure, sounds like a good deal. Has it worked for you? Jul 10 12 10:06 am Link Greg Kolack wrote: I'm seeing that more and more too. Nothing cracks me up more than seeing a model with "Paid Shoots Only" and then a list of things she wants to shoot. Jul 10 12 10:13 am Link Red Sky Photography wrote: What he said Jul 10 12 10:18 am Link |
