ModelPrincess wrote:
I've had a paid offer, but am on here because I was unsure if I wanted to consider it. That's why I'm needing the different feedback.

Frankly if a photographer wants to pay you to photograph it I am not sure I would want him in the same room unless it's family. To far from normal for me.

William Kious wrote:

Was this shot REALLY necessary?  I was about to sit down to supper!

You just made my point.  (sorry 'bout ruining your supper)

DigitalCMH wrote:

I wouldn't say horrible.  If we were friends (I mean the real kind, not on-line buddies) wouldn't say anything bad or snicker behind your back.  It doesn't bother me in the least.

...but, it does seem like selling out for a buck.  If that makes sense.

am I above that?  I'll have to admit...no.  If TLC came up to me and wanted to video the event and my wife (future wife...I haven't tricked anyone yet) was ok with it and they were waving money in my face...I can't say that I'd say no.

Yes, TLC would be great, the birth of my daughter was video taped and it turned out so nice. I am re-thinking the delivery room photo's though. Maybe some nice mommy baby shots soon after.

ModelPrincess wrote:
You bet, but what do you guys think about my having the birth of the new baby photographed?  Is it a good or bad idea? and, would I charge a normal model rate?

I think part of the confusion is asking if it's a bad or good idea.  I don't even know what you mean by that. It's such a personal decision. Why would you want to? Just the money? 

If it's a money question, then it's as silly as all the should models pay, should photographers pay threads.  If you can get paid great, if not, too bad. If you want advice on this, I think you need to think it through further and ask something other than if it's a good or bad idea.

William Kious wrote:
First off, I think it's the most egotistical thing I've ever seen that you want the photographer to pay for the "privilege" of photographing the delivery.  That's the same as asking a photographer to pay to shoot a wedding.  Not to mention the fact that, for the photographer to be able to use the shots commercially, he/she would have to get releases from everyone in the delivery room (and permission from the hospital, for that matter.)

Second, how much access are you going to give the photographer!?!?  Do you want the photographer aiming a camera lens at your crotch while the baby comes out?  I've seen it - it's not a beautiful thing.  As Jeff Foxworthy says, "it's like a wet saint bernard coming in through the cat door".  Have you asked everyone else who will be present if they are okay with it?

Third, you will be a sweaty, gross mess (and likely in a terrible mood) so I doubt you'll want a complete stranger shooting angles during the delivery.  What if you change your mind after the fact?

Fourth, are you going to schedule your delivery?  How are you going to find a photographer that is going to be ready at a moments notice to dash to the delivery?

There are a lot of reasons you don't see professionally photographed births.

First, I am not being egotistical, it's an offer that was made to me. I'm not seeking someone out for this, it's a photographer who's shot me throughout the pregnancy.
The pictures would be owned by the both of us. The photographer wouldn't be shooting doctors or nurses, just myself and the baby, although my doctor is fine with it.

Second, just like a video birth, the photographer would have access to everything, whatever I feel is inappropriate, can be taken out later.

Third, how do you know what kind of mood I'll be in? have you been at one of my births before? I'll be sweaty, of course, but why is that gross? I'm delivering a baby.

Fourth, yes I have a scheduled delivery.

joe duerr wrote:
Frankly if a photographer wants to pay you to photograph it I am not sure I would want him in the same room unless it's family. To far from normal for me.

Not even if he was a family. I think this should be a good enough signal for you as to what that person is after. If someone is eager to pay you to be present at your delivery it could mean one of two things. He either wants to brag that " Ooo, I have photographed child birth" but doesn't realize the back side of it or he just developed a thing for a woman delivering baby and wants to get one step forward from fantasizing it. However taking into accont the fact that he's willing to pay for it the latter option seems more likely. Are you sure you want to have one of these present?

On a side note, I think we should give Princess a break cause there has been a number of us countering her statements while she was all by herself to reply to many.

Mark

JMX Photography wrote:
Split the difference.  Let one photog pay you to photograph your delivery (if you have one willing to pay) and turn around and use the funds to hire a pro.

He is a pro

ModelPrincess wrote:
Second, just like a video birth, the photographer would have access to everything, whatever I feel is inappropriate, can be taken out later.

If I pay for a shoot, the model gets absolutely ZERO say in what I use and what I "take out".  That's the whole point of paying for a shoot.  Due to the unpredictable nature of the shoot - and the fact that you want control over the shots - I say make it a TFP shoot with royalties on the shots that sell.  If you are really interested in capturing the moment, that should be a good arrangement.  If it's just a money issue, then if you can find a photographer willing to accept your terms, then good for you.

ModelPrincess wrote:
Third, how do you know what kind of mood I'll be in? have you been at one of my births before? I'll be sweaty, of course, but why is that gross? I'm delivering a baby.

I've been present at 4 births and not one woman was in a cheerful mood during the delivery.  If you are up for being on camera during the delivery, more power to you.

ModelPrincess wrote:
You bet, but what do you guys think about my having the birth of the new baby photographed?  Is it a good or bad idea? and, would I charge a normal model rate?

I haven't though it out a whole lot yet, so I thought to hear some pro's and con's from my peers, might sway me to do it, or not to........

You may not have the right to allow a photographer to photograph your child nude, even during childbirth. If you could figure out some way to not expose the child's privates, then you would be in the clear. (Check the new child porn laws)

BlacklistVisual wrote:
Holy shit.
Of all the retarded things I've seen on this site, this one may take the cake.
Someone's going to PAY for the "privelege" of photographing you giving birth?
What the fuck?
"These images could be worth a lot of money"?
To who, exactly?  You?  No one else cares.
Is there a fetish for this shit?
Are you gonna be wearing fishnets and 4 inch heels?  And squishing bugs?  With a ballgag? 
Seriously, chick.
Nobody gives a fuck.
And whoever is going to pay "a lot of money" to see some nobody (or some somebody, for that matter) pushing babies out their vagina, is a little more fucked than you'll want to deal with.
Because if it IS fetishists who would potentially buy this, do you want some backwoods fuck to be jerking off to your babies first moments in this world?
Fucked up...
Are you retarded?
I have to ask, because I'm not so sure.

Dude, I'm sorry, but that's uncalled for.  There are better ways to express oneself.

William Kious wrote:

Was this shot REALLY necessary?  I was about to sit down to supper!

I just ate...omfg. and I have 5 kids!! I didn't need that wake up.

Oliver Cole wrote:
What does the father of this baby have to say about the birth being photographed as a paid assignment for you?

Oliver Cole

Great point Oliver!!! 

Where's dad and what does the father say about his baby being photographed?

shabaka wrote:
Greetings,

My first reaction is that it not a good idea.  10 reactions later I still agree with my first reaction.

take care,

LOL

Best response on a message board ever.

mag-jr wrote:
I just dont get why someone would pay to photograph your delivery.  Most people pay for something of value to them. I work in pretty much every facit of the paid internet market and can tell you, there's not a market for delivery lol.

I think the biggest problem people have is this violates even the most relaxed moral one could have. Having a child IS supposed to be this great, beautiful thing. You're taking this awesome experience and cheapning it by saying you want to get paid for it. Basically, you're prostitiuting your child before they even get a chance to have a say in it.

Some of the comments in this thread made me laugh so hard, a little bit of pee came out. I should post on here and see if any photogs want to pay me to photograph me pissing my pants. (There IS a market for that in case people are wondering)

You know as freaky as that sounds, there must be a black market for some baby birth images ewwww...

Or are the mother and father saving them as keepsakes?

Gunfitr wrote:
And yeah, I'm about to get flamed by those who like to shoot pregnant girls for the "art" of it all.

Have you seen a baby being born before? If you have, you know that theres a HUGE difference between shooting a pregnant female and delivery. Amniotic fluid, blood, mucous and these are just the things off the top of my head. Wifes a nurse, I can have her post and give the technical differences between shooting art preg shots and delivery.

BlacklistVisual wrote:
Holy shit.
Of all the retarded things I've seen on this site, this one may take the cake.
Someone's going to PAY for the "privelege" of photographing you giving birth?
What the fuck?
"These images could be worth a lot of money"?
To who, exactly?  You?  No one else cares.
Is there a fetish for this shit?
Are you gonna be wearing fishnets and 4 inch heels?  And squishing bugs?  With a ballgag? 
Seriously, chick.
Nobody gives a fuck.
And whoever is going to pay "a lot of money" to see some nobody (or some somebody, for that matter) pushing babies out their vagina, is a little more fucked than you'll want to deal with.
Because if it IS fetishists who would potentially buy this, do you want some backwoods fuck to be jerking off to your babies first moments in this world?
Fucked up...
Are you retarded?
I have to ask, because I'm not so sure.

This is even more fucked up than the original post. I agree it's a bad idea, but it doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to insult her.

After reading everything here, I would suggest not allowing a photographer into the delivery room for payment or otherwise. Some shots of you and the baby afterwards would be priceless, but I don't think money should change hands, even if it's offered. I feel that a birth should be a private thing to be cherished by family and friends, not something used to make rent that month.

Oleg wrote:
Unbelievable how many sick minded immature people on this thread

Here is some examples of what one can shoot during delivery without getting sick - http://www.danheller.com/jacks-birth.html

I would go to such shoot in a heartbeat, as long as I am not forced to shoot the moment of delivery. I would not pay for this though, prints/cd in exchange to model released photos will work.

Nice shots. How did you manage to get Gene Hackman to be there? 

John Lavery wrote:

Nice shots. How did you manage to get Gene Hackman to be there? 

That's Dan Heller's shots, not mine

John Lavery wrote:

Nice shots. How did you manage to get Gene Hackman to be there? 

Haha, now I got what you mean

Oliver Cole wrote:
What does the father of this baby have to say about the birth being photographed as a paid assignment for you?

Oliver Cole

The father hasn't been involved in my pregnancy.

mag-jr wrote:
I just dont get why someone would pay to photograph your delivery.  Most people pay for something of value to them. I work in pretty much every facit of the paid internet market and can tell you, there's not a market for delivery lol.

I think the biggest problem people have is this violates even the most relaxed moral one could have. Having a child IS supposed to be this great, beautiful thing. You're taking this awesome experience and cheapning it by saying you want to get paid for it. Basically, you're prostitiuting your child before they even get a chance to have a say in it.

Some of the comments in this thread made me laugh so hard, a little bit of pee came out. I should post on here and see if any photogs want to pay me to photograph me pissing my pants. (There IS a market for that in case people are wondering)

I never looked at is a prostituting my child. If you read the rest of my comments, you would understand my angle a bit better. The fact is I am leaning toward not doing it. But not for the reason above.

mag-jr wrote:
I just dont get why someone would pay to photograph your delivery.  Most people pay for something of value to them. I work in pretty much every facit of the paid internet market and can tell you, there's not a market for delivery lol.

I think the biggest problem people have is this violates even the most relaxed moral one could have. Having a child IS supposed to be this great, beautiful thing. You're taking this awesome experience and cheapning it by saying you want to get paid for it. Basically, you're prostitiuting your child before they even get a chance to have a say in it.

Some of the comments in this thread made me laugh so hard, a little bit of pee came out. I should post on here and see if any photogs want to pay me to photograph me pissing my pants. (There IS a market for that in case people are wondering)

Oh, and I forgot to add, I'm glad that the comments are making you laugh. You're a very sensitive and understanding person.

Gunfitr wrote:
Yes, I have seen a baby being born, my own thank you.

I have an 8x10 crime scene photo of a mans testicles lying in the middle of the floor after another man cut them off and the victim almost bled to death.

I have seen crime scene photos of a woman tied to a barb wire fence who had her baby cut from her womb, strangled, and then stabbed to death before her eyes, before she herself was stabbed to death.

I have probably seen more vileness than you can imagine.

And part of that vileness is the understanding that there are some sick sick people in the world.

Her nonchalant attitude about why there is interest in her while she is pregnant shows a bit of naivette.

While I don't deny that some photographers may have an interest in shooting pregnant women and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, there is in fact a "pregnant fetish" and I'm not really sure the model comprehends that.

There's a difference between denial and ignorance.

Mark

I am not ignorant or naive, but I guess it does sound as if I am in this post. The person who shot me through the pregnancy, wanted to conclude the series with the birth. The question comes in, do we do it during delivery, and after? Or do we skip the delivery and just shoot my son and I after we've left the hospital. My photographer's not a sicko, but I do understand what everone is saying about who else will love these photo's.

Oleg wrote:
Unbelievable how many sick minded immature people on this thread

Here is some examples of what one can shoot during delivery without getting sick - http://www.danheller.com/jacks-birth.html

I would go to such shoot in a heartbeat, as long as I am not forced to shoot the moment of delivery. I would not pay for this though, prints/cd in exchange to model released photos will work.

Those are beautiful shots. And thank you, I do feel like I'm being attacked here. I just wanted some sound advice.