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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

from the height of a chair seat or table top. Not too high.

What do you think would be a good way to safely break their fall? Whatever it is can be in frame. I want a 'levitation' effect without looking like they are on a pedestal, and without looking like they are going to land on their feet. I can shoot from a tripod and remove the cushion in a later photo.

Something I can bring to a studio or outdoor location without too much difficulty.

Aug 12 12 05:41 pm Link

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Wolfy4u

Posts: 1103

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

Don't do it until you're absolutely sure that your method of breaking the fall works.
I'm a trombone player and once fell backwards in a chair off a six inch raiser onto grass.
It was an hour before my thinking was clear. It's more dangerous than it seems.
Have you thought of having someone catch the llama, then editing out the catcher?
Another idea that comes to mind is a tampoline. But I'm not sure if you could get one close enough, and if that's even safe.
Good luck,

Aug 12 12 05:51 pm Link

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GH-Photography

Posts: 9424

Jacksonville, Florida, US

First thing that comes to mind is a mattress.

But maybe my brother and I just played "stuntman" to much as kids...

Aug 12 12 05:53 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Wolfy4u wrote:
Don't do it until you're absolutely sure that your method of breaking the fall works.

I know. I'm having a hard time imagining something reliable.

Aug 12 12 05:55 pm Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 8049

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Shoot 'em at a lake, falling off a dock.

Aug 12 12 05:58 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Maybe the pedestal technique is best, combined with a fan or two for hair and clothing.

Aug 12 12 05:58 pm Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

PhillipM wrote:
Shoot 'em at a lake, falling off a dock.

I thought of that. or my pool. But only get one take, then.

Aug 12 12 05:59 pm Link

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KMP

Posts: 4834

Houston, Texas, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
from the height of a chair seat or table top. Not too high.

What do you think would be a good way to safely break their fall? Whatever it is can be in frame. I want a 'levitation' effect without looking like they are on a pedestal, and without looking like they are going to land on their feet. I can shoot from a tripod and remove the cushion in a later photo.

Something I can bring to a studio or outdoor location without too much difficulty.

You're in LA.. There must be more than one stuntman company you can contact for info. and the deflating pads they use in falls. IF you want to go to that expense...

Aug 12 12 06:03 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

12' - 14' trampoline.  Without that sissy net.

Aug 12 12 06:03 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:
12' - 14' trampoline.  Without that sissy net.

My neighbor has one in his yard. Maybe I should go say hi.

Aug 12 12 06:05 pm Link

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Vector One Photography

Posts: 3722

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Falling into water is a really dumb idea. Water does not compress and is NOT a shock absorber.  Professionally they use large stiff foam blocks (acrobats and tumblers) or taped shut empty corrugated cardboard boxes (stunt men short falls) or air bags (long fall).

Aug 12 12 06:08 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
You're in LA.. There must be more than one stuntman company you can contact for info. and the deflating pads they use in falls. IF you want to go to that expense...

Those are for really high falls. Last shoot I was at that required a stuntman to fall backwards they used cardboard boxes.

Aug 12 12 06:10 pm Link

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GH-Photography

Posts: 9424

Jacksonville, Florida, US

Maybe talk to someone who owns a gymnastics studio or gym. The one we used to go to had tons of equipment used to break falls during practice.

Some skate parks and parkour gyms also have foam pits used for training.

You are in LA right.
http://tempestacademy.com/facility

Aug 12 12 06:21 pm Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

I required about the same height fall for a video.

Had a set of closed cell work place floor mats and a set of open cell 2" foam 3x6 sheets. Two layers of close cell provided a solid cushion and two layers of the 2" open cell slowed the speed down. The actor had no problems falling with force on that combination.

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/cata … _14950.jpg

Aug 12 12 06:44 pm Link

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Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

What about one of those air bounce rental places? Like what you see at kids birthday partys? Maybe they have something that is more like a big flat dealio?

Aug 12 12 07:01 pm Link

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MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Greg Holt Photography wrote:
Maybe talk to someone who owns a gymnastics studio or gym. The one we used to go to had tons of equipment used to break falls during practice.

Some skate parks and parkour gyms also have foam pits used for training.

You are in LA right.
http://tempestacademy.com/facility

+1

Foam pit.
Snow bank.

Trampoline is a whiplash and neck breaking device. Matresses and inflatables are  OK only when people know what to do with their heads when falling on their back.

You will need someone with practice to fall back straight, without instinctively bending at the waist.

edit: It's about falling back only.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
12' - 14' trampoline.  Without that sissy net.

That's a negligence causing bodily harm advice, unless you were sarcastic...

Aug 12 12 07:27 pm Link

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David Desoer

Posts: 148

Cayuga, Ontario, Canada

Aug 12 12 07:32 pm Link

Photographer

Designit - Edward Olson

Posts: 1708

West Hollywood, California, US

What you're talking about IS A STUNT. It wouldn't be safe for an average person to attempt. 9 times out of 10, an average person would be okay. It's the 1 time out of 10 you have to worry about.

Hire a person with the proper training, have INSURANCE because there is always the possibility of injury, hire someone who can provide all the necessary safety equipment. This usually would be done with a thick tumbling pad.

Aug 12 12 07:35 pm Link

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Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

you have two solutions:

(a) go with the cardboard boxes - they work really well

(b) get a judo exponent to teach the model how to break a backwards fall - it is actually a very simple skill to acquire and takes about 10 mins to learn.  If you learn judo, it is the very first thing that is taught (breaking a forwards fall is the second thing).

Aug 13 12 07:05 am Link

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WMcK

Posts: 5298

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

What about a pile (maybe 3 deep) of air mattresses?

Aug 13 12 01:08 pm Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 8049

Nashville, Tennessee, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

I thought of that. or my pool. But only get one take, then.

Well?

Then do it right the first take .....

LOL

Aug 13 12 01:13 pm Link

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Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I'd make sure your insurance is current.

Aug 13 12 01:15 pm Link

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PhotographybyT

Posts: 7947

Monterey, California, US

I would just place something like a 3 foot narrow board on 2 blocks in front of a white background and have the model position herself on it as far on the edge as possible to see what that looks like.

Falling backwards and not landing right can be slightly dangerous or cause some unwanted soreness/pain.

Aug 13 12 01:23 pm Link

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MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

https://anatomiadellirrequietezza.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/samtaylorwood425.jpg

https://lh4.ggpht.com/_VNVO-EjD5c0/S4L2C4LeebI/AAAAAAAAGAA/IK5t0yu62sQ/sam-taylor-wood-bram-stokers-chair-vii-2005-a3-1337.jpg

Sam Taylor-Wood did a whole series and she used wire and harnesses.

Aug 13 12 01:37 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

MMDesign wrote:
https://anatomiadellirrequietezza.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/samtaylorwood425.jpg

https://lh4.ggpht.com/_VNVO-EjD5c0/S4L2C4LeebI/AAAAAAAAGAA/IK5t0yu62sQ/sam-taylor-wood-bram-stokers-chair-vii-2005-a3-1337.jpg

Sam Taylor-Wood did a whole series and she used wire and harnesses.

I want the hair to trail the falling head, not lead it. Probably would use a fan.

Aug 13 12 01:50 pm Link

Photographer

Warren Leimbach

Posts: 3223

Tampa, Florida, US

Rent crash pads from a gymnastics school.

Aug 13 12 04:25 pm Link

Model

Anna Adrielle

Posts: 18763

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

a matrass (or 2) should be just fine

look for a model who has experience with this smile

they actually did falling shots on ANTM once, and that was from quite high

I know the endresult isn't what you mean, but it's just an example of girls jumping and falling from something quite high to produce a shot smile. see if you can find the episode on youtube to see how they arranged everything with the cushion

https://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSgawkj3zmkm-9Xwcs085C4VjhCKPIzs6ZPFt1YjQbyNs8BidFvH0_FPmDrw

Aug 13 12 04:32 pm Link

Model

Dawn-Marie94

Posts: 453

Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada

yep mattress sounds good...Or thick piece of foam?

Aug 13 12 04:38 pm Link

Photographer

MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

You also have all the range of "levitation" that rope riggers can offer.

Aug 13 12 04:57 pm Link

Photographer

GeorgeMann

Posts: 1148

Orange, California, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
from the height of a chair seat or table top. Not too high.

What do you think would be a good way to safely break their fall? Whatever it is can be in frame. I want a 'levitation' effect without looking like they are on a pedestal, and without looking like they are going to land on their feet. I can shoot from a tripod and remove the cushion in a later photo.

Something I can bring to a studio or outdoor location without too much difficulty.

Contact Anais MM # 1122691 she did it for me landing on a futon. She set it up herself and performed magnificently. Truly an innovative Lady to work with.

Aug 13 12 06:01 pm Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

I know. I'm having a hard time imagining something reliable.

Air mattress.

Aug 13 12 08:33 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Just be careful.   Even with something to break their fall, if they hit the wrong way, they can be injured.  No film studio would do something like this without a stuntman or a stunt coordinator to be sure it was all planned safely.

I know you haven't got the budget for that, but think it all out carefully.  There is a great potential for serious injury.

Aug 13 12 09:30 pm Link

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Ryan South

Posts: 1421

Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US

MC Photo wrote:
Air mattress.

+2  I like the idea of more than one.  I'd also try to find somebody small and youngish and keep them slightly under inflated.  The mattresses that is.

Aug 13 12 09:42 pm Link

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William Kious

Posts: 8842

Delphos, Ohio, US

Mattresses (air or otherwise), trampolines, etc... they all have the potential for someone to "miss" and smack his/her head on the floor. You need something purpose-built. Maybe a pole vaulting "pit"?

Make sure that your liability insurance is paid up before you try it.

A haphazard shoot isn't worth fucking up someone's brain.

Aug 13 12 09:47 pm Link

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Jeff Cox Photography

Posts: 258

Santa Clara, California, US

natural beauties of qld wrote:
get a judo exponent to teach the model how to break a backwards fall - it is actually a very simple skill to acquire and takes about 10 mins to learn.  If you learn judo, it is the very first thing that is taught (breaking a forwards fall is the second thing).

1+

Aug 14 12 09:41 am Link

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Black Dog Studios RI

Posts: 287

Providence, Rhode Island, US

Eric Liffmann wrote:

+2  I like the idea of more than one.  I'd also try to find somebody small and youngish and keep them slightly under inflated.  The mattresses that is.

Don't stack air mattresses. The force of the fall will tend to scatter them, and your model may wind up landing on the floor/ground.

Aug 14 12 09:54 am Link

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GeorgeMann

Posts: 1148

Orange, California, US

Black Dog Studios RI wrote:

Don't stack air mattresses. The force of the fall will tend to scatter them, and your model may wind up landing on the floor/ground.

She is only falling 18 to 28 inches and a queen size air mattress is 9X52X80 ".
If she hits fairly close to center it is unlikely they will spread enough for her to slide off. The impact force will not be much more than falling from floor level.
Even one mattress, fully inflated, should handle the problem.
Test it first with a forward fall, by the photographer.

Aug 14 12 11:19 am Link

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Ezhini

Posts: 1626

Wichita, Kansas, US

Witha bit of PP, wire-harness-and-a-fan combo probably gives you the best results with at most safety - unless you wanna pass for a documentary photographer recording a real event as it occured.

Have fun.
Share the pictures if are able to.

Aug 14 12 02:02 pm Link

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Rhoma Lavenza

Posts: 97

Ithaca, New York, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
from the height of a chair seat or table top. Not too high.

What do you think would be a good way to safely break their fall? Whatever it is can be in frame. I want a 'levitation' effect without looking like they are on a pedestal, and without looking like they are going to land on their feet. I can shoot from a tripod and remove the cushion in a later photo.

Something I can bring to a studio or outdoor location without too much difficulty.

When I was a cheerleader I used those huge gym mats to fall on. Sometimes gyms will let you rent the mat.
Also, good luck finding a model who can fall backwards naturally. It's a hard thing to teach yourself. =P I trust fall onto my giant beanbag chair all the time. I sorta love/hate the feel of falling.

Aug 14 12 02:08 pm Link

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David Parsons

Posts: 972

Quincy, Massachusetts, US

Vector One Photography wrote:
Falling into water is a really dumb idea. Water does not compress and is NOT a shock absorber.  Professionally they use large stiff foam blocks (acrobats and tumblers) or taped shut empty corrugated cardboard boxes (stunt men short falls) or air bags (long fall).

If falling into water were that dangerous, no one would ever be able to jump into or dive into water.  The OP is talking about 3 or 4 feet, not 10 meters.

Aug 14 12 02:12 pm Link