Semora wrote:
It's funny because female photographers shoot mainly female as well.

Well, you raise an interesting couple of points.  First, most women who shoot models do shoot primarily women.  This is something that has been pondered in the media for a long time.  Even Playgirl is primarily shot by men, not women.

By making your statement, you have raised what is actually the anti-thesis to your very own comment.  If you include male nudes and pornography, far more men shoot men than women who shoot men.  Indeed, again, if you include porn, roughly as many men model in this country as women and there are probably more men shot nude as well.

So where does that leave us?  The question really has to be, why do more photographers on MM shoot women than men?  The answer is, because they shoot becuase they like it, most don't do it for a living.

In my case, I work full-time in the entertainment industry.  I will shoot whoever I am paid to shoot.  It is that simple.  I do mostly women because that is my client base but I have shot males on many occassions (of course, I do not get involved in pornography so that limits, to some extent, the requests for men).  I have worked on a beefcake calendar before as well.  I even did a pretty girl video once where we added in a sexy guy who played the part of an exotic dancer.  Whatever works.

Some of the members of MM enjoy working with males.  I am impressed with their work.  A few female photographers shoot males regularly and a few even shoot nudes.

In the end, for professionals, it comes down to money.  For semi-professionals, it comes down to what they like.  For GWC's, well we all know what it is about for them.

Just my view.  Oh well.

Brian Diaz wrote:

Of course you realize you're going directly into my actor headshot book...

woo hoo

I wonder how many profiles on MM have photos of me in them, I will have to do a search

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

Well, you raise an interesting couple of points.  First, most women who shoot models do shoot primarily women.  This is something that has been pondered in the media for a long time.  Even Playgirl is primarily shot by men, not women.

Just my view.  Oh well.

DUDE that was too long. But i get your point. i guess. Yeah..MMers they shoot women..well no..This is MODEL mayhem not nature mayhem or product mayhem. So i guess that's what would be displayed in their portfolio.
*whatever* Don't konw much about porn nor playboy or girl.

Brian Diaz wrote:
Also note this:  In NY (because I'm NYcentric) MM has 808 models, just 177 of which are male.  Just going by the numbers about 80% of any given photographer's models will be women.

But Brian that is only in the net model world. If you look at commercial print agencies like R&L http://www.r-lmodels.com/ in fact a survey of like 20,000 of their job request found that males were asked for 47% of the time. age 30 to 39 the most often asked for.




Just guess who the client was for that shot.

Semora wrote:
I always wondered why there are so many men photographers that refuse to shoot men?

I'm new and have shot with only a few male models, all were talented and well worth the effort to shoot. Two come to mind and are on this site, MM 3096 & 18271.

There are a few male models that are a pain in the ass to deal with. I find working with female models easier by 10 fold. In fact one male model asked me to set up a shoot with one of the models I have in my portfolio and has gone as far as contacting that female model to try to set up a shoot with her on his own.
Most female models are more then willing to listen to the photographer’s ideas and wardrobe choices but when you do the same with a male model, the conversation stops after the first or second time you put your ideas on the table.

I think were mostly all adults here and we all know that men and women are needed to sell products around the world.
Would I work with more male models in the future, yes, providing they bring to the shoot as much as a female model and if they don't care for certain ideas, let the photographer know instead of not responding.

Craig

Benny wrote:
craig i am very easy

Maybe that statement right there scares most men..lol I had to say that..my fingers wouldn't stop!

Dan Hood MM/Moderator wrote:

But Brian that is only in the net model world. If you look at commercial print agencies like R&L http://www.r-lmodels.com/ in fact a survey of like 20,000 of their job request found that males were asked for 47% of the time. age 30 to 39 the most often asked for.

You're absolutely right about that...

Dan wrote:
Just guess who the client was for that shot.

Frederick's of Hollywood?

JC wrote:
Semora you're an idiot.  Jesus Christ ,what a pathetic thread.

Lol that's a new name. I usually get something else. No it's not pathetic..lol most men in the PA area won't shoot men. Maybe i'm targeting a CERTAIN kind of male photographer..lol Leave Jesus out of it.

Dan Hood MM/Moderator wrote:
Well I didn't shoot men or woman with much frequency until like 5 years ago for the first 5 years of my professional career. Product illustration and architectural photography was my only bread & butter. It is still like half my income.

It was never about what I wanted. It's always about what the client wanted.

I've never looked at models as clients, models are co workers, art directors and photo editors are clients.

An example of product illustration.....in case you weren't sure what I meant.


this is the level im tryin to get to!
P.S. in case your wondering that shot like most of my product work was shot on 4" by 5" on film with no Photoshop. Old school...on film..in camera.. done right the first time....


The thing is though when you do this for a living you get right down to it, men or women, it's all just product.

Semora wrote:

Maybe that statement right there scares most men..lol I had to say that..my fingers wouldn't stop!

I was wondering who will be the first one to make a comment on that

Benny wrote:

I was wondering who will be the first one to make a comment on that

Me..i'm sorry. i couldn't help it!! gotta be the first :*

Semora wrote:

Me..i'm sorry. i couldn't help it!! gotta be the first :*

so you win and the prize is you get to use me as a prop for a photoshoot

Brian Diaz wrote:

Dan Hood MM/Moderator wrote:
But Brian that is only in the net model world. If you look at commercial print agencies like R&L http://www.r-lmodels.com/ in fact a survey of like 20,000 of their job request found that males were asked for 47% of the time. age 30 to 39 the most often asked for.

You're absolutely right about that...

Frederick's of Hollywood?

Well??? Who was it???

Benny wrote:

so you win and the prize is you get to use me as a prop for a photoshoot

hmm...I'mma keep that in mind when i shoot in new york in november!

Semora wrote:
Lol that's a new name. I usually get something else. No it's not pathetic..lol most men in the PA area won't shoot men. Maybe i'm targeting a CERTAIN kind of male photographer..lol Leave Jesus out of it.

Then maybe start a new thread targeting the male photographers in PA and ones whose names are not jesus or christ.
If this thread was based on your perception of the industry as you see it and it's only validation is the answers you get from an online chat type environment, then this is nothing more then a high school project and we should all feel like guinea pigs from being subjected to the original question.
I’m at a loss for words after reading your profile. Are you a model or a pimp?
Maybe I’m past my prime when a profile reads like a livejournal page.

I’m not in the habit of releasing prints to anyone without editing them, that’s not what I’d refer to as professional image control.

[quote from profile]
Looking for photographers...wait let me rephrase. HOT photographers(NY, PA, DE). drop your price in the box

looking for two looks 1 sexy 1 creative. Want dramatic studio lighting... In a corner setting, I will come to your studio/the studio and stage my scene

I'm paying so i can get GOOD quality. MuST HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY! Don't need prints. Just Disk. No editing. Total of 100 images good and bad ones (sometimes i like the bad ones..natural) Full quality.

Must be able to zoom 200X before complete distoration..so how many MP camera is that?

OR

Test Shoot With 2 images with Donation of $30

Why did you ask the question? Wait, I really don’t want to know.

wolff wrote:
Speaking of Photographying men, I had a great experience with Mike,  Jazz sax in NY and he was a great all around person to shoot also did  the rest of his quartet

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … 6119ac6196

woof wolf! nice shot!

JC wrote:
Semora you're an idiot.  Jesus Christ ,what a pathetic thread.

Mr. Christopher,

She asked a legit question why so few photographers are interested in shooting men. Perhaps she doesn't understand the dynamics of net modeling. Nevertheless she doesn't deserve to be attacked like that. She did nothing to warrant being insulted like that. You need to chill out.!

We have a off topic board for those who want to fight. Outside of that forum we expect a little more decency.

MM rule # 1

[1] Absolutely NO FLAMING OR NAME CALLING. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm. Please keep profanity and gratuitously inflammatory language to a minimum. Personal attacks will not be tolerated on ModelMayhem.com.

Craig Thomson wrote:

Semora wrote:
Lol that's a new name. I usually get something else. No it's not pathetic..lol most men in the PA area won't shoot men. Maybe i'm targeting a CERTAIN kind of male photographer..lol Leave Jesus out of it.

Then maybe start a new thread targeting the male photographers in PA and ones whose names are not jesus or christ.
If this thread was based on your perception of the industry as you see it and it's only validation is the answers you get from an online chat type environment, then this is nothing more then a high school project and we should all feel like guinea pigs from being subjected to the original question.
I’m at a loss for words after reading your profile. Are you a model or a pimp?
Maybe I’m past my prime when a profile reads like a livejournal page.

I’m not in the habit of releasing prints to anyone without editing them, that’s not what I’d refer to as professional image control.

[quote from profile]
Looking for photographers...wait let me rephrase. HOT photographers(NY, PA, DE). drop your price in the box

looking for two looks 1 sexy 1 creative. Want dramatic studio lighting... In a corner setting, I will come to your studio/the studio and stage my scene

I'm paying so i can get GOOD quality. MuST HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY! Don't need prints. Just Disk. No editing. Total of 100 images good and bad ones (sometimes i like the bad ones..natural) Full quality.

Must be able to zoom 200X before complete distoration..so how many MP camera is that?

OR

Test Shoot With 2 images with Donation of $30

Why did you ask the question? Wait, I really don’t want to know.

Well i am a pimp! LoL. maybe this is just fun and games to me. Maybe i am so serious about what i do so i get on line here and chat in mm's forums being i out grown all this other stuff like myspace. "Hey ma" no. I found a couple of photographers who liked that offer. And they are pretty good. So if you don't like it dont read it nor respond to it. I'm not a MODEL..because there are certain requirements to be called a MODEL(tall, thin, and a go getter in that field), but i do enjoy getting my pictures taken other than sears and Walmart (   that's funny) so i'll be shooting with those photographers in novermber two full shoots. $250 a crack. so there goes the $500 i made from my "ho" last night.  LIke a PIMP>...see guys..i TOLD you some will be offended..   awww..

Semora wrote:
DUDE that was too long.

Sorry, I am long winded but easy to get along with (unless I am having a bad hair day and that is a different matter).

Dan Hood MM/Moderator wrote:

Mr. Christopher,

She asked a legit question why so few photographers are interested in shooting men. Perhaps she doesn't understand the dynamics of net modeling. Nevertheless she doesn't deserve to be attacked like that. She did nothing to warrant being insulted like that. You need to chill out.!

We have a off topic board for those who want to fight. Outside of that forum we expect a little more decency.

MM rule # 1

[1] Absolutely NO FLAMING OR NAME CALLING. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm. Please keep profanity and gratuitously inflammatory language to a minimum. Personal attacks will not be tolerated on ModelMayhem.com.

Thank you. I just wanted to know what others thought and why they became a photographer and or why they only shoot woman..which the answer is soo obvious thanks to the forum. Thank you .

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
My problem has been finding male models who are not homophobs, oddly enough. I seem to find male models that I think would make great photographs then I talk to them and they tell me they do not pose for males.

wanna shoot me? i miss the other side of the lens

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

Sorry, I am long winded but easy to get along with (unless I am having a bad hair day and that is a different matter).

You just have a lot of good things to say. no shame in that. I get like that too, but i'm just enjoying this thread and others on mm. This site is my first time ever in a forum. I always thought they were boring. I did check out a few others and read through and the people on MM seem so tense. I know these fields are tense and frustrating to those who are making it there primary source of income, but you should try reading these threads a different way before assuming. That's the thing about online, you can't read how the words were meant. I try not to take anything personally because maybe that persons dog just died or wife just left them, so what goes on in MM stays in MM.

Benny wrote:
I have no problem posing with a male model, see


SWIIG Magazine, October 2004
Photographer: Phil Amato

lol..man your good. Nice shot.

Semora wrote:
I always wondered why there are so many men photographers that refuse to shoot men? Some reasons i thought of. Some, and i say some, become photographers (shooting woman not nature and that good stuff) because they can't get girls at first and used this to get girls, maybe because they were SHORT, nerdy, not as attractive, whatever(you will see in this thread who will be offended by that   )..but then discovered girls don't care..they just want their free pictures, then the guy gets good and just do it for extra cash. If you did it for the ladies..just say it! Who cares. the world wil still turn!

What made you pic up a camera. or why don't you shoot men?

Very biased argument... I actually prefer to shoot men since I'm working on the fashion side of photography and I have a much better knowledge of men’s fashion than women’s.
Plus I'd rather deal with an amateur male model than an amateur female model... Their much less prone at becoming upset. ...Plus you can bust their chops.

Semora wrote:

lol..man your good. Nice shot.

nah I am just a HAM, I was imaging I was pulling my GF's pants ... well now ex GF

Semora wrote:
I always wondered why there are so many men photographers that refuse to shoot men? Some reasons i thought of. Some, and i say some, become photographers (shooting woman not nature and that good stuff) because they can't get girls at first and used this to get girls, maybe because they were SHORT, nerdy, not as attractive, whatever(you will see in this thread who will be offended by that   )..but then discovered girls don't care..they just want their free pictures, then the guy gets good and just do it for extra cash. If you did it for the ladies..just say it! Who cares. the world wil still turn!

What made you pic up a camera. or why don't you shoot men?

I know. I know I'm late getting here. But....

You get chicks by being a photigrapher?
And, I've been single all this time?

Hell, somebody hand me a Canon 5D.
I can finally break this relentless rutt.

"Aww shut up. At least I'm honest."

Angelus wrote:
I know. I know I'm late getting here. But....

You get chicks by being a photigrapher?
And, I've been single all this time?

Hell, somebody hand me a Canon 5D.
I can finally break this relentless rutt.

"Aww shut up. At least I'm honest."

Finally someone was honest..lol I think it is one way to meet a potential someone. At least she would respect that your a photographer and wouldn't mind you shooting all the beautiful ladies...or would she want you to quit after her shoot..lol
okay okay i admit. I want to be a photographer not only because i love photography, feel as though the world is calling me, but so i can have an excuse to walk up to a very sexy male and say hey..intersted in modeling for me..lol 

Semora wrote:
Finally someone was honest..lol I think it is one way to meet a potential someone. At least she would respect that your a photographer and wouldn't mind you shooting all the beautiful ladies...or would she want you to quit after her shoot..lol
okay okay i admit. I want to be a photographer not only because i love photography, feel as though the world is calling me, but so i can have an excuse to walk up to a very sexy male and say hey..intersted in modeling for me..lol 

I'd model for you. You don't even need to have a camera. *wink*.

Wait....did I just say that out loud? Let me retract tthat and get back to you.

*walks away very slowly waiting hopefully for Semora to stop him and say "Wait! I want to"* haha.