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ever gotten arrested or ticketed during a shoot?
ever gotten arrested or ticketed during an on location shoot? just wondering cause i just found out that it's illegal to take photos at train stations around LA. i guess you need a permit, even though it's public property. Dec 01 05 12:52 pm Link hey there. i once got a ticket at the indianapolis museum of art,for defacing public property. the pix is on my site. the model is sitting in some kind of gound cover with flowers. that pix cost me $300. Dec 01 05 01:10 pm Link JeffMendoza wrote: I think there is a lot of confusion over permits and even more over what constitututes a commercial shoot. Usually, these two topics go together as permits are normally only applicable to commercial shoots. I would suspect that what a lot of us do here falls in the grey area, thus more potential for misunderstanding. Dec 01 05 01:10 pm Link Heck yes....city of Oceanside Californina Police, told me to leave the pier unless i had 1 million dollars of liability insurance naming "city of Oceanside" as beneficiary. Did seveal cataloge shoots where we dressed the models and drove in a van....stopping at vintage cars or boats in the harbor to make a five minute location pic, assuming that it was in public so no property release was needed. Sept told four times in one moring in Minneapolis to get out....see www.pbase.com/techpan2415 click on minneapolis.....i had to shoot from the hip as you might notice. I can see if I set up scrims and reflector stands etc...should Sally and Johnny trip on them...so it's reasonable to just "leave" when told to, as you will never resolve an excuse for blocking the public. Just be a rebel when it is safe to everyone around. Use common sense. Bob J Dec 01 05 01:10 pm Link Yea, same with BART in San Francisco. I was âpolitelyâ? asked to put my cameras away by a BART police officer during a recent lifestyle shoot, then referred to their press and media department to receive proper clearance to shoot in or around their property. The frick'n bastards want a $150.00 media processing fee plus a $2Mill umbrella insurance policy naming them and all of their locations, and then most photographers get denied, but you won't get your money back..... total scam! Screw that noise Brothers. I say sneak in your gear, tuck it under a bag and shoot when the coast is clear. My next shoot on a transit, I'll have 2 decoys set up on each side of me. Hey, if ya can't beat 'em, screw'em  Dec 01 05 01:14 pm Link The closest I got to a ticket was during a shoot with Lauren (10975). We were shooting on some sided railroad cars but the spur happened to be behind police headquarters out here...ooops. A little conversation, my press credientials and letting the cop check the images got me out of problems (but actually I think Laurens' smile did the trick)  Dec 01 05 01:21 pm Link Back when I did videography for import car scene, we'd get tons of tickets (hanging cameras off of car rigging without a permit on open road). But that didn't stop us. :p Dec 01 05 01:23 pm Link C R Photography wrote: As long as what is done is not obviously dangerous or offensive, I'm with you! We should not all be little sheeple and take this lying down. Dec 01 05 01:26 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Would you like thousands of Nazi sympathizers shouting Seig Heil outside of your house for their photo album? They'd be on public property. Presumably, you wouldn't like the association or people wondering how they got permission from you to shoot, ergo the fundamental right of property owners controlling who uses their property. Dec 01 05 01:30 pm Link I was doing a shoot in Orange California a few weeks back and as we were setting up a police officer approached us. He asked what we were doing and when I explained what was going on he stayed in the area to watch. Which turned out to be a good thing because of some of the homeless who were sleeping in the park. I don't know if the city required any permits, but I have been able to do shoots without any permits and in a couple of other occassions have had the police when they drive by stay in the area. Since I'm not doing any outdoor nudes it fine and offers not only me by my models a sense of security. Our tax dollars at work. Dec 01 05 01:32 pm Link utako omori wrote: A totally ridiculous comparison! Dec 01 05 01:36 pm Link JeffMendoza wrote: Train stations, and tracks, are private property, most of the time. The railroads own them and the tracks, and property around the tracks, even though a lot of public money was used to build them. Dec 01 05 01:37 pm Link nick latino wrote: That raises a good point. In some cases, what law enforcement may fear is a "circus" situation, such as homeless men "wolf whistling" your model. This may be some of the rationale behind concerns over impeding the public, etc. Dec 01 05 01:39 pm Link Usualy sombody owns the property then if its not owned by someone then the state has jurisdiction over it usualy. Every place i have done shoots outside i planned ahead and found out who owned the property and where or how i can contact those people and i never had a problem with permits. The most i paid for a permit was $25 and that covered 3 days i might have been there. I only had to pay for two locations though, the rest had no problem with it since i was not doing commercial photos for those. Dec 01 05 01:40 pm Link it sometimes depends on the cops themselves first off permits if its on goverment property (city/state) owned you need a permit. such as parks/beaches/train stations/etc city streets only if your in an area that has regualr modeling and movie biz-ness california/miami/nyc are the main places if your doing them for personal use my portfolio//im a art student at" " has a tendency to work with most cops.if your doing nudes outdoors even worse. i know i have done them.i evaded a few.most are kewl with it due to the model being a hottie, they stand an watch most of the times , but once or twice they ahve warned us to move on. train stations//goverment is due to 9/11 before it was 1/2 an 1/2 but now more thatn ever they are tighting down. Dec 01 05 01:41 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: You should not have needed lawyers for that. All you had to do was play stupid and ask where the signs were that said you "Could Not" take photos in the area. Most places that do not allow photos are pretty high profile with all kinds of signs that it is not allowed or you need permission ect. Dec 01 05 01:43 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: These are the types of stories that really chaff me! Didn't "Ranger Rick" have anything better to do? I suppose someone drove by with a booming car stereo or was doing something else genuinely annoying, and they were not ticketed! Dec 01 05 01:44 pm Link Myself, a few models and a makeup person were ran out of a park in Cleveland a few years ago. We were doing a fashion shoot, and some "soccer mom" told a park ranger we were shooting nudes, and of course we weren't. Deputy dog especially got on my ass because I was from Montgomery county Ohio, and I was in Cuyoga (sp) County. He was 6'4" and packing so I got my butt out of there. Dec 01 05 01:47 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Thats kinda funny though...unless he walked in the back door he must have walked in the fron tentrance with this camera and tripod, must have passed at least one ranger somewhere between the entrance and where he was taking photos. Then out of the blue after he sets up and probably been there 1/2 hour, a ranger walks up and hands him a ticket? Dec 01 05 01:50 pm Link Eric Jackson wrote: I heard other stories just like this. It's always a woman, usually a mom who complains! Dec 01 05 01:50 pm Link rp_photo wrote: LOL Thats because her husband and son's are standing there staring at the model...... "Yes dear...were coming.....these birds are real interesting...be right there..." LMAO Dec 01 05 01:53 pm Link Used to get "up against the car" about one out of four shoots. Never ticked or arrested. Cops would call in my DL then warn me about some vague kind of danger, without telling me I couldn't really be there shooting. So I kept shooting. Security guards were fun. They'd watch, as a shoot was probably the biggest excitement they'd ever have in their careers. -Don Dec 01 05 01:57 pm Link C R Photography wrote: I have plans to do a bart shoot eventually. Late at night, of course. I am also looking into what their slow days usually are. Local buses are pretty easy to shoot on. The ones here in town are often empty. They are a college campus run bus system and the drivers are students who don`t really care as long as you are not bothering anyone. Dec 01 05 02:00 pm Link This one got me a lecture from a refinery security guard. Part of his truck can be seen at the far right, brake lights on and getting ready to turn around and swoop in on me. This was taken from a public street corner in Artesia, New Mexico. Ironically, I was in town to work at that refinery. The guard already knew me! Dec 01 05 02:01 pm Link JeffMendoza wrote: No but I have used handcuffs from time to time Dec 01 05 02:02 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: I guess I am lucky. We have one of the old original pacific railroad stops here in town which is mainly now an Amtrak stop. I have shot on their tracks several times and sometimes inside the station itself because it has the original old look to it in the waiting area with old benches and such. I think I have gotten away with it because it is usually little old men who run the station and sell the tickets at the counters and they are suckers for a pretty girl. So they watch and smile. Dec 01 05 02:04 pm Link I've been in the same situation as everyone else, esp when you want to shoot in a city park, and you have to pay Insurance AND workmans comp to anyone within your shooting area, but whats the real kicker is that everytime I have shot fully clothed models in any location, when Im contacted They allege I was shooting nudes the whole day............Whats up with that?? Now Im more subversive and carry less lighting for the shoot..................... Dec 01 05 02:06 pm Link Gosh, this should tickle MANY in my area who love to try and 'hammer' me on my shooting style. Lets start with your inital question for this post, "Ever gotten arrested or ticketed during an on location shoot?" My answer is a simple no, not 1 or the other. Now, have I been asked to leave various locations, of course. However, every single person I've shot, has been made aware of the locations before shooting. If they're not comfortable or prefer not to shoot at the location, they have plenty of say to decline. All I will state is know you're local laws. Several here in my area feel that these tatics are unprofessional or GWC'ish.. My opinion is simple, it's done by many, in many locations. I feel it's done simple to avoid the often 'cookie cutter' look/feel that studios tend to get into after time. For those in Washington State, this might be of some use http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.52.090.. Dec 01 05 02:11 pm Link First, City, State and National Parks do NOT "Belong to everyone". They belong to the City / State / Nation. If they belonged to everyone, then you could build a house on them and live there etc.... You as a citizen are given access to said park by the owner (city etc...) as long as you follow the rules that are established there. I know of several parks that do not allow "Commercial" photography, mainly because they are afraid that if they let one in, then they have to let all in and sooner or later, the public would not be able to walk anywhere because the place would be full of photographers / cameras / equipment etc... (I know that seems like a proposterous thing, but, it has happened before in parks (like Central Park) where because of the attraction, a whole area was nothing more than photogs etc.... Most park rangers though, at elast ones I have dealt with, have no problem if you go up to them in advance, tell them what you are doing and why you are doing it, where it will be, how long you will be etc.... There is a Campground / Park here that is near a power plant. There are tons of signs saying explicitly that photography is prohibited. We told the ranger that we were interested in shooting pictures for archival purposes and to help promote the event we were doing, and that we would ensure that none of them showed the power plant. He said no problem go right ahead. It is all about communications....... Dec 01 05 02:33 pm Link Peter Dattolo wrote: What was bad was that I had published a poster on the Smoky MT National Park in 1983 for their 1984 50th anniversity. (1934-84) This made it hard to claim GWC status. Dec 01 05 03:16 pm Link This is a fun post. I've had a few run-ins since I shoot mostly location, and tend to go places I shouldn't (because IMO that's where the great shots are - abandoned warehouses, decrepid areas). Once, a model and I were ticketed $275 each in a Texas park, not for shooting nudes, but because a ranger saw her changing between shots (and theoretically, so could some mother with children - he actually pointed to where they could have hypothetically been spying in the bushes). At a university a model and I walked onto the grounds of the power plant (there were no "no trespassing" signs and the gates were open). While we were shooting on the catwalk between roofs a cop and the GM of the power plant shouted for us to "get the hell off his building". After providing creditials and a five minute explanation of what we were doing, the GM got friendly and offered to let us shoot there and in the Haz Mat building as long as I scheduled ahead of time with him. Another time I was shooting with a model and a cop stopped to ask what we were doing. After explaining, he said, "Do you know where you are?" Evidently, I was in the Hell's Kitchen of Dallas, shooting around a number of known (except to me) crack houses. He stayed until we were finished to make sure nothing happened to us. Usually, when confronted by property owners or police, after explaining, most will nod approval or give a time limit (e.g., be out in 15 minutes). The times we're told to leave, we do so and move onto the next "place we shouldn't be". Dec 01 05 03:44 pm Link Some bridges and other sites that may be targets for terrorists have restrictions on photography. Dec 01 05 05:31 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: YEA RANGER RICK got me and 1 model and 1 photographer in the SMOKEY MOUNTAINS about 5-6 years ago. They hit me up for $125 and the model got a $75 ticket which paid cause she was working for me. The other photog also paid $75. Dec 01 05 05:52 pm Link generally in most major cities, you legally need a permit to shoot anywhere. And you considered a professional if you own a real camera or not a torusit or student. Its pretty dumb. But i just shoot gorillia, i have actually done full bondage suspension with girls in chicago, and never had a problem, so i do not care about. I did want to look into see how much a permite was, just so i could say the city of chicago gave me a permit to tie up chicks! ==B) Dec 01 05 06:03 pm Link Also a couple of things I have noticed. Ranger Rick out west is a lot nicer than that Ranger Rick on the east coast. Ranger Rick is White Sands NM or Organ Pipe Cactus, Joshua Tree all seem to be so laid back. If they see you they just tend to tell you to move farther away from the road. Not any big deal if they see the model naked or not. Just keep them away from the roads and TOURISTS. Cop. They HAVE TO ACT on a complaint. If some soccer mom bitches at them about you shooting nudes then yes they have to act on that complaint. If he walks up on you then he is free to whatever. Look and watch, throw you out, tell you never to come back, or give you a ticket. It just depends. bs Dec 01 05 06:05 pm Link I hung out around a train tunnel and bridge in Martinez, California for two days, for several hours each, to get this shot and a bunch of others: I kept wondering if I would be questioned, but had no problems. Dec 01 05 06:13 pm Link bobby sargent wrote: Yes, but they can do the right thing by telling you to not worry about it and then humoring the soccer mom! Dec 01 05 06:14 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Well I guess it all depends on the cop, how irate the soccer mon is and what and where you are at. Dec 01 05 06:33 pm Link JeffMendoza wrote: I have been aproached and question by police. Once along a highway where I pulled over to get some scenic shots. The cop was nice and just wanted to see what I was up to. Dec 01 05 06:44 pm Link Ha Ha, About 8 months ago my crew and I almost got arrest, but I think since we were a all female crew they let us off..... We did a shoot in the Houston medical center on the metro lightrail terminal, first of all we didnt know that it was against the law to shoot near public transportation, thanks to 9/11. About 5 transit officers drove up asking us a 101 questions about what we were doing and what the shoot was for and also searched my camera bag and the mua's makeup bag. They feed us a bunch of bs saying that its against the law and that for all they knew we would be terrorist.....OK lets look at this picture, we got a model in a afro wig, and four other blk women on the set, im not trying to say blk women cant be terrorist (LMAO) but lets get real, so after flirting with them a lil bit they told us to hurry up and wrap up the shoot. By the way heres a picture from that shoot with the train in the back....lol  Dec 01 05 06:47 pm Link |
