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Farenell Photography

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Albany, New York, US

Why do I have serious doubts that the iPod (or headphones for that matter) is the root cause of his hearing problems?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_ … _townshend

Jan 04 06 10:54 am Link

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Christopher Hartman

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Buena Park, California, US

Did you really read the story?  He didn't blame the iPod.  He blames extended use of studio headphones.  Ear specialists have seemingly always been against putting anything in your ears especially noise producing products.  My brother's hearing has always a bit off and he used head phones a lot.  But he also used drugs...so who knows.

Jan 04 06 11:00 am Link

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Farenell Photography

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Albany, New York, US

DigitalCMH wrote:
Did you really read the story?  He didn't blame the iPod.  He blames extended use of studio headphones.  Ear specialists have seemingly always been against putting anything in your ears especially noise producing products.  My brother's hearing has always a bit off and he used head phones a lot.  But he also used drugs...so who knows.

Hence me adding "headphones for that matter" in my initial post.

Jan 04 06 11:02 am Link

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wirehead arts

Posts: 273

Sunnyvale, California, US

It's not iPods, it's that people are being far too cavalier about their hearing and won't realize how dumb they were being until they are 50-60.

That people now have cranked up volume on their iPods feeding earbuds and listening for 8+ hours a day, that's going to make people lose hearing faster.

Jan 04 06 11:04 am Link

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Glamour Boulevard

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Sacramento, California, US

It has also been noted that there has been a substantial increase in hearing loss problems since the release of the sony walkman and other head phone based portable radios. There are times when I am sitting on a public bus full of people and can hear the music on someones ipod on the other end of the bus so clearly I have caught myself singin along.

Jan 04 06 11:06 am Link

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theda

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New York, New York, US

Yep. Loud noise damages your hearingover time.  The more concentrated and louder, the more you screw up your hearing.  I'm like an old lady I'm so quiet. I can hear the TV on mute.

Jan 04 06 01:05 pm Link

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Lens N Light

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Bradford, Vermont, US

What's that? Come again? Whoops!

Jan 04 06 01:21 pm Link

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IABN

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Brooklyn, New York, US

the iPod is only causing the death of social interaction in public areas.

Jan 04 06 01:41 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

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Danbury, Connecticut, US

theda wrote:
I can hear the TV on mute.

I can't hear it, but I certainly enjoy it more on mute.

Jan 04 06 02:06 pm Link

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Joe Koz

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Lititz, Pennsylvania, US

wirehead arts wrote:
It's not iPods, it's that people are being far too cavalier about their hearing and won't realize how dumb they were being until they are 50-60.

That people now have cranked up volume on their iPods feeding earbuds and listening for 8+ hours a day, that's going to make people lose hearing faster.

You got that right! I spent 15 years playing in bar bands, standing in front of cranked up amps ... and I can testify that nothing can replace the missing high end. My slim consolation whenever I hear someone with their car system cranked up to ear bleed levels you can literally hear in the next block is knowing they'll pay for it.

(Nope, I can't hear 'em clearly ... but I can feel the bass.)

Jan 04 06 02:16 pm Link

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theda

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New York, New York, US

Nate Boguszewski wrote:
the iPod is only causing the death of social interaction in public areas.

All hail the ipod!

Jan 04 06 02:26 pm Link

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IABN

Posts: 394

Brooklyn, New York, US

theda wrote:
All hail the ipod!

yeaarrrgh.

Jan 04 06 04:46 pm Link

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Star

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Los Angeles, California, US

I wait for the day we podcast street musicians inside the subways. Killing all non studio endorsed music forever,

Star

Jan 04 06 04:58 pm Link

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Rick Edwards

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Wilmington, Delaware, US

I remember reading a study that said if you could hear a walkman (old study) from across a subway car while the subway was moving, the moron (I mean listener) was playing it at approximately 115 to 120 dB.  120 dB is the threshold of pain and any prolonged exposure over 100 dB would cause long term damage.

Jan 04 06 10:02 pm Link

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Angelo Lorenzo

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Simi Valley, California, US

Rick Edwards wrote:
I remember reading a study that said if you could hear a walkman (old study) from across a subway car while the subway was moving, the moron (I mean listener) was playing it at approximately 115 to 120 dB.  120 dB is the threshold of pain and any prolonged exposure over 100 dB would cause long term damage.

I'm a musician and it's actually prolonged exposure to anything louder that 85db that will damage your hearing over time. 85db is a good volume conversation if you're standing next to someone. Our hearing is really only designed to cope with conversation (thats why we're most sensitive to the frequencies that speech occurs in)

Jan 04 06 10:35 pm Link

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The Don Mon

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Ocala, Florida, US

i didnt hear you ...what?

Jan 04 06 10:40 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

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Taunton, Massachusetts, US

I know my hearing is screwed up... mainly due to my junior high/high school years I'd be mowing the lawn with my walkman cranked to 10....  And with being at certain metal shows  taking photos I'm practically up against the speakers.. so I'm sure that isn't helping too much.. even with ear plugs... I get this ringing every now & then.. and alot of times I do have to have some repeat what the say as I miss it the first time..

Jan 04 06 11:05 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

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Taunton, Massachusetts, US

Brian Diaz wrote:

I can't hear it, but I certainly enjoy it more on mute.

especially during any mtv programming.. mute is great... wish  i could put the mute on when i'm at my friend's place so i don't have to listen to half those crappy reality shows... egad..

Jan 04 06 11:07 pm Link

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Angelo Lorenzo

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Simi Valley, California, US

Phil Kimpton wrote:
I know my hearing is screwed up... mainly due to my junior high/high school years I'd be mowing the lawn with my walkman cranked to 10....  And with being at certain metal shows  taking photos I'm practically up against the speakers.. so I'm sure that isn't helping too much.. even with ear plugs... I get this ringing every now & then.. and alot of times I do have to have some repeat what the say as I miss it the first time..

you should get a good pair of earplugs if you shoot shows alot. Musician earplugs just cut intensity, not the quality of sound. They're $120-200 but worth it.

Jan 04 06 11:08 pm Link

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Rick Edwards

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Wilmington, Delaware, US

Angelo Lorenzo  wrote:

I'm a musician and it's actually prolonged exposure to anything louder that 85db that will damage your hearing over time. 85db is a good volume conversation if you're standing next to someone. Our hearing is really only designed to cope with conversation (thats why we're most sensitive to the frequencies that speech occurs in)

told you it's been a while since I read the report, I'm sure your numbers are more accurate

Jan 04 06 11:11 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

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Taunton, Massachusetts, US

Joe Kozlowski wrote:

You got that right! I spent 15 years playing in bar bands, standing in front of cranked up amps ... and I can testify that nothing can replace the missing high end. My slim consolation whenever I hear someone with their car system cranked up to ear bleed levels you can literally hear in the next block is knowing they'll pay for it.

(Nope, I can't hear 'em clearly ... but I can feel the bass.)

Every summer I get them driving down the street.. bass cranked to earbleed.. vibrating the entire house.. at 3am no less... wtf!

That and once at a mall I was leaving it heading back to my car in the parking garage.. I heard this really low bass that was hurting my ears unbelievably.. I looked around while covering my ears.. and saw these 3 or 4 17/18 yr old punks.. driving a souped up car with stereo cranked.. flashing lights all over.. driving by setting off everyones car alarms with the vibration from the bass... They drove by me laughing.. I gave them all the middle finger salute.. figured yelling at them woulda been pointless.. Wish I had a rock handy to toss at their windshelt now... LOL

Jan 04 06 11:11 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

Posts: 1844

Taunton, Massachusetts, US

Angelo Lorenzo  wrote:

you should get a good pair of earplugs if you shoot shows alot. Musician earplugs just cut intensity, not the quality of sound. They're $120-200 but worth it.

Cool I'll look into them.. thanks for the tip.. I've seen some photographer at shows with like the hearing protectors that you'd see people in airport landing strips wear...  Probably a good idea.. but he looks funny as he's got such a small scrawny head.. LOL

Jan 04 06 11:13 pm Link

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Justin N Lane

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Brooklyn, New York, US

Nate Boguszewski wrote:
the iPod is only causing the death of social interaction in public areas.

...and on a crowded subway at 8 am it's an absolute GODSEND wink

wait, wait, what's that?  I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

Jan 04 06 11:17 pm Link

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R. Olson (RO)

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Seattle, Washington, US

Ipod causes hearing loss? Geez whats next, the world isnt flat?

Jan 04 06 11:20 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

Posts: 1844

Taunton, Massachusetts, US

No it's not flat.. your vision is failing you.. wink

Jan 04 06 11:22 pm Link

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R. Olson (RO)

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Seattle, Washington, US

Phil Kimpton wrote:
No it's not flat.. your vision is failing you.. wink

Hey it isnt my fault I dont have extended warranty on this body.....lol

Jan 04 06 11:23 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

Posts: 1844

Taunton, Massachusetts, US

R. Olson (RO) wrote:

Hey it isnt my fault I dont have extended warranty on this body.....lol

Neither do I.. and I'm in horrible shape, bad ankle, bad knee occassional kinks here and there.. I need an overhaul.. .. ... I'm thinking when I finally get good money from the lottery or something.. I'll go the route or cybernetics then I'll have both the regular warranty (with maximum plan) then the extended warranty....

Jan 04 06 11:29 pm Link

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R. Olson (RO)

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Seattle, Washington, US

Phil Kimpton wrote:

Neither do I.. and I'm in horrible shape, bad ankle, bad knee occassional kinks here and there.. I need an overhaul.. .. ... I'm thinking when I finally get good money from the lottery or something.. I'll go the route or cybernetics then I'll have both the regular warranty (with maximum plan) then the extended warranty....

Ah cybernetics. The sixty dollar man..... lol

Jan 04 06 11:34 pm Link

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Phil Kimpton

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Taunton, Massachusetts, US

I'll go for the cyborg look like in Teen Titans or something... wink

Jan 04 06 11:35 pm Link

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nish 24

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Dallas, Texas, US

I try not to put too much noise makers near my ears, I'm lucky I still have hearing with the sheer amount of black metal shows I've been to / and or was singing in.

ear plugs have become my freinds.

Jan 05 06 05:21 am Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18832

Albany, New York, US

I posted it because my original thinking was that the concert speakers that are 10+ feet high had more to do w/ his hearing loss than the iPod/headphones did.

Who knows though? *shrugs shoulders*

Jan 05 06 10:44 pm Link