Jarvis wrote:
Can we put this on the home page here?

I was thinking the same thing! Instead of everyone always sending newbies to www.newmodels.com or whatever, we should start sending them to this Thread

The Peabo wrote:
I rarely ever rant or even get aggravated, but lately I have read lots of posts about what folks will or won't do for their chosen profession (modeling specifically).  I made a list of things that models (and photographers/actors/ etc)  face everyday. You have to learn to suck it up and go on for crying out loud, if you ever hope to "make it" in this business. Forgive me if I sound bee-yotch-y.  I am in doing EVERYTHING in my power to make it and get tired of hearing people whine while expecting others to do it for them.
Feel free to add to the list or debate a point.

1.  You do NOT need a manager!
2.  You do NOT need a portfolio to begin.
3.  Agencies LOVE snapshots of you against a PLAIN background.
4.  You WILL eventually have to cut, color, braid, whatever your hair. Get used to it.
5.  You WILL be asked to lose/gain/tone your body weight. Get used to  that.
6.  You WILL be stressed to the max.
7.  You WILL get hit on…lots…by men and women! You will be groped, felt up, made to feel uncomfortable…I KNOW THIS.  Be Prepared.
8.  You WILL eat lots of ramen noodles. Develop a taste for it.
9.  Chances are you WILL NOT be an overnight sensation.  Get used to sleeping on thefloor of  your buddies/bff’s/moms best friends uncles girlfriends floor.  Suck it up.
10. You WILL wait tables, mop floors, say “would you like fries with that” for a while...maybe a long while.
11. If you are 5’3” and 145 lbs, you WILL NOT do runway/fashion for a major market. Doen matter whether you are a guy or a girl.  That is just the way it is.
12. Most likely you WILL NOT get discovered at the Starbucks.  Get off your duff and get out to open calls.
13. You WILL PAY for a shoot at some point.  Agencies will most likely require you to shoot with one of their preferred photographers. And you WILL.
14. Please DO NOT expect to get paid for your 1st, 2nd, or 15th shoot unless you are
       A) exceptional B) willing to show boobies (ladies) or C) LUCKY.
15. Know that the LITTLE THINGS will follow you.  Be polite. Answer emails. Be professional. Don’t gossip.
16. You are NOT a professional just because you have done 3 TFP’s. Don’t put it on your port that you are. Other professionals will expect things from you that you may not know how to do yet. There is no shame in being NEW.
17. Saying NO politely is always an option. Flaming is NOT.
18. Being an editorial/fashion model is NOT the be all/end all. There is lots of money to be made and lots of fame to be gleaned from doing commercial/print/alt/fetish/etc modeling. Pick what suits your body type and desires.
19. You WILL be asked to “sex up” your portfolio, do nudes, implied nudes, or other things that may offend your sensibilities. Get used to it and refer to # 17.
20. You DO NOT tell an agency what you will or will not do. They WILL tell you what they want & you can make a decision that is right for you.  The agency MAY or MAY NOT decide to represent you at that point.
21. You WILL hear “NO” many, many times. Toughen up for it.
22. This is NOT a glamorous life. It is hard. Long hours, walking miles, subways, little sleep, loneliness, rude comments, and lots of “No thank you’s”, will be the norm.
23. People WILL think it is their constitutional right to judge you, tell you that you are fat/skinny/ugly/don’t look like a model. Expect it and try to develop a tough skin.
24. Things WILL bother you. You WILL want to cry/quit/jump off a bridge. Just cry, it is ok and doesn’t make you weak, just human. DO NOT, however, jump off a bridge. It won't help.
25. You WILL have to work with people that you loathe, are not attracted to, or who you think smells awful. Suck it up. You are a professional, this IS your job!
26. You WILL have to work out/eat right/take care of your body. Just do it already.
27. Water IS your friend.
28. Drugs are NOT.  However, they are easy to come by. Refer to # 17.
29. Remember, if you DO “make it”, you were once new. Act accordingly.
30. There is more than enough hate in the world. . LOVE yourself, your family, your friends. They WILL be there for you when the world stops cheering!
31. If you ask for critiques from anyone, expect the truth and LISTEN. Take what others tell you, apply what is needed & discard the rest. This will help you grow in your profession and in life.
32. Have FUN for this too shall pass.
33. Just because you “want this more than anything in the world” DOES NOT mean that it will happen for you. Give it your best but have a back-up just in case.
34. Just because you get signed by the biggest/best/prettiest agencies in the world, you CAN NOT expect to sit back and get rich and/or famous! You MUST still work/network/bust your butt to get ahead. Agencies sign lots of people. Not all of them “make it”. TRUTH.
35. You WILL be lied to/led on.  It is the nature of the business. SMILE.


Sorry if I offend anyone. This is just the way that I see it in the world I am living in right now...and I miss my mommy (sorry, just my whine for the day, we all get one, right?)
PEACE, LOVE, and PUPPIES:D
PEABO

Subtracting 4, 5, and 11 for myself.

But I'll add my favorite things that make this work:

1. Be at the designated meeting place before the model, who arrives and sees me standing around. Usually bored as hell and/or annoyed at something.

Like some woman hogging the pay phone Heidi_K said she'd call if things went awry.

2. Usually on a trip Ramen would be a blessing.

Back in June I had enough money to travel & pay Heidi..and buy a clif bar & a bottled water. Which is what I ate all day...I really got my ass kicked by heat exhaustion & dehydration.

3. On the flip side food may be plentiful, but would you want to eat it?

If there is food available, such as at the 30th Street Station in Philly. I have to decide between McDonalds or Gomez's Taco Puke as my best worst choice.

4. Getting to & from New York.

Awesome city, even better opportunities therein. Plus a grand total of six hours on an Amtrak train to & from Manhattan. I always get a sore neck riding the train that long. And many is the times I had to use the men's room as the train sways in one out of four different directions at random.

Kadi wrote:
Wow, this is the best thread I have read in my life!
I still have shivers...
It seemed like it was written from the bottom of the heart, with sincere best wishes to anyone who reads this.
I will print it out and read it every time I feel low.
Thank you!

And I miss my mommy too

Wanna come over and we can miss our mommies together???

hehehe!

Irene wrote:
I think I love you, marry me.

btw::I miss my mommy 3

Miss your mommy party!!!

Just Ariel wrote:
*throws self off a bridge*

Omg. Liar.

That totally helped.

LOL

Sabrina Maree wrote:
I love it. Lots of truth. Bottom line, to stay humble and work hard.

Much more concise than mine
Truth!

Teresa Noreen wrote:
Good rant!

I can't agree with 8, 9, & 10, at all.
But 35... I'd put that in the top three!

Peabo, are you granting permission to repost? Meh - maybe it's just easier to link to the post.

Yup, yup

The Peabo wrote:
I rarely ever rant or even get aggravated, but lately I have read lots of posts about what folks will or won't do for their chosen profession (modeling specifically).  I made a list of things that models (and photographers/actors/ etc)  face everyday. You have to learn to suck it up and go on for crying out loud, if you ever hope to "make it" in this business. Forgive me if I sound bee-yotch-y.  I am in doing EVERYTHING in my power to make it and get tired of hearing people whine while expecting others to do it for them.
Feel free to add to the list or debate a point.

1.  You do NOT need a manager!
2.  You do NOT need a portfolio to begin.
3.  Agencies LOVE snapshots of you against a PLAIN background.
4.  You WILL eventually have to cut, color, braid, whatever your hair. Get used to it.
5.  You WILL be asked to lose/gain/tone your body weight. Get used to  that.
6.  You WILL be stressed to the max.
7.  You WILL get hit on…lots…by men and women! You will be groped, felt up, made to feel uncomfortable…I KNOW THIS.  Be Prepared.
8.  You WILL eat lots of ramen noodles. Develop a taste for it.
9.  Chances are you WILL NOT be an overnight sensation.  Get used to sleeping on thefloor of  your buddies/bff’s/moms best friends uncles girlfriends floor.  Suck it up.
10. You WILL wait tables, mop floors, say “would you like fries with that” for a while...maybe a long while.
11. If you are 5’3” and 145 lbs, you WILL NOT do runway/fashion for a major market. Doen matter whether you are a guy or a girl.  That is just the way it is.
12. Most likely you WILL NOT get discovered at the Starbucks.  Get off your duff and get out to open calls.
13. You WILL PAY for a shoot at some point.  Agencies will most likely require you to shoot with one of their preferred photographers. And you WILL.
14. Please DO NOT expect to get paid for your 1st, 2nd, or 15th shoot unless you are
       A) exceptional B) willing to show boobies (ladies) or C) LUCKY.
15. Know that the LITTLE THINGS will follow you.  Be polite. Answer emails. Be professional. Don’t gossip.
16. You are NOT a professional just because you have done 3 TFP’s. Don’t put it on your port that you are. Other professionals will expect things from you that you may not know how to do yet. There is no shame in being NEW.
17. Saying NO politely is always an option. Flaming is NOT.
18. Being an editorial/fashion model is NOT the be all/end all. There is lots of money to be made and lots of fame to be gleaned from doing commercial/print/alt/fetish/etc modeling. Pick what suits your body type and desires.
19. You WILL be asked to “sex up” your portfolio, do nudes, implied nudes, or other things that may offend your sensibilities. Get used to it and refer to # 17.
20. You DO NOT tell an agency what you will or will not do. They WILL tell you what they want & you can make a decision that is right for you.  The agency MAY or MAY NOT decide to represent you at that point.
21. You WILL hear “NO” many, many times. Toughen up for it.
22. This is NOT a glamorous life. It is hard. Long hours, walking miles, subways, little sleep, loneliness, rude comments, and lots of “No thank you’s”, will be the norm.
23. People WILL think it is their constitutional right to judge you, tell you that you are fat/skinny/ugly/don’t look like a model. Expect it and try to develop a tough skin.
24. Things WILL bother you. You WILL want to cry/quit/jump off a bridge. Just cry, it is ok and doesn’t make you weak, just human. DO NOT, however, jump off a bridge. It won't help.
25. You WILL have to work with people that you loathe, are not attracted to, or who you think smells awful. Suck it up. You are a professional, this IS your job!
26. You WILL have to work out/eat right/take care of your body. Just do it already.
27. Water IS your friend.
28. Drugs are NOT.  However, they are easy to come by. Refer to # 17.
29. Remember, if you DO “make it”, you were once new. Act accordingly.
30. There is more than enough hate in the world. . LOVE yourself, your family, your friends. They WILL be there for you when the world stops cheering!
31. If you ask for critiques from anyone, expect the truth and LISTEN. Take what others tell you, apply what is needed & discard the rest. This will help you grow in your profession and in life.
32. Have FUN for this too shall pass.
33. Just because you “want this more than anything in the world” DOES NOT mean that it will happen for you. Give it your best but have a back-up just in case.
34. Just because you get signed by the biggest/best/prettiest agencies in the world, you CAN NOT expect to sit back and get rich and/or famous! You MUST still work/network/bust your butt to get ahead. Agencies sign lots of people. Not all of them “make it”. TRUTH.
35. You WILL be lied to/led on.  It is the nature of the business. SMILE.


Sorry if I offend anyone. This is just the way that I see it in the world I am living in right now...and I miss my mommy (sorry, just my whine for the day, we all get one, right?)
PEACE, LOVE, and PUPPIES:D
PEABO

This is what a lot of "models" and model wannabe's need, particularly on this site: a cold hard dose of reality.  Sadly, most will continue to hide in the quagmire of their own fantasies and unrealistic world views!

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

The Peabo wrote:
7.  You WILL get hit on…lots…by men and women!

PEACE, LOVE, and PUPPIES:D
PEABO

JAY carreon wrote:

This is what a lot of "models" and model wannabe's need, particularly on this site: a cold hard dose of reality.  Sadly, most will continue to hide in the quagmire of their own fantasies and unrealistic world views!

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

models. gigidy.

The Peabo wrote:
7. You will be groped, felt up, made to feel uncomfortable…I KNOW THIS.  Be Prepared.

No no no.

A lot of your advice was good but this lets you so badly down.  Don't advise anyone to stand for that kind of thing or try to normalise it in an industry where photographers who shoot nude and fetish can have a bad enough reputation through ignorance or poor judgement as it is.

Being made to feel uncomfortable or humiliated is not a simply standard and acceptable part of the modelling experience.  If it has been your personal experience then you need to start asking questions about the people you've so far had the misfortune to work with.

KATHY   JEAN wrote:
Excellent, Peabo.  Excellent.


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On a side note:  sexual harrassment is prevalent in modeling as it is in other professions and jobs.  It is part of the territory.

It doesn't have to be. Belittlement and humiliation makes for very poor work relations, in any industry.

Peabo's #17 applies in these cases. Draw the line, make a stand, but don't be a jackass about it.

Lula Robins wrote:

No no no.

A lot of your advice was good but this lets you so badly down.  Don't advise anyone to stand for that kind of thing or try to normalise it in an industry where photographers who shoot nude and fetish can have a bad enough reputation through ignorance or poor judgement as it is.

Being made to feel uncomfortable or humiliated is not a simply standard and acceptable part of the modelling experience.  If it has been your personal experience then you need to start asking questions about the people you've so far had the misfortune to work with.

Oh no, I did not mean you had to stand for it...so yes apply rule # 17 to that as well.  I have been ummmm...hit on...big time by a very well known person with excellent references!  I did immediately tell the appropriate person (no not my mom...lol) and was told that I shoulda popped that person in the mouth!  I just wanted folks to KNOW that it happened and to be prepared.  NEVER accept anything that you are uncomfortable with.

jhameia wrote:

It doesn't have to be. Belittlement and humiliation makes for very poor work relations, in any industry.

Peabo's #17 applies in these cases. Draw the line, make a stand, but don't be a jackass about it.

Thank you...# 17 applies to every day life as well...you really do NOT have to be a jerk to say NO...unless you have said NO several times and are ignored...then, well we all have our breaking point!

Dhaniel wrote:
Awesome post Peabo!
It sorta reminds me of the old proverb "The Rules For Being Human"
But - "shoot Son, you's growed up quick!"

I think you have to in this business
How are you?

The Peabo wrote:
27. Water IS your friend.

YES it is. Freezing cold water from the water hose outside is not though. Although you've got to admit, it makes for a really great shot.



=]

Low Tek Photography wrote:

YES it is. Freezing cold water from the water hose outside is not though. Although you've got to admit, it makes for a really great shot.



=]

BUT...I had really hot girls sitting in the baby pool making waves...it warmed up nicely