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I offered a model a free photo shoot. With that comes the shoot n 5 edited photos. She just told me that she wants to do a shoot for suicide girls. Knowing that suicide girls will want more than 5 photos and that they will pay for the photos from her, how should I handle this? For any of my free shoots they get the 5 free edited photos and any photo after that is $15. Should I just keep that standard? Dec 30 12 12:31 pm Link Here comes the SG warning and hate... Dec 30 12 12:35 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: Given that you pretty much give up the copyright to anything submitted to SG, charge her what you want to be paid to never be able to use the images in your portfolio. I'd be charging more than SG is gonna pay her. Dec 30 12 12:38 pm Link In my experience there is very little upside to the photographer working with sites like Suicide Girls so it all depends on what you are hoping to gain here. If you really want to work with the model maybe offer her a trade. She spends one hour working on your project while you spend one hour working on her Suicide Girl set. Either that or offer her a flat rate for the set and then give her the rights to use the photos as she wishes. Dec 30 12 12:38 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: Keep the two shoots separate. The contract the model signs with SG, and then asks you to sign also basically removes your rights to use any and all of the photos from the shoot. Dec 30 12 12:38 pm Link Here's what I don't understand. If I don't sign anything with SG, why do I lose the rights to use the photos? Ill have the agreement between the model n myself saying we can both do what we want with the photos. She then has the agreement with SG, not me. Dec 30 12 01:19 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: As I understand it from when I looked into it after a model approached me, it's the photographer that submits. Dec 30 12 01:23 pm Link Until they try to get you to sign their release and they basically owe you shit, and own your photos....all is good. I ran the other way with those crooks. Dec 30 12 01:25 pm Link Extrosy wrote: Yes. Dec 30 12 01:25 pm Link Sorry to sound like a noob... But what's 'Suicide Girls' ? Dec 30 12 01:29 pm Link As everyone can tell I've never worked with SG. I thought the model did everything not the photographer. Dec 30 12 01:32 pm Link PR Zone wrote: Google it, but the easiest answer I can give, think of playboy but it's for girls with lots of tats. Dec 30 12 01:34 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: I'm not sure who submits the sets these days but bottom line SG requires exclusive content. Even if you don't sign anything do you really want to go toe to toe with a website that has deeper pockets than you? Dec 30 12 01:49 pm Link Maybe I should be the one that submits the photos. That way I know ill get paid for the photos. The more I think about it, the more I don't mind losing the rights. These aren't the type of photos I want to be known for. Dec 30 12 01:57 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: For $100? (before taxes, costs, etc). Not even worth your time tbh. Dec 30 12 02:22 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: You should read this. http://suicidegirls.com/models/faq/photographer/# Dec 30 12 05:21 pm Link Check out the Photographer FAQ for SG. http://suicidegirls.com/models/faq/photographer/ It's really only worth it if you think the publicity for doing a SG shoot will bring you more business. Or if you're really good and become one of their staff photographers (not an easy feat from what I hear). Dec 30 12 05:21 pm Link Please think hard and read every word before doing this. The model will sign a different contract. Here is the contract you will have to sign: This Intellectual Property Assignment (this “Assignment”) is entered into as of / / by and between SG Services, Inc. (“SG”) and (“Photographer”). WHEREAS, Photographer shot and owns certain photos identified in Section 1 below and Photographer has agreed to assign all rights, title, and interest in and to such photos to SG. NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the terms and the mutual promises herein and for other good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which are hereby acknowledged, SG and Photographer hereby agree as follows: 1. Photos. Photographer shot and owns the following photos: Number of photos in photoset: Description of photoset: Full name of model(s) appearing in photoset: Date photos were submitted to SG: The above photos shall be referred to herein as the “Photos”. 2. Assignment. Without reservation or limitation, Photographer hereby irrevocably transfers, sells, assigns, delivers and conveys to SG all rights, title and interest in and to the Photos as of the moment of the Photos creation and all rights, title and interest in and to the Photos in any format (e.g., paper or electronic) and all corresponding negatives or other component parts, whether or not delivered to SG. Photographer also grants SG its affiliates, agents, successors, licensees and assigns a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, irrevocable, fully paid up right and license to use Photographer’s name in connection with any Photos. No rights of any kind are reserved to or by Photographer or shall revert to Photographer who expressly waives any rights of attribution or integrity. 3. Consideration. Subject to Photographer’s fulfillment of Photographer’s obligations herein, SG shall provide Photographer with a free three (3) month membership to the SG website upon the full execution of this Assignment. 4. Representations and Warranties. Photographer represents and warrants that: (i) Photographer solely created the Photos; (ii) Photographer has good and valid title to the Photos, free and clear of all liens, claims, charges, claims of co-ownership, claims of infringement, restrictions and encumbrances; (iii) all clearances, releases, permits and consents necessary for SG’s use of the Photos have been obtained and that the use of any Photos does not (and will not) infringe, misappropriate or otherwise violate the rights of any person or entity; (iv) that Photographer has (and will) complied with all applicable international, federal, state, and local laws, regulations and rules (including, without limitation, obtaining and retaining such documentation from any person depicted in any Photos as is required by such laws, rules or regulations to verify such person’s identity, age and consent to be included in the Photos) and that all Photos comply with such laws, rules and regulations. 5. Confidentiality. Without prior written consent of SG, except to the extent required by an order of a court having competent jurisdiction, or under subpoena from a governmental body or agency, Photographer shall not disclose any trade secrets, proprietary information, customer lists, information regarding product development, marketing plans, financial records, or other financial, commercial, business, or technical information or records relating to SG, including but not limited to the terms of this Assignment (collectively, “Confidential Information”), to any third person, unless such Confidential Information has been previously disclosed to the public by SG or is in the public domain (other than by reason of Photographer’s breach of this Assignment or by a third party’s violation of its obligation of confidentiality). INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ASSIGNMENT 9/13/07 7. Indemnity. Photographer shall indemnify and hold harmless SG and its affiliates, employees, officers, directors, shareholders, licensees and agents from and against any damages, losses, costs, liabilities and/or expenses (including attorneys’ fees) which SG or such other party may incur as the result of any demand, claim, suit, action or proceeding made or brought against SG or such other party and based directly or indirectly on: (i) any Photos; (ii) the acts or omissions of Photographer; or (iii) Photographer’s breach of this Assignment. 8. Non-Competition. Photographer agrees that for two (2) years after the full execution of this Assignment, Photographer will not directly or indirectly: (i) sell or otherwise provide Internet, photographic, video, film, audio, text, design, artistic or other creative content to any “SG Competitor”; or (ii) own, manage, operate, join, control, finance or participate in the ownership, management, operation, control or financing of, or be connected as an officer, director, employee, partner, member, principal, agent, representative, consultant or otherwise, to any “SG Competitor”. “SG Competitor” means any person, entity or organization other than SG that competes with SG, including but not limited to any person, entity or organization that creates, develops, manufactures, produces, distributes, markets, licenses or sells events, products or services that compete with SG. 9. Non-Solicitation. Photographer agrees that for two (2) years after the full execution of this Assignment, Photographer will not hire (as an employee, agent or consultant) any employee, advisor or consultant of SG or directly or indirectly seek to persuade any employee, advisor or consultant of SG to discontinue his or her relationship with SG or to become involved with any business which is a SG Competitor, nor will Photographer assist anyone else to engage in any of the foregoing. 10. MISCELLANEOUS. Photographer is an independent contractor and nothing contained in this Assignment shall be construed to establish an employer/employee, partnership, agency or a joint venture relationship between Photographer and SG. Photographer shall acquire no right to use, and shall not use without SG’s express prior written consent, any SG intellectual property. For two (2) years after the full execution of this Assignment, Photographer agrees not to disparage SG in any manner. This Assignment shall be binding upon and shall inure to the benefit of the parties to this Assignment and their respective successors and assigns and constitutes the entire agreement between the parties and supersedes all prior and contemporaneous negotiations and agreements regarding the subject matter in the Assignment. No amendment to or modification of this Assignment will be valid and binding unless in writing signed by both parties. This Assignment shall be governed by and construed under the laws of the State of Oregon and the parties hereby consent to the exclusive jurisdiction of and venue in the courts sitting in Portland, Oregon. The parties have executed this Assignment to be effective as of the date first written above. AT THE TIME THAT PHOTOGRAPHER SIGNS THIS ASSIGNMENT, PHOTOGRAPHER AGREES THAT PHOTOGRAPHER IS EIGHTEEN (18) YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER. “Photographer” SIGNATURE PRINTED NAME DATE “SG” [OFFICE USE ONLY] SIGNATURE PRINTED NAME TITLE DATE It's really a SHIT contract for Non-Staff photographers, which you are. Understand 2. Assignment, 8. Non competition, and all other aspects of this completely ridiculous contract! Dec 30 12 05:27 pm Link Greg Holt Photography wrote: Buzz Photography LLC wrote: You will not be paid by SG! You get a three month free subscription to SG! Read 3. Consideration above! Dec 30 12 05:39 pm Link Extrosy wrote: Do you have something to tell us? Dec 30 12 05:46 pm Link C h a r l e s D wrote: If it sounded like I was going to defend SG, I was not. Only warning the OP of the oncoming storm. Dec 30 12 05:48 pm Link Thanks for your response. Dec 30 12 05:49 pm Link I want to thank everyone for all of this. Dec 30 12 05:55 pm Link I try to never sign anything longer than The Gettysburg Address. Dec 30 12 06:00 pm Link (deleted) Dec 30 12 06:01 pm Link If you check their website they pay the photographer $100 and pay the model $500 if the photos get set of the day. http://suicidegirls.com/models/faq/photographer/ http://suicidegirls.com/girlsfaq/ Don't let the model or anyone else bullshit you. If you like being paid 1/5 of what your shoot partner gets paid go for it. Dec 30 12 06:17 pm Link STT Photography wrote: Not trying to change the subject here but I don't get why the model should get paid more. After all the photographer has to set up, do the shoot, have the knowledge to do the shoot, tear down n them edit the photos. While the model does hair n makeup, does the shoot n then leaves. Dec 30 12 06:46 pm Link Buzz Photography LLC wrote: Probably because the model has to show her naked self on the internet and bares the brunt of the responsibility promoting herself. People subscribe to SG for the models not the photographers. Dec 30 12 06:50 pm Link check out zivity. lots of SG people on there. i've made about $500 so far and can use the photos other places. Dec 30 12 06:57 pm Link so I am member of SG and know quite a few SG photographers....here how it usually works...Although they frown on it, the llama can pay you for the photographs. And many llamas do. You CAN use the photos you took AS LONG AS it is not for a competing website, like Gods Girls or another alt porn site or used as a set in a set form like Zivity....it doesnt seem like you want to be a staff photographer so you really dont need to concern yourself with a lot of the legal matters, YOU are basically signing usage rights to SG. and the llama sends the set in not you. Now a lot photographers piss and moan about SG's contracts and are like oh thats bullshit but actually its really quite common. Lets say you take a photo for a band of say something other than the band members. The record company likes the photo and wants to use it for the album cover. Wellll you are going to have to sign a contract not unlike the SG's contract saying that they own the image, they can use the image however they want, you cannot resell the image to another band, or reproduce the image for say t shirts without permission from the record company etc. Most companies will over a one time payment, at that point other than promotion you cant use the images for squat....in all honestly people you bitch about SG's contract really have no concept of how the entertainment works. Any company will demand exclusive rights and usage to anything they think they can make money of off...period, and they dont give two shits about your "artistic" integrity. Now here is another reality check, the chances of the set you shoot making it the front page is small....So the whole concept of the llama gets paid and you dont is really kinda BS. If the llama pays you but the set doesnt get picked up then its the llama who gets fucked. So keep that in mine when charging her. Dec 30 12 07:01 pm Link ybfoto wrote: On their FAQ it says... ybfoto wrote: She's the one who wants to be "published" on SG, she's the one submitting the images and taking the gamble, so why should the photographer keep that in "mine" (mind)? Dec 30 12 07:15 pm Link I'm with TwoHarts. I've been a Zivity photographer for at least three years and make decent money. I've tried SG and never made a dime. Plus, I can use the photos as I please. Not going to get rich on Zivity but I love it and I'm having lots of fun with it. Much more user friendly than SG. Dec 30 12 07:29 pm Link I'm also on Zivity, but need to get some shoots sorted for it. The weather's been awful here this year, so havent been able to get out on location as much as id have liked, and there aren't many models local-ish to me that are on it or interested in it. Dec 30 12 07:55 pm Link The contract is pretty clear. Whether the set get's "Set o' the Day" or not, SG owns the photos. Dec 30 12 08:01 pm Link The contract is pretty clear. Whether the set get's "Set o' the Day" or not, SG owns the photos. 2. Assignment. Without reservation or limitation, Photographer hereby irrevocably transfers, sells, assigns, delivers and conveys to SG all rights, title and interest in and to the Photos as of the moment of the Photos creation and all rights, title and interest in and to the Photos in any format (e.g., paper or electronic) and all corresponding negatives or other component parts, whether or not delivered to SG. Photographer also grants SG its affiliates, agents, successors, licensees and assigns a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, irrevocable, fully paid up right and license to use Photographer’s name in connection with any Photos. No rights of any kind are reserved to or by Photographer or shall revert to Photographer who expressly waives any rights of attribution or integrity. Dec 30 12 08:02 pm Link Kaouthia wrote: 10 second search and looky what I found... https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/233144/viewall Dec 30 12 08:36 pm Link oh and to save you sometime yes she as SG photos own her personal website... Dec 30 12 08:38 pm Link Hey, if you wanna shoot for SG, go right ahead. I don't give a shit what you do. If a model comes to me asking to shoot for SG, they'll get a quote that'll make them ask somebody else, which is the way I want it. My time is worth more than what SG offer. Dec 30 12 08:48 pm Link wasn't a sells pitch mate Dec 30 12 09:12 pm Link ybfoto wrote: The contract signing ownership of the images over to SG overrides what one of their employees tells you. Makes me think of people joining the Army (... but my recruiter said ...). Dec 31 12 05:39 pm Link |
