Orias Bastet wrote:
ladies, im not only taling about clothing. dont be so close minded here.  ive modeled for small jewelry and craft makers.  Local businesses that want to put me in their hat for their websites etc.  Im asking to keep the stuff especially if they ship it to me like has happened before because normally they dont care, and its a bitch to ship back.  But for clothing it is possible to model something other than jeans whether thats your interests or not.  Modeling corsets is fun,  makeup,  belts,  etc.  the list goes on.  there is a small area where height actually matters, and normally its for bigger creators because they have many models and would like to make it easier on themselves and rather find models that meet certain measurements to save them the effort.  small businesses as i have stated is what im interested in,  because i feel it is important to back the little guys, rather than the ones that have gotten the taste of their own victory and grew spoiled over it.  small local designer normally alter things to fit, normally adapt the design to fit some cool ideas i have, and have yet to complain on my height.    Being a certain height and weight to model items is along the same archaic philosophy as ballerinas needing to be twiggy and tall because thats what is proper.  Im about self expression and freedom, you can have your world of restraint if you would like to.

Are any of your tear sheets on your MM portfolio>?

Orias Bastet wrote:
ladies, im not only talking about clothing. dont be so close minded here.  ive modeled for small jewelry and craft makers.  Local businesses that want to put me in their hat for their websites etc.  Im asking to keep the stuff especially if they ship it to me like has happened before because normally they dont care, and its a bitch to ship back.  But for clothing it is possible to model something other than jeans whether thats your interests or not.  Modeling corsets is fun,  makeup,  belts,  etc.  the list goes on.  there is a small area where height actually matters, and normally its for bigger creators because they have many models and would like to make it easier on themselves and rather find models that meet certain measurements to save them the effort.  small businesses as i have stated is what im interested in,  because i feel it is important to back the little guys, rather than the ones that have gotten the taste of their own victory and grew spoiled over it.  small local designer normally alter things to fit, normally adapt the design to fit some cool ideas i have, and have yet to complain on my height.    Being a certain height and weight to model items is along the same archaic philosophy as ballerinas needing to be twiggy and tall because thats what is proper.  Im about self expression and freedom, you can have your world of restraint if you would like to.

besides as i have stated im not seeking paid assignments.  so there is no pressure, its alot easier for the lollypop man to give you one of his many lollypops for helping him out than it is for him to get you a dollar.

Spoken like a true amateur. Reality will hit one of these days.
Even commercial models need to be a minimum of 5'6".
Well, good luck with that.

Orias Bastet wrote:
i mean this is not a job of mine,  i cant live off of free crayons obviously.  this is just fun.

Heee.
I didn't know crayons were magnetic until I saw all of the attention they were getting thread to thread.

Orias Bastet wrote:
lol commercial models,  im talking street corner mom and pop shops wanting to spiff up their websites with a cool logo of their product and theme.  not needing to fit stereotypical requirements to make it into the big time.  are you pissed off because youve got turned down for jobs,  or do you just think that youre the only one who knows anything in the business so you have to share the facts of fame?  perhaps you should look to people that are very successful and dont fit the standards,  hell it wont even require you to step out of your home,  you can check on here for profiles.

Me? Pissed off? Nah, life's too short.
Never said I "was the only one who knows something about this business" but I am a bit more qualified than you and have been doing this for quite a while.
Want to waste your time with modeling? Be my guest, won't hurt me.

Seems to me like you're the one who is "pissed off" because someone told you the truth.

Orias Bastet wrote:
oh yeah im pisses. im still laughing at your anorexic bikini picture honestly.  and 2 of my friends are also quite humored by your responses as of now.  i never said you dont have experience. in fact you have quite a bit and will probally go far.  its just ignorant to stereotype the entire world of modeling as having a specific body structure requirement.

Stereotyping? Right. You might want to get onto the industry itself for that, not me. My apologies that you find my body to be intimidating to you.

Just ask any other photographer/model on this board about your height and how far it would take you if you wanted to be professional with this.
There I am not wrong.

Orias Bastet wrote:
oh and i love your pink haired stove shot,  very retro and artistic.  i wanted to do some themed shots with old cars that had that type of feel.  like it was just pulled out of an ad from a 60's magazine.

Gracias. Regarding endorsements, free shit, or whatever this thread is about, I've gotten some freebies by going direct to the company. Vintage clothing, designer clothing, CDs, etc. by developing a rapport with the business owner/company representative and letting them know they'll benefit from letting me use or them giving me their crap. Never has anyone volunteered me anything over the web except Asian teen pr0n, best mortgage rates, and stretching my armstrong. I suspect they all wanted to sell something despite the words FREE! free! FrEe!

So slink into some store with your portfolio. Tell me them you'll credit them and/or bring the shit back. You'll find people, once they dig you, will let you keep shit. I wouldn't start out sticking them up, though but they choice is yours.

Retract claws before they get clipped. You have a mod hovering over your head.

Orias Bastet wrote:
yes i agree to make it big in the fashion industry you will have to make certain requirements everyone knows that,  and as i have said repetitively im not seeking advice on how to make it to professional status.

As long as you're aware and aren't out to get your hopes up only to have them smashed to bits later on someday. Seen it happen.

Orias Bastet wrote:
modeling for you= apparently competition and hostility.

Nah, hardly any hostility. You misread my tone. What I have said held no personal attacks on you as a person. I made a generalization about your height and the fact that you stated you wanted to model for designers. Point blank.

YOU are the one with hostility who took the initiative to call one of my photos "anorexic" and proceeded to try and belittle me as best you can with more immature sentences. Personal attacks show a loss of control, which I can see that you have mastered.

Orias Bastet wrote:
i have met many many professionals and none were so PMS ridden as you.

Well, welcome to the real world. Obviously you've just stepped outside.

megafunk wrote:
Two Floridians? Hm. This isn't some left over high school squabble? Well no face punching or hair pulling please. You're both too pretty for that.

Thanks
I'll be good, I promise

IsabelAurora wrote:
Just to explain: To some models, it is offensive when someone who is not serious about modelling expects to get work (in your case, to be able to advertise for a product/whatever and especially to expect to be able to keep the product afterwards) Most of us understand that no one will pay you (or most of the time even compensate you)  unless you have a few notches under your belt (No that doesn't mean you have to sleep with anyone *joking*).  But it just bothers most models who are truly seriuos about it that someone who lacks in devotion to it just comes along and expects what you were expecting.

Precisely!
Well said.

Orias Bastet wrote:
you look like this chick dancing at a local strip club a few weeks ago, her hip bones were so skeleton looking that emotional scar will stay with me forever.

Now I'm being compared to a stripper?
How funny .....

Orias Bastet wrote:
tear sheets?  i dont know what that is exactly.  the only things i have posted are always just my latest ramblings into my little life of modeling for a hobby.  so no i dont think i have a tear, up on here.   why whats up?

Tear sheets are the sheets from the ads/magazines/whatever that show the work you have done.  Like if you were in a magazine, you would get a copy of the page you were on to show that you are experienced....

They just prove that you have experience in advertising.

I know if I was a business or whatever and someone told me that they have done all this work with advertising that I would want to see proof...hence tear sheets

IsabelAurora wrote:
Ok to the OP: I see and understand what you are doing, but maybe it would be better for you to actually go out to the stores (privately owned ones) or look up the stylists (there is a browse) feature and contact them personally.  All you are going to attract here is a critique on your post (which I admit I kind of wanted to comment but I stayed back - well, until now of course ) 

Just to explain: To some models, it is offensive when someone who is not serious about modelling expects to get work (in your case, to be able to advertise for a product/whatever and especially to expect to be able to keep the product afterwards) Most of us understand that no one will pay you (or most of the time even compensate you)  unless you have a few notches under your belt (No that doesn't mean you have to sleep with anyone *joking*).  But it just bothers most models who are truly seriuos about it that someone who lacks in devotion to it just comes along and expects what you were expecting.

NOT BASHING!  Just trying to help you see why it got so testy in here

Yeah this sounds like "playa hating" to me.

OB is hustling for a gig.  Right or wrong she is trying.

Now I see the point that others are making in trying to give her advice, but that advice in not in sync with the game she is running with.

Hey if this works for her more power too her, but I have my doubts as many of you also have.  But who are we to judge that?  The beauty of the free market is that success can be measured by if the person is able to keep doing what they are doing.

OB, good luck to you (with "love" and not the sarcastic dismissive tone). I really hope you prove our doubts wrong.

rdmdc2000 wrote:

Yeah this sounds like "playa hating" to me.

Are you referring to what I said??

IsabelAurora wrote:

Are you referring to what I said??

No, to the thread in general.

OB is looking for gigs, everyone else seem to dismiss her idea as "amatuer" or "not professional" when it was never about that to begin with.

Orias Bastet wrote:
i never pretended to care about being a professional or getting paid paid.

Maybe you should've stated that from the beginning?

Orias Bastet wrote:
"To some models, it is offensive when someone who is not serious about modelling expects to get work "

-precisely-

so then i did offend you, and i apologize.  thats all you had to say.  im not trying to steal the spotlight from professionals, and im not advertising that i ever want to be one.  But thats all you had to say in the beginning.  and maybe i misread your tone, but crystal and matt (my roomies)  also misread it then.  so it wasnt only poor sarcastic me who has taken it that way. 

isabelaurora... i understand your meaning and i know where you're coming from in relation to other aspects of life.   But seriously you cant say she was giving constructive criticism?  you may see her side better since your a seasoned veteran as well, but to see my side..i didnt ask for models to come here and explain to me the way the real world functions.  i never pretended to care about being a professional or getting paid paid.  so in that i cant see how any reference i made should have started her ideas of me never making it anywhere in the real world based solely on my height and being flat out wrong about referring to fashion and advertising as being all restricted to taller women .  she could have said if i was expecting runway work, or publicity i could give up on that idea.  that would have made more sense to me.  it just seemed to me that she was talking about an area that she had no idea about, and even though she has the experience failed to see the rest of the world behind her little box.

Never was taking her side...simply explaining where I thought she was coming from.  Didn't offend me I could care less...I actually still have 2.5 hours of work left you got time? *lol*

I understand both of you! And she was not the only one to respond to you like that it just somehow turned to one on one.

But this is the internet so whatever...take it with a grain of salt and move on

And yoru friends don't need to get involeved...it's really not that serious

Why doesn't someone share a joke?

I'll start...this is my favorite

What did the hand say to the face??


You ready for this?

SLAP! haha kills me every time

Oh I guess it doesn't work as well on the internet

Orias Bastet wrote:
so wait i havent been in a magazine magazine,  so like would a copy of a club opening night flyer, and a  business card of their,  be considered similar to an ad in a magazine for a tear sheet?

hmmm I don't see why not...

tear sheets are what work you've done...

I always get a copy of the cover of the magazine and the page I am in...that's proof

I guess a flyer would be considered a tear sheet...woudl it be thread hijacking if I asked other's opinions on it?